Wat To Go U.S. Navy Seals

[kspops]

A better Idea would be to stop all traffic threw the area for a week, Then let the Navies have some live fire exercises in the area. After it is clear, put a blockade on the Somalia coast and anything that comes out gets a Coast Guard safety check before going to the Open seas. If they are armed, They go to the Pirate Lock-up, or to see the other Somalia naval boats (on the bottom of the sea)
and don't give the Seals that hard of time, A local story about one that had his "therapy" dog killed by some gang bangers had a chance to put o 9mm into each, but instead, called the police and then followed them for like 75 + miles to make sure they were captured. I will try to get a link posted when I get home.
The Guy wrote the book 'the lone Survivor'.

 

[rslinger]

how stupid could the hijackers be. Yeah the Navy can hook a tow line on us and pull us to calmer water. Um you mean get a better shot? It's good it is over though and the captin is alright. I bet they think twice before they try an American vessel again. Well maybe not they can't be to smart i guess.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013

 

[kspops]

Here is the story about the Navy Seal and his dog,
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6365427.html
The Dog was to help him with surviving a pretty bad ordeal, and some punks kill it for kicks.

 

[reefraff]

The Military should start a rentasolidier program. A couple armed soldiers on a US flagged ship should be enough to keep the pirates away. Let the military turn a profit for a change.

 

[miaheatlvr]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3017755
The Military should start a rentasolidier program. A couple armed soldiers on a US flagged ship should be enough to keep the pirates away. Let the military turn a profit for a change.
Excellent Idea, Instead of Blackwater!

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3017755
The Military should start a rentasolidier program. A couple armed soldiers on a US flagged ship should be enough to keep the pirates away. Let the military turn a profit for a change.
Actually I would expand on that. I have seen a decline in the attitudes towards people and country in general since the draft was killed and stopped. I believe each person should serve their country in one form or fashion...many other european countries do this and it brings about a sense of nationalism and pride in their country and the things they do.
So with that said, Obama wants a mandatory volunteer program to serve the country in a fashion...I actually agree with this, depending on what it is. If it were me.......
I would crate a new branch of military like the coast guard...only instead these are military trained armed guards on these cargo ships. They are fitted with weapons, the ships are fitted with portable guns, and manned by these "troops".
There you go, no fear of joining a "war" you don't believe is right. You protect U.S. goods from pirates or others such entities. Therefore your mind is clear when your tour is over.
This helps out in many ways, one, it would be a job obviously so thus add to the economy in that manner. 2, insurance agencies wouldn't be able to charge these companies so much since the odds of lossing goods to theft would be minimized, thus cost of goods would go down. and finally....we handle the problem ourselves without having to ask for help from other countries to do this.
seriously, why do we need international aid and assistance to protect our own boats...are we that incompetant as a nation?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3017755
The Military should start a rentasolidier program. A couple armed soldiers on a US flagged ship should be enough to keep the pirates away. Let the military turn a profit for a change.
I wouldnt support this.Its not the job of the military to be rented out for profit.That would just make our military ,mercenarys. Companys like Blackwater aka mercenary are well suited for this type of work.
The profit we get from our Military now is Liberty from their blood ,sweat,and tears.I wouldnt dare ask them to sacrifice anymore then what they do now.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3017822
Actually I would expand on that. I have seen a decline in the attitudes towards people and country in general since the draft was killed and stopped. I believe each person should serve their country in one form or fashion...many other european countries do this and it brings about a sense of nationalism and pride in their country and the things they do.
So with that said, Obama wants a mandatory volunteer program to serve the country in a fashion...I actually agree with this, depending on what it is. If it were me.......
I would crate a new branch of military like the coast guard...only instead these are military trained armed guards on these cargo ships. They are fitted with weapons, the ships are fitted with portable guns, and manned by these "troops".
There you go, no fear of joining a "war" you don't believe is right. You protect U.S. goods from pirates or others such entities. Therefore your mind is clear when your tour is over.
This helps out in many ways, one, it would be a job obviously so thus add to the economy in that manner. 2, insurance agencies wouldn't be able to charge these companies so much since the odds of lossing goods to theft would be minimized, thus cost of goods would go down. and finally....we handle the problem ourselves without having to ask for help from other countries to do this.
seriously, why do we need international aid and assistance to protect our own boats...are we that incompetant as a nation?
I would really be careful on what you wish for.
Your talking about instating a Draft. Mandatory/required....
Im in favor of volunteerism like our military but when we start throwing the words mandatory/required like in the Give Act,Little bits of liberty start going out the window.
When Americans are truly needed this country has never had a shortage of volunteers in what ever area they are needed.

 

[wattsupdoc]

Mandatory volunteer? OMG.....What a load of crap that is. I do believe we should all do our part. But that term is just another political term for draft. Which I'm not totally against necessarily, but a actual volunteer program is much better.
The only way to stop the pirating is to stop the activity that is going on in Somalia. Hence one reason we need help from our "friends".

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Rslinger
http:///forum/post/3017398
how stupid could the hijackers be. Yeah the Navy can hook a tow line on us and pull us to calmer water. Um you mean get a better shot? It's good it is over though and the captin is alright. I bet they think twice before they try an American vessel again. Well maybe not they can't be to smart i guess.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013
It was kind of like hunting a lion tied to a tree lol

 

[frightmare]

You miss the bigger picture, the company's that own the ships know that there is a chance there ship will be taken, but it cost to much to go around. So they send there crew into danger to save a buck. Why should the navy have to foot the bill to protect them? Hold the company's responsible for the safety of there crews. Just a thought.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3017945
I wouldnt support this.Its not the job of the military to be rented out for profit.That would just make our military ,mercenarys. Companys like Blackwater aka mercenary are well suited for this type of work.
The profit we get from our Military now is Liberty from their blood ,sweat,and tears.I wouldnt dare ask them to sacrifice anymore then what they do now.
Whats wrong with the government doing something smart for a change?
Blackwater charges a lot of money for their expertise most of which was learned in the US military anyway. The advantage of using active duty military people is you have the weight of the US government behind them. Blackwater may or may not be able to call in reserves in the case of a well organized attack but they sure as heck can't call in the Navy or other branch of the military. Knowing there are US military personnel aboard is a pretty good deterrent.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3018058
Whats wrong with the government doing something smart for a change?
Blackwater charges a lot of money for their expertise most of which was learned in the US military anyway. The advantage of using active duty military people is you have the weight of the US government behind them. Blackwater may or may not be able to call in reserves in the case of a well organized attack but they sure as heck can't call in the Navy or other branch of the military. Knowing there are US military personnel aboard is a pretty good deterrent.
Its more of the federal government intervening where it shouldnt. These shipping company's are private enterprises quite capable of funding their own security forces let alone putting US Military personnel in harms way for money.
I believe Blackwater or some of the other private armies out there are quite capable of plinking Somalian Ducks in a barrel.
Its not like these pirate are an organized army,they are bands of criminals.Now if it turns out that these pirates are terrorists linked to Al Qaeda then that changes things.
As things are now im not in favor of turning the US Military into a police force payed for by private company's.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/3016415
Geri you are full of it.. Obama is a pure weak appeasing coward and doesn't go to take a wizz without Rahm Emanuel telling him its time..
The worst far left appeasing democratic President since Carter.
This was also stated on THIS WEEK with George Stapanopuolis that Obama will maintain a wait and see attitude and leave it do the admirals...
Actually, Rahm has to type it into the teleprompter first. It is the teleprompter Obama follows.

 

[ironeagle2006]

Here is a beter idea Arms the ships without putting the crews in the direct line of fire so to speak. There is a 7.62 minigun that can be remotely operated. Most Cargo ships have at most 2 points of Entry into the aft areas were the Crew is housed called reinforce those areas were they can not be opened easily then put a remote Minigun outside those doors. Only turn it on when going thru pirate infested wateers control it from the Bridge via remote hook ups give each gun 20K in rounds and if anyone that is not supposed to be there gets close let her sing. For tankers since they are worried about them going boom on their own you could switch over to a low velocity round that will still penatrate armor however at 20 feet is not going to hurt the ship they are out there.

 

[tang master]

Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3016362
Three cheers! I also want to tip my hat to our Commander in Chief. I really didn't think he had the backbone to allow it. He also deserves our congratulations.
the president had nothing to do with that decision

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3018267
Its more of the federal government intervening where it shouldnt. These shipping company's are private enterprises quite capable of funding their own security forces let alone putting US Military personnel in harms way for money.
I believe Blackwater or some of the other private armies out there are quite capable of plinking Somalian Ducks in a barrel.
Its not like these pirate are an organized army,they are bands of criminals.Now if it turns out that these pirates are terrorists linked to Al Qaeda then that changes things.
As things are now im not in favor of turning the US Military into a police force payed for by private company's.
Any ship flying the US flag has the right to expect our military to defend them. Why not be proactive about?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3018468
Any ship flying the US flag has the right to expect our military to defend them. Why not be proactive about?
I agree that US flagged ships have the right to be defended by the US Navy,I just think its not in the best interest of the country to sell our nations militarys services when it can be done by private security services or by the private company's themselves ,just like they dont police our streets against criminals..Its are militarys duty to protect and defend the USA, thats it.

 

[uneverno]

With the exception of this ship, are we not talking largely about companies who flag their ships in Liberia, Costa Rica, the Phillipines, etc. in order to avoid US taxes?
Why should the US taxpayer supported Navy help them? (An additional force doesn't help the economy in the least. It would cost the taxpayer, which has the exact opposite effect on the economy.) The shipping companies ought to be buying their own security. I can't believe it would add more to the cost of goods to put a few Soldiers of Fortune on a ship than it costs to ransom it or lose it altogether.
More Capitalism for the poor and Socialism for the rich...

 

[wattsupdoc]

Treat the disease, not the symptoms....I say we kick the hell out of that country, then install a government we like.

No more piracy....