Weird Clown

w glint

Member
Hello everyone!
I recently got a new Gold Striped Maroon Clown for my tank, as a replacement to my late perc clown that met his demise at the hands of a malfunctioning powerhead witch has since been removed. When i 'picked him out' at the pet shop he was listed as a ORA GSM clown and it was hard to see real details because of some wierd tinting on the holding tanks. over the last 2 days of staring at my new addition, im starting to think he may not be a Maroon at all, or perhaps some wierd mix breed, or perhaps some genetic misshap. Hes more of a dark brown in color with patches of dark orange, and his stripes are more white than gold. He also does not fit the normal body profile of a Maroon clown, and more resembles a Perc. He does has a multiple misbar on his front stripe which is characteristic of Maroon's I will attach some pictures with this post. He also has not been eating at all yet - i tried frozen mysis and a few different flake foods, as well as some green algae: non got any attention. I should also mention that one of his eye's show some signs of trauma - a white clowdy layer over the eye that protrudes outward, which leads me to believe his eye sight may not be the best. He does show some energy when i do feed and swims around more actively when food is in the water but dosent eat any of the food.
As for behavior, he swims in relative place at the surface of the water, occasionally swims down the water column and then back up to the surface. Water and tank parameters are nominal, 0 nitrite, 0 ammonia, 10-15 nitrate (higher than normal, but its due to my feeding attempts), 78 degrees, and 1.023 salinity. I also added an airstone, and added some stress-reducer on the first day, along with a slime coat booster.
He does have some frayed fins and a small tare on the back fin, as well as a small white lump on his 'chin', so i plan to medicate him with some Lifeguard as a general health-cleanup after i can get him to eat. When i got him, i talked to the LFS owner and he said he had the clown for a few months and was doing fine when i bought him - he even had a nickname too. i will contacts the owner in the morning to see what they fed him.
Thanks so much for any help you can give me!


 

flower

Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by W Glint http:///t/390217/weird-clown#post_3454161
Hello everyone!
I recently got a new Gold Striped Maroon Clown for my tank, as a replacement to my late perc clown that met his demise at the hands of a malfunctioning powerhead witch has since been removed. When i 'picked him out' at the pet shop he was listed as a ORA GSM clown and it was hard to see real details because of some wierd tinting on the holding tanks. over the last 2 days of staring at my new addition, im starting to think he may not be a Maroon at all, or perhaps some wierd mix breed, or perhaps some genetic misshap. Hes more of a dark brown in color with patches of dark orange, and his stripes are more white than gold. He also does not fit the normal body profile of a Maroon clown, and more resembles a Perc. He does has a multiple misbar on his front stripe which is characteristic of Maroon's I will attach some pictures with this post. He also has not been eating at all yet - i tried frozen mysis and a few different flake foods, as well as some green algae: non got any attention. I should also mention that one of his eye's show some signs of trauma - a white clowdy layer over the eye that protrudes outward, which leads me to believe his eye sight may not be the best. He does show some energy when i do feed and swims around more actively when food is in the water but dosent eat any of the food.
As for behavior, he swims in relative place at the surface of the water, occasionally swims down the water column and then back up to the surface. Water and tank parameters are nominal, 0 nitrite, 0 ammonia, 10-15 nitrate (higher than normal, but its due to my feeding attempts), 78 degrees, and 1.023 salinity. I also added an airstone, and added some stress-reducer on the first day, along with a slime coat booster.
He does have some frayed fins and a small tare on the back fin, as well as a small white lump on his 'chin', so i plan to medicate him with some Lifeguard as a general health-cleanup after i can get him to eat. When i got him, i talked to the LFS owner and he said he had the clown for a few months and was doing fine when i bought him - he even had a nickname too. i will contacts the owner in the morning to see what they fed him.
Thanks so much for any help you can give me!


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I can't see your pictures, but it sounds like the fish has more issues than what kind of clown it is. Why would you purchase anything less than a perfect specimen? I read all the time here of folks getting some half dead fish and trying to rescue it. A sick fish could infect all your other fish, and it's expensive to get a SW fish, why get one that may not make it from the start? These are not puppies in a dog pound, a sick fishes chances of survival are very slim. If you could not see the fish before purchase because of the tanks, that is not a LFS I would continue to go to.
Go to the disease section and see if you can find some info on the clouded eye. It sounds like the ripped fins could be from past aggression issues. Clowns are pretty tough little fish, it might pull through...the not eating for the first 24 hours is kind of normal for any new fish and not cause for alarm, but clowns usually eat and are not shy like that. Personally I don't even bother to try and feed a fish for the first 24 hours.
But do look up that clouded eye...
 

w glint

Member
here are the photobucket links to the pictures.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/IMG00137-20120126-1722.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/IMG00140-20120127-2326.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/IMG00152-20120127-2328-1.jpg
 

mr. limpid

Active Member
Sorry to say those are scary pictures. I look like a ORA Misbar Black Ocellaris to me.
as for the cloudy eye prob scatched from net while being transfered, It should clear up on a couple of days. As for not eating, very uncommon for clowns not to eat. Keep offering food, hopfully will eat soon. Just a tip for next time, make LFS feed them B4 you buy them. If they don't eat for LFS they wont eat for you. Let the LFS take the right off you cant. Good Luck
 
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smallreef

Guest
well.. the pics arent very clear but its DEF NOT a maroon... im not sure what it is ,, whether its a kind of tomato that just really dark or a dark clarki? the face is just not right for a maroon...
Plus it looks like his right eye has an issue??? can you get a better / farther away picture??
 

w glint

Member
Sure, here they are:
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/010.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/009.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/008.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/007.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w419/larson056/006.jpg
 

w glint

Member
I dont think its a black perc because of its colors, it is red-ish, more towards brown, but red nontheless.
 
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smallreef

Guest
Im pretty stumped... clarkii, saddleback... maybe a skunk.... i dont know.....
the face is def. not a maroon,, im sticking to that, lol
 

mr. limpid

Active Member
Why would you buy this fish, its looks terrible. I would take it back and demand a refund, that LFS should of never sold you that fish. They obvious don't want repeat customers.
 

w glint

Member
Well even if ihis chances are low, there is still a chance; i'm willing to try, failing that: give it a good place, under proper care - to come to an end. First obstacle has been passed and he is finally taken to some frozen mysis! wa-whoo! After i can get him to eat a little more, ill begin a broad treatment regime and see what can be done. I have a dozen or so leftover tablets of Lifegaurd laying around from a friend: does anyone have any success with this medication? Also, is there any benefit to offering sea-weed? Perhaps soaked in garlic? It seemed to peak his interests with the mysis.
 
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smallreef

Guest
If you can offer him some vitamins like selcon that could be helpful too...
Ive used lifeguard before and not sure if i really saw any positive reactions from a problem,,
 

mr. limpid

Active Member
Cyclop-eezs, I just bought some yesterday, it so small that not even my littlest butterfly (they have very small mouths) is interested in it. It would only be good for spot feeding corals or older fryes if you are hatching your own fish. I apologize for suggesting this food, a better choice would of been Rod's original blend.
 

w glint

Member
Thanks for the pointer Limpid, much appreciated. Nothing risked, nothing gained right! i got the Cyclop because a few of my local reefer's suggested it for very difficult eaters, so perhaps he will take to it, if not - i was planning on breeding some black's after my 55 is up in the spring, so i can just save them till then! As for the Selcon, does it really help all that much? And in terns if soaking food in garlic, is it only to stimulate the feeding response, or is there added health benefits to go with it - just curious.
 

mr. limpid

Active Member
Selcon is a good but expensive product. I think it helps, but like us if you get a well balanced diet you don't need vitamins. But the real question is our fish get all the right foods? As for garlic I know what it doe's for humans so believe it does the same for fish. There is a good article written about garlic at reefkeeping.com. I personal feed fresh garlic soaked food twice a week, but do not use vitamins.
 
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