Watts / Lumins / Foot Candles / PAR ???? This is the question???

tlsohio

Member
I responded to a post on this forum, regarding lighting...it raised some questions in my mind. So I started doing a little research and I found some interesting information on Lumins versus watts versus PAR. I would love to hear the thoughts of some of our more experienced posters as to which of the above is the most accurate way to measure light in our aquariums?? IMO, PAR (Photosynthetically Active Radiation) is the best way to measure the output of our lighting systems. But I am having a hard time finding a chart that allows you to make the coversion from PAR to watts / or from PAR per gallon. Some of the information that I have found, goes beyond my comprehension. I'm just wondering what information, others may have found regarding this subject. I am adding some links that I found researching, I do not believe that they go against message board rules as I don't believe this is a competitive site. So here goes: http://www.thekrib.com/Lights/depth.html http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Tech/intensorama.html
I look forward to all input....
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
Well using a PAR meter is definitely the best and only way that I know of to measure the actual output of a lighting system.
I think one should also be care full when advising noobies about lighting to not confuse usable radiation with the other PAR (parabolic aluminized reflector) that is commonly referred to in the lighting category of our systems in this hobby.
IMO, PAR to Watts has no real relevance since different lighting puts out more lumen/lux and PAR than others at the same wattage. That's why I also think the Watts per gallon rule is outdated since the introduction of LED's into the hobby. As well as Plasma which is just starting to gain some attention. And PAR per gallon??? Well that really doesn't make much sense to me.
I caught your response on the other thread...and the comment about lumens/lux output having no real relevance to usable radiation as far as photosynthesis is concerned I don't think is accurate since you really can't have one without the other. But as my fellow hobbyist mentioned about the Watts per gallon rule being outdated I can totally understand, especially if you're using it as a generalization towards all lighting. No doubt though, corals could care less about lux or the luminous output of lighting when all they are interested in is the usable radiation that is being created by the source.
 

tlsohio

Member
Ok first, Just to be clear, I've never heard of PAR (parabolic aluminized reflector) as a measure of light and that is what we are talking about here..right??
And I agree, that especially today with the new technology in lighting that the watts ratio is outdated, but how would you describe in simple terms to new hobbyists, how to measure light per gallon needs, when they are trying to buy a new fixture? There has to be a calculation that helps the reef hobbyist do this. No matter how outdated watts may be, bulbs are still sold on a watt basis. Is there a chart somewhere that helps hobbyists make this conversion, with all the light sources available there has to be information somewhere, that gives the PAR that each light type produces at different depths?? Doesn't there??
Quote - "No doubt though, corals could care less about lux or the luminous output of lighting when all they are interested in is the usable radiation that is being created by the source."
With that said, I'm looking for information that helps us to do a PAR calculation on lighting needs based on volume of gallons. Or is a PAR calculation only for individual coral needs at a certain depths???
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by tlsohio http:///forum/thread/381345/watts-lumins-foot-candles-par-this-is-the-question#post_3321052
Ok first, Just to be clear, I've never heard of PAR (parabolic aluminized reflector) as a measure of light and that is what we are talking about here..right??
And I agree, that especially today with the new technology in lighting that the watts ratio is outdated, but how would you describe in simple terms to new hobbyists, how to measure light per gallon needs, when they are trying to buy a new fixture? There has to be a calculation that helps the reef hobbyist do this. No matter how outdated watts may be, bulbs are still sold on a watt basis. Is there a chart somewhere that helps hobbyists make this conversion, with all the light sources available there has to be information somewhere, that gives the PAR that each light type produces at different depths?? Doesn't there??
Quote - "No doubt though, corals could care less about lux or the luminous output of lighting when all they are interested in is the usable radiation that is being created by the source."
With that said, I'm looking for information that helps us to do a PAR calculation on lighting needs based on volume of gallons. Or is a PAR calculation only for individual coral needs at a certain depths???
Yeah I think there are alot of variables here that need to be considered on an individual basis before one could assume that a one size fits all solution would work well for everybody. Take a 54w T5 bulb for instance. There are different manufactures of bulbs, ballast, reflectors...etc. Depending on the type of ballast that you are driving that bulb with can change it's intensity greatly. Just like reflectors. Using a cheap reflector or no reflector isn't going to give you the same PAR (photosynthetically active radiation) measurements as a well designed PAR (parabolic aluminized reflector) will. You can also throw a larger ballast on a T5 and overdrive the bulb thus increasing it's output as well. Some bulbs even have built in reflectors which give them a better focused output than ones without. Depth of tank, spread, space between the fixture and top of the tank, power...etc. All of these things come into play and have an effect on the measurements of PAR that you'll see.
As Spankos link and Bang Guy have suggested... figuring out the actual amount of usable radiation that would be required by an individual piece of coral would be the holy grail. But it would be impossible to figure out a one size fits all rule, IMO. In general, there have been enough tests done on all of the different types of lighting to give anyone a good enough idea of what will be required for what they plan to keep if they're are willing to search for it and come to their own conclusion on what will work best with their particular set ups.
In regards to your last question...calculating PAR on a per gallon basis would never work IMO since these measurements will change depending on the depth of which is being measured. I think it would be better for someone to measure the PAR values of their particular tank and then plan accordingly in regards to the placement of corals within their tank.
 

wangotango

Active Member
Watts/gallon is completely useless, and I honestly don't understand why this is still being "taught." X watts does not always correlate to X units of light or X PAR. They're all different units. It's like comparing an orange and wood. So "5 watts/gallon" of lighting isn't going to correspond to 200PAR (which is usually enough to sustain most coral). Comparable wattages of PC, T5, halide, and LED will produce a different amount of light. Also, light is not "dissolved" in the tank volume, so adding X amount of light per gallon to be enough for corals isn't like adding X tablespoons of Kool Aid powder to make it taste "right."
Most units of measure have more to do with how our eye perceives the light or how it is spread, rather than how much of the spectrum it produces is actually usable to photosynthetic organisms. A manufacturer cannot really advertise PAR or PUR because it depends on many variables. It also is not constant throughout the whole aquarium either.
The only person who can probably explain lighting and aquariums the best is Sanjay Joshi. Very knowledgable and a very nice guy. Google some of his articles.
 

tlsohio

Member
Thanks so much for all the information everybody!! I think this has been very informative and have enjoyed the camaraderie!!
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Totally Agree!!!!!
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Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/381345/watts-lumins-foot-candles-par-this-is-the-question#post_3321169
Watts/gallon is completely useless, and I honestly don't understand why this is still being "taught." X watts does not always correlate to X units of light or X PAR. They're all different units. It's like comparing an orange and wood. So "5 watts/gallon" of lighting isn't going to correspond to 200PAR (which is usually enough to sustain most coral). Comparable wattages of PC, T5, halide, and LED will produce a different amount of light. Also, light is not "dissolved" in the tank volume, so adding X amount of light per gallon to be enough for corals isn't like adding X tablespoons of Kool Aid powder to make it taste "right."
Most units of measure have more to do with how our eye perceives the light or how it is spread, rather than how much of the spectrum it produces is actually usable to photosynthetic organisms. A manufacturer cannot really advertise PAR or PUR because it depends on many variables. It also is not constant throughout the whole aquarium either.
The only person who can probably explain lighting and aquariums the best is Sanjay Joshi. Very knowledgable and a very nice guy. Google some of his articles.
 
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