water movement

booya

Member
In my tank I am disappointed in the amount of water movement I have in my tank. I have 2 aqua clear power heads (wish I would have got different ones) that pump just under 400 GPH, but they do not fill that they are putting out that much pressure. I was wondering if I could put a power filter on the tank for added water movement. I think that I would leave the carbon filters out and just use it as extra water movement. I want to use this because I have one sitting at home that has hardly ever been used so I thought that this might be a good use for it.
 

oregonbud

Member
I know what you mean on the aquaclears - they aren't very efficient from my experience, I have a 55 with an emperor 400 (had two aqualclear 3000's) and I wasn't happy with the movement either, I switched the aquaclears to maxijet900's and am very happy now. I do run carbon in my powerfilter to keep the water more clean, but as was stated earlier its not necessary.
 

booya

Member
I heard that carbon took some good things out of your water. I don't know what, but that is the reason I don't think that I am going to us the carbon. If I am wrong please correct me because my water could use some cleaning.
 

oregonbud

Member
Well you learn something new everyday - your post made me curious since I had not heard any negatives on carbon - I found this -I stole from another site(not other message board) - link provided on request,no author listed.
"How Often Should Carbon be Used?
The two main concerns about using carbon in a saltwater system is that carbon often leaches phosphate into the aquarium, and that it removes necessary trace elements needed by reef animals, particularly corals.
The Phosphate Leaching Issue
As far as phosphate goes, you want to remove this element from your tank, not add it. A high phosphate accumulation in saltwater aquariums can lead to aggressive hair algae blooms that are difficult to get rid of, and since some brands of carbon may leach phosphate into an aquarium, you should test the carbon you are using, or going to use, for leaching. If you find any relevent traces, change to a different brand.
The Trace Element Absortion Issue
There has been an ongoing controversy amongst aquarist for years if you should use carbon continuously, just when needed, or even at all. The trend leans towards using carbon only when there is really a reason its use is warranted, because a healthy system, particulary one that has an adequate protein skimmer installed should not require it. Richard Harker's iodide absorption test results lead him to conclude that, "the use of carbon has minimal impact on iodide concentrations and that passive use of carbon has no lesser affect on iodide levels than active use." Our conclusion here is that if you decide to use GAC on a continuous basis and are concerned about the possible loss of trace elements, add some trace element supplements in conjunction with the activated carbon, as well as bypass the water flow through the carbon for a short period of time before and after supplements have been added to allow it to be absorbed by the reef life and not the carbon."
Both scenarios make a lot of sense to me (especially the phosphate) I was having a terrible time with cyano outbreak - after reading that and realizing I changed my carbon and the cyano started, I would be willing to bet the brand carbon I was using was leaching phosphates. Anyway thats the info I found, hope to help.
 

booya

Member
Thanks that article helped. I think I will see if I can find some carbon with no PO4. I was wondering if you know how to get PO4 out of your tank if it is bad???
Thanks again for the info
Jake
:D
 
I use carbon in 1 of my emperor 400's and thought i'd add to this topic. The info regarding phosphate is very true....however, there is a brand of carbon called Black Diamond which is ZERO phosphate. The way phosphate leeches from your carbon is that alot of carbon has a percentage of moisture in it. Black Diamond has 0% moisture and I have never had any phosphate problems by using it....just my random added thought :)
 

jp0379

Member
I have two powerheads and a powerfilter........seems to work well for me. I put the carbon filter back in for two days once a month............all my levels test great, so I think its working, at least for me!
 

booya

Member
So i could use the carbon every now and again and be fine as long as I don't use it all of the time. That will be a big help for me to keep my water a little cleaner.
 

booya

Member
Sound good thanks the help, I'll give it a try.
One last question, Do you all get a film on top of your water?
I have a scum on my water and when i clean it of it is back the next day.
 

booya

Member
No sump and no ripples on the water. Will aiming the powerhead up be OK for water movement in the bottom of the tank?
 

oregonbud

Member
My two cents - save the money you would spend on a powerfilter, and build a DIY sump - it would probably be pretty close to the same price and you will be alot happier with it - try doing some searching in the DIY section - you should get lots of posts on building a sump. Running a skimmer in conjunction with a sump would be a nice setup, and you don't have to mess with a filter - if I didn't already have mine, I would have built a sump and refugium a long time ago, but I'm lazy so having the filter has been my excuse for not getting motivated :)
 
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