Well hello Mr. Governor, say hello to your fans...

[beth]

Yea, I know there are some abuses, but not everywhere, particularly in the South. In my view, if government can't pay for something, then don't offer it as a state service. Instead, what happens is that employees are defunded, and the same service at the same level is performed.
BTW. Most money states use for services is federal money, not state money. This is tax payer money as well, I realize, but saying that cutting employees is going to save, it does, because just about the only thing the state does pay for (and only partially) are staff positions. If you don't have money, cut the service, and everything that goes with that. The positions, the office space, etc. Usually, though, cut positions just goes somewhere else.....never actually really cut. I know, I used to work in Human Resources. Moving positions around was like playing a Tetris.

 

[ironeagle2006]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364177
Don't deceive yourself into thinking that this country is on the verge of financial ruin. Yes, we have spent money like water flowing out of a broken dam, but we are still way way ahead of every other country, including China.
If only we could get our government members to do less politics, and more governing. The day pork and sending billions overseas to countries that hate our guts is eliminated, then I may think we are on the brink. But no matter how red the ink on the paper gets, all of that waste continues unbridled while middle Americans bear the waste.
Beth I hate to Argue with you but I live in IL were our states Pension fund has Unfunded Mandates of 55 Billion that are due in the Next 5 Years. Our entire State Budget is 52 Billion. Our Future Obligations total 250 Billion over the next 20 years. Yet the Democrat Gov here refuses to do anything about it to fix the System. His plan to Fix it Borrow More Money to fix it. Then he Raised taxes making our state the Highest Taxed State in the Nation.
Here the Governor refuses to cut Spending where it would cost him the support of the Chicago Unions because if he did he would lose the Power of the Chicago Machine. Chicago Runs this state and they make it clear they do. Quinn our Gov did not win any countys except 3 St Clair near St Louis Cook and Du Page. He lost the Rest of the State. He only won the Election by less than 2K votes. He won the 3 counties he won by 25K votes.

 

[socal57che]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364315
Yea, I know there are some abuses, but not everywhere, particularly in the South. In my view, if government can't pay for something, then don't offer it as a state service. Instead, what happens is that employees are defunded, and the same service at the same level is performed.
BTW. Most money states use for services is federal money, not state money. This is tax payer money as well, I realize, but saying that cutting employees is going to save, it does, because just about the only thing the state does pay for (and only partially) are staff positions. If you don't have money, cut the service, and everything that goes with that. The positions, the office space, etc. Usually, though, cut positions just goes somewhere else.....never actually really cut. I know, I used to work in Human Resources. Moving positions around was like playing a Tetris.
I agree. I have no problem cutting programs that need to be cut. We can either afford it, or we can't. If we can't, we should cut the program. You don't let a person with gangrene die...you amputate the limb to save the body.
If the government stops funding programs that it cannot afford, the private sector will fill the gaps. People want to give. People want to help. People do not want government to take the money they earned and decide where to spend it for them. I think people of any political view can agree that they know how they would like to spend the money they earned. Nobody wants someone else to decide how to spend it for them.

 

[oscardeuce]

I wonder how many tax dollars those police and fire folks wasted running their sirens? bTW that is illegal for them to be doing political activities during work, or with public equipment.
I also have a business in Ohio and I am a physician in Ohio. My dad quit the Ohio Highway Patrol when they unionized.
I pay plenty of tax thank you. Much of that feeds the public union machine which feeds the democrat machine which feeds the union machine and so on and so one.
Public unions=democrat money. Remember that.
I love how the WI democrats are fleeing their responsibility. They don't have the guts to vote. They lost and now they cry foul!

 

[ibew41]

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans/20#post_3364538
I wonder how many tax dollars those police and fire folks wasted running their sirens? bTW that is illegal for them to be doing political activities during work, or with public equipment.
I also have a business in Ohio and I am a physician in Ohio. My dad quit the Ohio Highway Patrol when they unionized.
I pay plenty of tax thank you. Much of that feeds the public union machine which feeds the democrat machine which feeds the union machine and so on and so one.
Public unions=democrat money. Remember that.
I love how the WI democrats are fleeing their responsibility. They don't have the guts to vote. They lost and now they cry foul!
why would anyone quit a job just because it went union unless the new job had better pay and benefits. since we are going to save money I think anyone on disability who did not have insurance should lose there benefits also get rid of social security to anyone who makes over 60k a year and to get it you have had to work 80% of your adult life

 

[ibew41]

the most work our company is doing now is going into a place and setting up new offices and work areas that the customer has and temps come in and replace the workers at quality control and production then they get rid of the higher paying employees and pay the new temps for 39hrs so no benefits. this is for union and none union buildings and most of the temps hired are the layed off employees.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by IBEW41 http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans/20#post_3365810
why would anyone quit a job just because it went union unless the new job had better pay and benefits. since we are going to save money I think anyone on disability who did not have insurance should lose there benefits also get rid of social security to anyone who makes over 60k a year and to get it you have had to work 80% of your adult life
Tell ya what, give me back all my premiums paid into FICA with interest and I'll go for it. I see no issue with making government employees pay 5 percent of their pay for what is a pretty nice pension and 12% of their health insurance premium if their employer, the government, is going broke.

 

[smartorl]

At least you all don't have governor "Alien Face". What a complete moron. I have to give Jeb Bush props in that he handled the emergency issues within our state very well.
Brevard County is on fire, this is huge, Governor Snott is off traveling rather than addressing the issue.
He is cutting jobs like there is no tomorrow and adding more and more to his staff. I understand cutting the budget but come on, our schools already rank last, is education the place to cut? Seriously, as a parent, I provide everything except the desk, room, and teacher, where is this money going to come from?
This is the politician who's mommy made alot of his commercials talking about what a fine young man he was. Argh, he also claimed that he would forgo a salary, instead, he raised it.
I did not vote for our Governor, they were both horrible choices. Are there any candidates running for office.
It's kind of funny, this creepy, strange guy we went to school with is collecting friends on FB and trying to dabble into politics. When I say creepy, I mean hiding cameras in the bathrooms at his parents (where he still lives, lol) to film the girls at parties, stalking, indecent exposure, all of his criminal adventures were while we were teens so he is relatively clean as an adult. I can now say that I saw the evolution of a politician, lol.

 

[stdreb27]

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Originally Posted by IBEW41 http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans/20#post_3365815
the most work our company is doing now is going into a place and setting up new offices and work areas that the customer has and temps come in and replace the workers at quality control and production then they get rid of the higher paying employees and pay the new temps for 39hrs so no benefits. this is for union and none union buildings and most of the temps hired are the layed off employees.
You're kind of missing the whole problem. Sure you can get screwed by employers, you can also price yourself out of a job... You price shop, why not the employer. But here is the real issue. Unions, can and do, cause regions to lose jobs. The job I'm working on, is a major international high profile project (in the field) and due to a variety of factors, including unions, the job got exported here, from the country of origin. It turns out it was cheaper to buy the materials overseas, ship here, fabricate here, then ship it back to that country. Then it would have been to build it 3 days shipping from where they're going to install it. And we're talking several hundred jobs, that left, because of union labor laws. They just couldn't compete. So all those people in that home country are still unemployed. But hey the unions are protecting the rights of the because of them unemployed worker...
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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans/20#post_3365825
It's kind of funny, this creepy, strange guy we went to school with is collecting friends on FB and trying to dabble into politics. When I say creepy, I mean hiding cameras in the bathrooms at his parents (where he still lives, lol) to film the girls at parties, stalking, indecent exposure, all of his criminal adventures were while we were teens so he is relatively clean as an adult. I can now say that I saw the evolution of a politician, lol.
Sounds like the making of a great democrat... You see where they found that Ted Kennedy rented out a whole brothel for the night in South America?