What can I add to my refugium to decrease nitrates?

shwstpr88

Member
I have a 20+ppm nitrate issue right now. I have a 125 gal tank with 55 gal sump/refug. I have a 4in deep sand bed, live rock fills my first chamber (50lbs?) then i have 10 lbs of live rock in my fug with chaeto. Can I add anything else to help decrease the nitrates. Admittingly I need to do more frequent water changes, but curious to see if I can do anything else in addiiton.
Thanks!
 
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eric b 125

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it could be the sand bed. i've read that a DSB is only good if its a certain depth that will allow anaerobic bacteria to grow. when it's not deep enough for that it can become a detritus trap. sorry i dont really know much about it, i'm just reiterating what i've read. but keep up on the water changes man!
 

spanko

Active Member
How long has the tank been up? Is your first chamber where the diplay tank water enters the sump? If so why do you have rock in there? Problem may be that the display water containing suspended detritus and this is collecting in the rocks. As with any detritus you want to remove it from the system not let it accumulate. As it breaks down it is creating ammonia, bacteria is breaking it down in the nitrites then nitrates. You say you have not been on a regular water change schedule either. This is allowing the nitrates to accumulate and increase.
I would get the rock out of that chamber and add some type of filtering material (pads floss etc) that can be replaced often.
Get on a regular water change schedule. Is your chaeto growing? If so are you harvesting it out to remove the nutrient that it is absorbing so that it can grow more?
Some basic setup and husbandry issues need to be corrected here IMO.
 

shwstpr88

Member
I have read that you want rock in that first section to replace bio balls. I have never heard of rock being bad in that chamber. Can someone chime in on his comment on that? I beleive my issue is just water changes as I normally do not have a problem. I am just curious if there is anything I can add to my refugium?
 

twood

Member
I was in the same situation about 2 months ago. Although my setup is much smaller: 55 gal tank and a wet/dry filter converted into a sump/refugium. I have 3-4 inches of sand, a small amount live rock, and a big handful of chaeto in the fuge. My nitrates were around 15-20 ppm and would stay there even after 20% water changes. I was feeding my fish daily with powerheads running. After doing some reading on how to deal with nitrates, I decided to turn my powerheads off during feeding so the food would not blow around the tank, and to feed every other day. Doing that along with additional water changes brought the nitrates down to about 5 ppm. I was at a local fish store and asked the owner what macro algae were good at removing nitrates. He said caulerpa works really well and recommended it. So I bought a handful of that and added it in my fuge. After a week and another water change, my nitrates were unreadable on my API test kit and have been so for over a month now.
One thing about caulerpa you should know before buying any. It reproduces asexually. When it does this, it releases spores into the water that will cloud the water and lower the oxygen levels. This can be deadly to your fish. For this reason some people avoid using it. I have read that lighting it 24 hours per day may prevent it from trying to reproduce. I don't know if this works or not, but I am doing this on mine.
 

spanko

Active Member
Good that you are asking for other opinions here.
For me, if you think about the bio balls there is a maintenance schedule that goes along with them. This being a periodic ongoing cleaning of them to remove accumulated detritus. 1/3 of the balls out for a good shaking in some of the change water to dislodge the loose detritus. Then another third and the next water change and so on continuously to keep them free of detritus. Ever heard of bioballs being a nitrate factory? Yup if you don't maintain them they will because that is what they are designed to do, house the bacteria that converts ammonia to nitrite to nitrate. I would submit to you that is exactly what your rock in the first chamber is doing and because you are not cleaning them they will work the same as the balls.
Let's see what others say.
 

flower

Well-Known Member

I trust Spanko...
I also read smewhere that Xenia eats up nitrates, and that they put it in the fuge for that very purpose. You might try adding some of that as well.
 

spanko

Active Member
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3170820

I trust Spanko...
I also read somewhere that Xenia eats up nitrates, and that they put it in the fuge for that very purpose. You might try adding some of that as well.
So does Aiptasia in the fuge................................just sayin
 

twood

Member
I too trust Spanko. I have not been a member here long, but I have read a lot of his posts and the man is very knowledgeable and seems to know what he is doing.
 

ophiura

Active Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3170817
I would submit to you that is exactly what your rock in the first chamber is doing and because you are not cleaning them they will work the same as the balls.
Let's see what others say.
I very much agree.
Also what sponges do you have in the tank, or other mechanical filter, and how often do you clean it?
What is your stock list? How much and how often do you feed? How is your skimmer working?
 
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