What are these fish...
- Thread starter fishyfishy1
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fish are good
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where did you get those?
bigbills
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Illegal, but neat.
They look like schoolmasters, however those are juvenile mangrove snapper (also known as black or gray snapper depending on where you are). They are gamefish that must be 10" to keep.
The Nassau grouper is protected in the United States. I wouldn't get caught with that. The Gag grouper is also a gamefish with a minimum size limit of 24" in the Atlantic, 22" in the Gulf.
They look like schoolmasters, however those are juvenile mangrove snapper (also known as black or gray snapper depending on where you are). They are gamefish that must be 10" to keep.
The Nassau grouper is protected in the United States. I wouldn't get caught with that. The Gag grouper is also a gamefish with a minimum size limit of 24" in the Atlantic, 22" in the Gulf.
scrombus2
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Yes, I know the legal status of all the life in my tank (75 FOWLR that is completely native-sand, rock, water, livestock). I am not going to deny that I am breaking the law with my tank, but my goal is to attempt to create a small piece of inshore reef in my house. My critters are very well taken care of. My children get insight into the world beneath the waves, and they are well aware that certain species are protected, and why they are protected. I knew I was taking a risk when I collected these specimens. The Nassau and Gag were both less than an inch when collected, and in the 2 months or so I've had them they have grown fast. Soon they will be released back into the wild, bigger and better equipped to survive.( no doubt to be caught and eaten by some other scofflaw)
I do not recommend anyone keep illegal livestock in their tanks, but I feel as long as I'm intent on returning these fish to the wild, no harm no foul.
* FLAME resistant wetsuit on*
I do not recommend anyone keep illegal livestock in their tanks, but I feel as long as I'm intent on returning these fish to the wild, no harm no foul.
* FLAME resistant wetsuit on*
reefkprz
Active Member
Originally Posted by scrombus2
http:///forum/post/2732028
Yes, I know the legal status of all the life in my tank (75 FOWLR that is completely native-sand, rock, water, livestock). I am not going to deny that I am breaking the law with my tank, but my goal is to attempt to create a small piece of inshore reef in my house. My critters are very well taken care of. My children get insight into the world beneath the waves, and they are well aware that certain species are protected, and why they are protected. I knew I was taking a risk when I collected these specimens. The Nassau and Gag were both less than an inch when collected, and in the 2 months or so I've had them they have grown fast. Soon they will be released back into the wild, bigger and better equipped to survive.( no doubt to be caught and eaten by some other scofflaw)
I do not recommend anyone keep illegal livestock in their tanks, but I feel as long as I'm intent on returning these fish to the wild, no harm no foul.
* FLAME resistant wetsuit on*
please do not release them into the wild that can introduce pathogens that are not wild into the ocean. re-releasing captive fish is not a good thing.
http:///forum/post/2732028
Yes, I know the legal status of all the life in my tank (75 FOWLR that is completely native-sand, rock, water, livestock). I am not going to deny that I am breaking the law with my tank, but my goal is to attempt to create a small piece of inshore reef in my house. My critters are very well taken care of. My children get insight into the world beneath the waves, and they are well aware that certain species are protected, and why they are protected. I knew I was taking a risk when I collected these specimens. The Nassau and Gag were both less than an inch when collected, and in the 2 months or so I've had them they have grown fast. Soon they will be released back into the wild, bigger and better equipped to survive.( no doubt to be caught and eaten by some other scofflaw)
I do not recommend anyone keep illegal livestock in their tanks, but I feel as long as I'm intent on returning these fish to the wild, no harm no foul.
* FLAME resistant wetsuit on*
please do not release them into the wild that can introduce pathogens that are not wild into the ocean. re-releasing captive fish is not a good thing.
teresaq
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefkprZ
http:///forum/post/2732341
please do not release them into the wild that can introduce pathogens that are not wild into the ocean. re-releasing captive fish is not a good thing.
I agree
http:///forum/post/2732341
please do not release them into the wild that can introduce pathogens that are not wild into the ocean. re-releasing captive fish is not a good thing.
I agree
spiderwoman
Active Member
Originally Posted by scrombus2
http:///forum/post/2732028
Yes, I know the legal status of all the life in my tank (75 FOWLR that is completely native-sand, rock, water, livestock). I am not going to deny that I am breaking the law with my tank, but my goal is to attempt to create a small piece of inshore reef in my house. My critters are very well taken care of. My children get insight into the world beneath the waves, and they are well aware that certain species are protected, and why they are protected. I knew I was taking a risk when I collected these specimens. The Nassau and Gag were both less than an inch when collected, and in the 2 months or so I've had them they have grown fast. Soon they will be released back into the wild, bigger and better equipped to survive.( no doubt to be caught and eaten by some other scofflaw)
I do not recommend anyone keep illegal livestock in their tanks, but I feel as long as I'm intent on returning these fish to the wild, no harm no foul.
* FLAME resistant wetsuit on*
Can you imagine what happens if everybody thinks the way you do? You know you are breaking the law and try to justify it by using it as a lesson for your kids.
Yay, let's all go and get some protected or illegal fish!
http:///forum/post/2732028
Yes, I know the legal status of all the life in my tank (75 FOWLR that is completely native-sand, rock, water, livestock). I am not going to deny that I am breaking the law with my tank, but my goal is to attempt to create a small piece of inshore reef in my house. My critters are very well taken care of. My children get insight into the world beneath the waves, and they are well aware that certain species are protected, and why they are protected. I knew I was taking a risk when I collected these specimens. The Nassau and Gag were both less than an inch when collected, and in the 2 months or so I've had them they have grown fast. Soon they will be released back into the wild, bigger and better equipped to survive.( no doubt to be caught and eaten by some other scofflaw)
I do not recommend anyone keep illegal livestock in their tanks, but I feel as long as I'm intent on returning these fish to the wild, no harm no foul.
* FLAME resistant wetsuit on*
Can you imagine what happens if everybody thinks the way you do? You know you are breaking the law and try to justify it by using it as a lesson for your kids.
Yay, let's all go and get some protected or illegal fish!
scrombus2
Member
An idiot I am not.An idiot would be someone who fires off a post without checking the facts. 1. That's not my pic of the snappers. 2. It's the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission. 3. I have already returned the 2 groupers I BRIEFLY had in my tank to the waters where they were collected. If you read my posts you'd see I admitted what I did was wrong.4. You treehuggers are b**ching about a couple groupers that were collected illegally, without consideration to how your precious tangs and angels were collected- killing vast areas of reef with cyanide and other poisions for a few dollars worth of aquarium fish that will die anyway.Flame on!
jamesvishiou
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you got cut deep.
you go on and keep them.
scrombus2, you have a really good point.
dont listen to that guy.
you go on and keep them.
scrombus2, you have a really good point.
dont listen to that guy.
sloglo
Member
Originally Posted by scrombus2
http:///forum/post/2737204
An idiot I am not.An idiot would be someone who fires off a post without checking the facts. 1. That's not my pic of the snappers. 2. It's the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission. 3. I have already returned the 2 groupers I BRIEFLY had in my tank to the waters where they were collected. If you read my posts you'd see I admitted what I did was wrong.4. You treehuggers are b**ching about a couple groupers that were collected illegally, without consideration to how your precious tangs and angels were collected- killing vast areas of reef with cyanide and other poisions for a few dollars worth of aquarium fish that will die anyway.Flame on!
1. Yes I know those are not your fish in the post... My response was NOT directed at you but rateher the OP, since you decided to chime in your just as guilty.
2. I am NOT a treehugger, I just respect the fact that certain animals are protected for a VALID reason. As a previous poster stated, what idf everyone did the same thing? Then what?
3. The commission /patrol are the same thing just a matter of word choice.
I would suggest you take a look at the news now and then and find out exactly how much trouble you can get in. What kind of example are you setting for your children by showing them it is OK by you to take a protected species for your own benefit and risk getting tagged with a FELONY conviction. Yes a FELONY not a misdemeanor.
http:///forum/post/2737204
An idiot I am not.An idiot would be someone who fires off a post without checking the facts. 1. That's not my pic of the snappers. 2. It's the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission. 3. I have already returned the 2 groupers I BRIEFLY had in my tank to the waters where they were collected. If you read my posts you'd see I admitted what I did was wrong.4. You treehuggers are b**ching about a couple groupers that were collected illegally, without consideration to how your precious tangs and angels were collected- killing vast areas of reef with cyanide and other poisions for a few dollars worth of aquarium fish that will die anyway.Flame on!
1. Yes I know those are not your fish in the post... My response was NOT directed at you but rateher the OP, since you decided to chime in your just as guilty.
2. I am NOT a treehugger, I just respect the fact that certain animals are protected for a VALID reason. As a previous poster stated, what idf everyone did the same thing? Then what?
3. The commission /patrol are the same thing just a matter of word choice.
I would suggest you take a look at the news now and then and find out exactly how much trouble you can get in. What kind of example are you setting for your children by showing them it is OK by you to take a protected species for your own benefit and risk getting tagged with a FELONY conviction. Yes a FELONY not a misdemeanor.
scrombus2
Member
Out of curiosity, where'd you get the info that possesion of an illegal fish is a felony?
No, I do not advocate keeping regulated species. As stated before, the groupers were in my tank only briefly, a couple months at most. The peeps on this forum gave me a guilty conscience and the groupers were released.My children ( ages 10 and 4) are avid fisherkids, and educating them on the laws and the reasons behind the laws is a big part of us being responsible users of our resources.
No, I do not advocate keeping regulated species. As stated before, the groupers were in my tank only briefly, a couple months at most. The peeps on this forum gave me a guilty conscience and the groupers were released.My children ( ages 10 and 4) are avid fisherkids, and educating them on the laws and the reasons behind the laws is a big part of us being responsible users of our resources.
scrombus2
Member
What is the penalty for fishing without a license, keeping too many fish or illegal sized fish?--Answer: Florida Statute 372.83 identifies when noncriminal infractions; criminal penalties; suspension or revocation of licenses and permits occurs with regard to fishing violations. Florida Statute 775.082 or s. 775.083, outline the range of penalties. There are four levels of violation:
Level 1 (noncriminal infractions) involve motor size issues not having a fishing license or violations related to fish that do not directly impact natural resources. Conviction results in a $50 fine plus court costs and the cost of the license (a second violation is a mandatory $100 fine). Failure to pay a noncriminal penalty (similar to a traffic ticket) within 30 days also escalates the charge to a second degree misdemeanor.
Level 2 violations result in a second degree misdemeanor and are criminal acts that typically involve taking fish it is illegal to take, fishing in areas that are closed, using illegal gear or counting violations (more than the bag limit). This is punishable by up to $500 and/or 60 days imprisonment at the discretion of the court. A second violation becomes a minimum $250 mandatory fine and up to a year in jail. Subsequent, convictions become progressively steeper.
Level 3 are serious violations such as possession of commercial quantities of fish or fishing with a revoked/suspended license and result in a first degree misdemeanor that upon conviction leads to a fine of up to $1,000 and up to a year in prison. Subsequent convictions again result in mandatory and escalating penalties.
Level 4 are third degree felonies resulting from possession of forged licenses, molesting commercial fishing gear, or illegal sale of fish. A $5,000 fine and up to five years in jail can result from the first conviction.
Level 1 (noncriminal infractions) involve motor size issues not having a fishing license or violations related to fish that do not directly impact natural resources. Conviction results in a $50 fine plus court costs and the cost of the license (a second violation is a mandatory $100 fine). Failure to pay a noncriminal penalty (similar to a traffic ticket) within 30 days also escalates the charge to a second degree misdemeanor.
Level 2 violations result in a second degree misdemeanor and are criminal acts that typically involve taking fish it is illegal to take, fishing in areas that are closed, using illegal gear or counting violations (more than the bag limit). This is punishable by up to $500 and/or 60 days imprisonment at the discretion of the court. A second violation becomes a minimum $250 mandatory fine and up to a year in jail. Subsequent, convictions become progressively steeper.
Level 3 are serious violations such as possession of commercial quantities of fish or fishing with a revoked/suspended license and result in a first degree misdemeanor that upon conviction leads to a fine of up to $1,000 and up to a year in prison. Subsequent convictions again result in mandatory and escalating penalties.
Level 4 are third degree felonies resulting from possession of forged licenses, molesting commercial fishing gear, or illegal sale of fish. A $5,000 fine and up to five years in jail can result from the first conviction.
mscarpena
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I live in NY and the law here is if your caught with any illegal fish or fishing without a liscense they will ticket you, but the kicker is they can take anything you have on you at that point or anything that transported those fish and yes that includes your tackle, fishingpole, nets, and your car. I know someone who had their tackle and pole taken.
scrombus2
Member
Same here in FL. FWC usually waits until the suspects load their boat on the trailer so the bastids can confiscate the tow vehicle also. As stated before, I don't condone illegal fishing activity, but the agencies in charge of policing the waterways take it too far. To them, it's not so much the violation they're interested in, but the resale value of the confiscated equipment. Our Gov't at it's finest.