water in a bucket

[geridoc]

This stuff seems to perfectly fit the description of "scam". It purports to cure everything with absolutely no published proof, and nowhere is there an ingredient list. Pegasus-if it is effective, why did velvet break out after it "cured" ich? I would expect it to wipe out both in a single treatment. You are right about copper, you have to measure carefully; malachite green is a poor choice for ich. But you ignored hypo and metronidazole, both proven and published effective treatments. Look in the diseases forum at the thousands of posts about supposed miracle cures. The only thing they cure is the poverty of the manufacturer.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket/20#post_3542938
This stuff seems to perfectly fit the description of "scam". It purports to cure everything with absolutely no published proof, and nowhere is there an ingredient list. Pegasus-if it is effective, why did velvet break out after it "cured" ich? I would expect it to wipe out both in a single treatment. You are right about copper, you have to measure carefully; malachite green is a poor choice for ich. But you ignored hypo and metronidazole, both proven and published effective treatments. Look in the diseases forum at the thousands of posts about supposed miracle cures. The only thing they cure is the poverty of the manufacturer.


Hi....just one thing...don't ever treat the display with copper, hypo is fine to do in a display tank, but not copper.

 

[trigger40]

my angel still has scars on him from last week. the stuf that i saw was called ick kick. it clamed to be reef safe but i didnt want to test that out on my hermits. ther is still no singns of ick in my tank. do you think i have beat it. also the advise i got for the bucket is working well for rhe fish in my qt. and i read beth's article on hypo and it says no deep sand bed and my sand bed is about 3'' deep. is that too deep?

 

[pegasus]

Yes, GeriDoc, I was very suspicious about the lack of evidence to back up the claims of No Sick Fish. I was at the end of my rope and was getting pretty desperate. I was about to lose all my fish, and like trigger40, my QT wasn't big enough to hold all my fish. I didn't want to pick and choose who got to live and who had to die, so I took a gamble. It paid off. I don't know why one solution didn't cure both Ick and Velvet, but I do know the treatment for each was successful. As I mentioned before, it scarred my coral beauty very badly, but he pulled through and is still going strong after nearly a year. This is him today...

 

[trigger40]

WOW. poor little guy. at least he is happy now.

 

[pegasus]

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Originally Posted by trigger40 http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket/20#post_3542943
ther is still no singns of ick in my tank. do you think i have beat it.
If there are signs of ick on any fish that is in, or has been in that tank, then the odds are that ick is still present. It may be in the tomonts stage, the reproduction stage. This happens after the mature trophonts (white specks) fall off the fish. They settle in the substrate and rock, and start to spilt apart into tomites, which are the early stages of theronts. Theronts are the infectious, free swimming stage of ick. Once they find a host, they will again become trophonts. This can take days or weeks to happen, depending on the environment and stage. Unless they are on the fish as trophonts, you will have no way of knowing if Ick is still in the tank. Even fish that appear to be healthy can carry Ick in their gills almost indefinitely, so it's hard to say if and when Ick is "beaten". This is where Skunk Cleaner Shrimp come in handy. They will clean Ick from the body, mouth, and gills of infected fish... as well as any other parasites.

The only reason I haven't promoted the hypo method is because it is going to be a long process. To safely perform hypo, you have to gradually reduce salinity, and even more slowly raise it at the end of the treatment period. It sounded to me like it was in the critical stages and you were about to start losing your livestock. I offered a quick solution. What worked for me may not work for you, or anyone else. This can be said for any available treatment... medical or technique. Hypo is a time-tested and proven method to rid the tank of Ick. If time allows for this method, then by all means, use it. I don't like chemicals, and whenever possible, I use the safest, most natural method possible. If that doesn't work, I always try to have a "Plan B"... lol!

 

[trigger40]

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Originally Posted by Pegasus http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket/20#post_3542959
If there are signs of ick on any fish that is in, or has been in that tank, then the odds are that ick is still present. It may be in the tomonts stage, the reproduction stage. This happens after the mature trophonts (white specks) fall off the fish. They settle in the substrate and rock, and start to spilt apart into tomites, which are the early stages of theronts. Theronts are the infectious, free swimming stage of ick. Once they find a host, they will again become trophonts. This can take days or weeks to happen, depending on the environment and stage. Unless they are on the fish as trophonts, you will have no way of knowing if Ick is still in the tank. Even fish that appear to be healthy can carry Ick in their gills almost indefinitely, so it's hard to say if and when Ick is "beaten". This is where Skunk Cleaner Shrimp come in handy. They will clean Ick from the body, mouth, and gills of infected fish... as well as any other parasites.

The only reason I haven't promoted the hypo method is because it is going to be a long process. To safely perform hypo, you have to gradually reduce salinity, and even more slowly raise it at the end of the treatment period. It sounded to me like it was in the critical stages and you were about to start losing your livestock. I offered a quick solution. What worked for me may not work for you, or anyone else. This can be said for any available treatment... medical or technique. Hypo is a time-tested and proven method to rid the tank of Ick. If time allows for this method, then by all means, use it. I don't like chemicals, and whenever possible, I use the safest, most natural method possible. If that doesn't work, I always try to have a "Plan B"... lol!
if the ick comes back i think i will try that stuff.

 

[pegasus]

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Originally Posted by trigger40 http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket/20#post_3542958
WOW. poor little guy. at least he is happy now.
He sure is. It was hard to get that picture because he hardly ever stays still. He constantly darts in and out of the rocks, but I finally caught him pausing for one second. He's the only one who was scarred from velvet, but the other fish in my tank all had it too. The Ick was bad enough, and just when I thought everything was okay... BAM... the velvet hit. I thought I was about to lose everything. Trust me, I know how you feel. It will be a huge relief once this passes. I just hope you can get through without any loss.

 

[trigger40]

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Originally Posted by Pegasus http:///t/397473/water-in-a-bucket/20#post_3542961
He sure is. It was hard to get that picture because he hardly ever stays still. He constantly darts in and out of the rocks, but I finally caught him pausing for one second. He's the only one who was scarred from velvet, but the other fish in my tank all had it too. The Ick was bad enough, and just when I thought everything was okay... BAM... the velvet hit. I thought I was about to lose everything. Trust me, I know how you feel. It will be a huge relief once this passes. I just hope you can get through without any loss.
i know how you fell about getting your fish to stay still. when i first tried to take a picture of the ick on my emporator angel it took for ever. i finaly got the picture when he was turning around. but sadly the emporator had to go in the DT. he had a better shot in ther than in the qt. i just couldent get the water quality under control so i hade to get him out of ther. ther have been no sings of ick in the DT for about a week. I HOPE THEY ALL MAKE IT.