Well Fed Imperastor Less Likely To Eat Corals? Attack Lions?

rastaangel

rastaangel

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I am looking for a tank mate for my lions and I keep coming back to the imperator angels...
I know there prone to eat corals, which I have lotsa softies and zoos, and a large hammer, but I was wondering if it was very well feed would it be less likely to eat my corals?
Also would it go after my volitans?
 
florida joe

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One of the few fish I think definitely need a large tank that being said they will do what they are genetically programed to do and that is EAT CORALS
 
wangotango

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It's hit or miss. There's one in the Penn State tank that doesn't pick on coral at all. An angel in the Genicanthus family would be your best bet for "reef safeness."
 
srfisher17

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aquaknight

aquaknight

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You can probably get Large Angels to avoid SPS, but zoas will always be lunch.
Second Wango's suggestion of Genicanthus angels. These reef-safe angels always get overlooked....
 
rastaangel

rastaangel

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well I guess I have to decide then... fish or corals...
I have tryed tangs... yellow, purple and a powder blue... my male lion has a anti tang complex... he heavly harasses them until they stress out... lol i am running outta tank mate options that they wont eat or eat my other tank inhabitants
 
srfisher17

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I've never heard of the problem you're having, weird.There have to be some good tankmates. The deepwater Genicanthus angels, mentioned by the smarter guys above are a good idea. Just for info: how big is the tank and what fish are now mooching off you in it? It sounds like the lion is just being territorial and would act the same way toward angels, etc, as he does tangs.
 
rastaangel

rastaangel

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Its a custom made, about 180g. There are the male and female volitans, and about 7 small damel and chromis in and about that the lions havnt eaten yet. There arnt many fish that I have found that I can buy big enough that wont be lunch right away. I have seen lotsa large angels that they cant be food like emperors, blue faces, regals, majestics and queens but all of them will eat corals...
I have tryed to introduce a 4"-5" metallic foxface and it was lunch over night, I have tryed large tangs and the male harasses them till they get ick, then I remove them.
It seems they doesnt mind the smaller fish... as if there to lazy to eat them and well feed enough not to bother, but I know they will eventally be eatin up so I dont really want to spend money on nice smaller fish knowing theyre possible lunch...
 
srfisher17

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If the tang got ich, I'm afraid its in your tank and will reappear sooner or later. If your DT is ich free and you QT (and treat as needed) all new fish; no fish can get ich from just being stressed.
To Cranberry: I know Volitans have no visual gender differences; but do you think you can usually tell the males in a group by their behavior? I've almost always kept more than one at a time and just assumed an aggressive (I think it is more territorial than aggression, I've never kept a Volitan that I would consider aggressive) adult was male; but I could be dead wrong. Can someone that studies them the way you do "just know"? When I bred FW angels & discus to support my growing SW addiction, I could tell the males from the females 90%+ of the time; but I couldn't teach anyone else how to do it.
 
cranberry

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No, I don't believe we can tell from behaviou,r because there will always be a dominant may there be two males or two females.... someone has to take the role. So who ever you see as being the more dominant is just the one that ended up with the role. IMO.
 
srfisher17

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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/thread/381897/well-fed-imperastor-less-likely-to-eat-corals-attack-lions#post_3330601
No, I don't believe we can tell from behaviou,r because there will always be a dominant may there be two males or two females.... someone has to take the role. So who ever you see as being the more dominant is just the one that ended up with the role. IMO.
Makes sense. I guess I've somehow gotten used to referring to the "Alpha Fish" as a male without thinking (or really caring) if it was.
 
rastaangel

rastaangel

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I know its the male from seeing them spawn in the huge 400g DT I bought them from, and he is bigger, wider and has more distinct brown markings in his fins different then the female he spawned with.
Any time I put a tang in and it got sick as soon as I removed it I treated with polyp labs medic to kill off the ick, but ill admit I never did QT any of them as I thought it wasnt nessasry cuz they were in the LFS tanks for atleast a 6 weeks and were very healthly and showed no indication of being sick
 
florida joe

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Just a side note and just my own opinion most if not all lfs run copper so it is possible that although a fish looks healthy while it is in the store it may very well come down with a full blown case of parasitic infection once introduced into you DT and the parasites multiply
 
srfisher17

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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/381897/well-fed-imperastor-less-likely-to-eat-corals-attack-lions#post_3330628
Just a side note and just my own opinion most if not all lfs run copper so it is possible that although a fish looks healthy while it is in the store it may very well come down with a full blown case of parasitic infection once introduced into you DT and the parasites multiply
That's why I've used copper in QT for many years. I think the fear of copper is one of the great mis-conceptions in our hobby. Cupramine copper is easy, safe, and easy to remove. It would be hard to find a fish that hadn't been treated with copper on the way to your tank.
And Joe, a late, but sincere, "Happy Veterans Day!
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by srfisher17 http:///forum/thread/381897/well-fed-imperastor-less-likely-to-eat-corals-attack-lions#post_3330633
Quote:
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///forum/thread/381897/well-fed-imperastor-less-likely-to-eat-corals-attack-lions#post_3330628
Just a side note and just my own opinion most if not all lfs run copper so it is possible that although a fish looks healthy while it is in the store it may very well come down with a full blown case of parasitic infection once introduced into you DT and the parasites multiply
That's why I've used copper in QT for many years. I think the fear of copper is one of the great mis-conceptions in our hobby. Cupramine copper is easy, safe, and easy to remove. It would be hard to find a fish that hadn't been treated with copper on the way to your tank.
And Joe, a late, but sincere, "Happy Veterans Day!
Thank you my old friend
 
deejeff442

deejeff442

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maybe a crosshatch trigger.i have a female blue throat in my reef with 5 shrimp and cuc she dont bother any of them.of course she is $400 less than a crosshatch
 
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