water in a bucket

trigger40

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hello,

i have all my fish in my qt trying to fight ich. the tank has been cycled but i have found my self in a situation wher i needed to do a water change and hade no water ready. so my question is can i keep a seald bucket of water with the salinaty mached to the qt and keep it ther with no circulation and have it not go bad. i want to do this so when my qt goes bad bad i can have water ready to be put in.

thank you.
 

beaslbob

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Quote:Originally Posted by trigger40 http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542680
hello,

i have all my fish in my qt trying to fight ich. the tank has been cycled but i have found my self in a situation wher i needed to do a water change and hade no water ready. so my question is can i keep a seald bucket of water with the salinaty mached to the qt and keep it ther with no circulation and have it not go bad. i want to do this so when my qt goes bad bad i can have water ready to be put in.

thank you.

I would just forgo the water change until you get replacement water.
my .02
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by trigger40 http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542680
hello,

i have all my fish in my qt trying to fight ich. the tank has been cycled but i have found my self in a situation wher i needed to do a water change and hade no water ready. so my question is can i keep a seald bucket of water with the salinaty mached to the qt and keep it ther with no circulation and have it not go bad. i want to do this so when my qt goes bad bad i can have water ready to be put in.

thank you.

Hi,

You need the water container open for gas exchange...you can cover it with a cloth or towel. A plastic garbage can (mark it fish only) works great..... Use a little power head to churn the water and make it move, or use an air line. The water needs to move, and it needs oxygen or it will go stagnant and become unusable. Macoalgae will help keep the QT stable, they feed on the ammonia and other nasty stuff, keeping the water parameters pristine.
 

trigger40

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thank you flower.


i have about a 3 and a half gallon bucket with a towel over it and a punie filter in it just to keep the water moving. i know its not a power head it can get me by, i hope.
 

geridoc

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I keep a 30 gallon garbage can full of salt water for a month at a time with no problem. I use a spare water pump for circulation, and the heat from the pump keeps the water at about 75 degrees, so any time I need it the water is ready to go. As long as the container is open to air exchange, but sufficiently covered to prevent airborne junk from falling into it it will be fine.
 

trigger40

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i tried doing a towel to cover it up but it just got soaked becues it keept falling in. so i put the top on with a crack just big enough for the wire to fit through. will that be ok
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by trigger40 http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542798
i tried doing a towel to cover it up but it just got soaked becues it keept falling in. so i put the top on with a crack just big enough for the wire to fit through. will that be ok


I would say you need more air then that....a simple wood blank 2X4 across the top in the center of your container to keep the towel from falling in is all you need, or get some egg crate...the more air the better. I'm sure the small crack is good enough as long as you have an airline running keep the water moving.
 

pegasus

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Just remember to check the salinity if it sits very long before you use it, and adjust as needed. Also.. if the water hasn't been aerated, it's a good idea to agitate (and aerate) the water for a few moments to be sure there is O2/CO2 equilibrium. Without having a power head, churning with a big spoon will suffice. And then there's temperature... lol!
 

trigger40

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thank you but i ended up having to scrach my qt for the most part. the water got so bad that all the water changes in the world wouldnt help it so i picked my two favorite fish and keept them in the qt and threw every one back in too the ick infested tank. my lfs would not hold them for me. so i had to pick the ones that live and the ones that didnt. it was eather most go down or all. the ones in the dt are fine but who knows how long that will last. i hope some of them make it.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by trigger40 http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542872
thank you but i ended up having to scrach my qt for the most part. the water got so bad that all the water changes in the world wouldnt help it so i picked my two favorite fish and keept them in the qt and threw every one back in too the ick infested tank. my lfs would not hold them for me. so i had to pick the ones that live and the ones that didnt. it was eather most go down or all. the ones in the dt are fine but who knows how long that will last. i hope some of them make it.


Hi,

The moment you remove your two favs from the QT to the display, they will be re-exposed to ich...so why hold the two back? Maybe you can remove your rocks to tubs with s SW and a power head, all inverts can just be tossed in, they won't care that there is no light....and do hypo on the display to be rid of the ich. Sponges from the filter will help to keep the parameters in check, but the rock being removed will also allow ammonia to build up since that's where the good bacteria is growing...emergency water changes are the only hope of keeping things from crashing...QT or display.
 

pegasus

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http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php Treatment option #4. I would do it in the QT with all the fish. Without hosts and a slightly elevated temperature, the Ick will die in the DT in a few days.

  • Tomont Stage: The parasite forms a membrane and attaches itself to the substrate in the tank whether it is sand, rock, and/or glass. The parasite then reproduces and proceeds to the next stage. The time that this stage in the life cycle can last a few days to almost a month depending on the temperature of the water. The warmer accepted end of temperature of a saltwater aquarium would increase reproduction rate and vice-versa, in terms of the colder accepted temperature.
    Theront Stage: The parasite then hatches and begins to swim through the water column in search of fish to attach to. It only has a limited time of up to 72 hours to find a host or else perish.
 

trigger40

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542898

Hi,

The moment you remove your two favs from the QT to the display, they will be re-exposed to ich...so why hold the two back? Maybe you can remove your rocks to tubs with s SW and a power head, all inverts can just be tossed in, they won't care that there is no light....and do hypo on the display to be rid of the ich. Sponges from the filter will help to keep the parameters in check, but the rock being removed will also allow ammonia to build up since that's where the good bacteria is growing...emergency water changes are the only hope of keeping things from crashing...QT or display.
yea thats a great idea. it will be tough getting the sand out though. and on a good note the fish have been doing well. but will the sponge be enough bio filtration. most of my filtration is my live rock and the qt just hade to many fish in it. the water would go bad evry 6 to 12 hours. it became to much and the water was getting way to bad so i hade to do something. and that was my solutio. wasent a good one but i was in a bad situation.
 

pegasus

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I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner, but I had an outbreak of Ick, followed by Velvet. I found a miracle treatment, and I dosed the DT. I didn't lose anything, and no inverts or corals were affected, either. I'd love to tear my cabinet apart to try to find the bottle, but it's 1:00 am, and my wife wouldn't appreciate the noise at this time. I'll do my best to locate it and post the name of it on here later on in the day.
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by trigger40 http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542902
yea thats a great idea. it will be tough getting the sand out though. and on a good note the fish have been doing well. but will the sponge be enough bio filtration. most of my filtration is my live rock and the qt just hade to many fish in it. the water would go bad evry 6 to 12 hours. it became to much and the water was getting way to bad so i hade to do something. and that was my solutio. wasent a good one but i was in a bad situation.


Hi,

I don't think you have to remove your sand for hypo, but double check on that....as for Pegasus and the miracle cure????? I'm waiting to see what he came up with, but I doubt such a thing really exists.
 

pegasus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542923


Hi,

I don't think you have to remove your sand for hypo, but double check on that....as for Pegasus and the miracle cure????? I'm waiting to see what he came up with, but I doubt such a thing really exists.
No, you don't have to remove sand, or rocks to treat ich/ick. As for the miracle cure? Yes... it does exist. I used it about a year ago, and it cured the ick outbreak in my DT in two days of treatment. Hypo will work for mild to moderate cases, but my case was extreme. My wife and I are tearing our house apart at this very moment trying to locate it. I'll be back as soon as I find it.
 

trigger40

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i was gona by something like that from my lfs yesterday but i didnt trust it. the owner even told me he wouldnt trust it. but if pegasus used it and said it worked its worth the try.
 

trigger40

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Originally Posted by Pegasus http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket#post_3542933
Okay, trigger40... I found the miracle cure that I mentioned earlier. I used it, and it worked perfectly. Be prepared for sticker shock, as it is very expensive. On the other hand, how much do you have invested in all of those fish, and how much will it cost to replace them? Here's the web site:

http://nosickfish.com/products.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=37&category_id=27
i have about $200 worth of fish right know. but all the fish in the DT are fine as of right now, i thought they would be coverd by now.
 

pegasus

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I don't know if LFS's sell No Sick Fish, but if they do, it would make it easier to get it quickly. There are lots of treatments on the market, and most are copper and/or malachite based. Copper is dangerous, and must be monitored VERY closely. Too little, and it's not effective. Too much and you kill your fish. Cannot be used in the DT. QT needs to have no sand or rock, as the copper will absorb into them, making them un-usable in the future. Malachite is a poison, which if used correctly will kill the free-swimming stage of Ick. The downside is... it's poison. Many wild fish are captured by being poisoned with Cyanide, which renders them unconscious. This greatly decreases their lifespan, and to poison them again in the tank is just downright cruel. Copper and poison destroy the fish's liver. No Sick Fish is a much better alternative, and the only one that I would use. I am not familiar with these other natural, herbal, or whatever they want to call them... so I can't say how well or how safe they are. I do know from first-hand experience that NSF works, and it didn't affect anything in my DT. Most of what I read about "reef-safe" treatments say that snails are not safe. I have hundreds of snails, and as far as I know, every one survived my treatment of NSF. I was very skeptical until I called and talked to Tyler, and he assured me that it had been extensively tested in reef aquariums, and they had not lost anything... ever. I'm like, yeah... right. Turns out I had the same success. No losses, but 100% Ick cure. I also had to make an emergency purchase for velvet. Once the Ick passed, I had an outbreak of velvet. Guess where I turned. NSF. I treated for velvet, and in a few days, it was gone. My coral beauty angel had it the worst, and still bears the ugly scars on it's head nearly a year later. I nick-named him "Scarface".
 
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