thanks for the info. its realy helpful. before i picked these up i did as much research as i could but nothing is better than getting it from those who know from experiance. Thats why i came back to swf. I had a profile here but long forgot my pw and its linked to my old job e-mail so i was loutta luck and had to start this new id. o-well. so were thier any ideas on how old they might be? and at what age do the males start developing their sack(lol my bad) or pouch i mean.