What three policies would you like to see in a viable 3rd party?

[roadie996]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3110249
I know several 18-22 year olds that would rather have their portion of the money that is set aside to either or.......We are not discussing what you want. You said it is unconstitutional to force someone to do something they may not believe in or agree with.
Yup, and that's my opinion.

 

[nina&noah]

Originally Posted by roadie996
http:///forum/post/3110231
Peace Corp or not, forcibly making someone do something is taking away their constitutional rights. Now, if you put a stipulation on it, like "a 2.3GPA or less when graduating high school requires a 2 year minimum service in the military. If you drop out of school, then you must enlist for a minimum of 4 years, blah blah blah" That's something that could actually HELP youth to want to achieve higher grades and stay in school, and then if they choose to enlist, they can. Otherwise, they are free to do what they want. Besides, you can't tell a 4.0GPA student who wants to go to law school, or become a doctor he has to join the military before he starts his 7+ years of College/Grad/Doctorates school.
I agree 500%!!!! Especially with the last sentence. Besides, it is being implied that joining the military is the only way to "serve our country." I'm sorry, but I can think of alot of jobs that serve our country. Take for example my profession as a teacher. How about doctors, police officers, firefighters, ect... I do believe that the military is important and should be respected, but requiring everyone to take part in one way or another is wrong. That is like me suggesting that everyone teach for a year, because society doesn't appreciate everything we do.
Besides, I can guarantee that if that passed I for one would move to Europe. There is no way in heck that I would ship my son off to fight in a war, unless it was HIS decision to do so. Sorry, I know that won't be popular, but my son's life is more important than political/financial agendas.

 

[roadie996]

Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3110260
I agree 500%!!!! Especially with the last sentence. Besides, it is being implied that joining the military is the only way to "serve our country." I'm sorry, but I can think of alot of jobs that serve our country. Take for example my profession as a teacher. How about doctors, police officers, firefighters, ect... I do believe that the military is important and should be respected, but requiring everyone to take part in one way or another is wrong. That is like me suggesting that everyone teach for a year, because society doesn't appreciate everything we do.
Besides, I can guarantee that if that passed I for one would move to Europe. There is no way in heck that I would ship my son off to fight in a war, unless it was HIS decision to do so. Sorry, I know that won't be popular, but my son's life is more important than political/financial agendas.
CHEERS!!!!

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3110260
Besides, I can guarantee that if that passed I for one would move to Europe. There is no way in heck that I would ship my son off to fight in a war, unless it was HIS decision to do so. Sorry, I know that won't be popular, but my son's life is more important than political/financial agendas.
What is the last war zone the coast guard, peace corp, and other such organizations engaged in?

 

[bulldog123]

Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3110260
I agree 500%!!!! Especially with the last sentence. Besides, it is being implied that joining the military is the only way to "serve our country." I'm sorry, but I can think of alot of jobs that serve our country. Take for example my profession as a teacher. How about doctors, police officers, firefighters, ect... I do believe that the military is important and should be respected, but requiring everyone to take part in one way or another is wrong. That is like me suggesting that everyone teach for a year, because society doesn't appreciate everything we do.
Besides, I can guarantee that if that passed I for one would move to Europe. There is no way in heck that I would ship my son off to fight in a war, unless it was HIS decision to do so. Sorry, I know that won't be popular, but my son's life is more important than political/financial agendas.
How do you think this country got to where it is today. Thinking you and your kids are better than someone else. Shame on you. I want freedom but I dont want any of my loved ones to have to fight for it. I dont think I have ever heard something so selfish.

 

[nina&noah]

Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3110293
How do you think this country got to where it is today. Thinking you and your kids are better than someone else. Shame on you. I want freedom but I dont want any of my loved ones to have to fight for it. I dont think I have ever heard something so selfish.
I was expecting that kind of reaction. However, this war is not the same war that went into our history books. Our men and women are not over there fighting for our "freedom." Let's not kid ourselves into believing that. I pray everyday that they come home soon. And yes, I do think that my son is better than everyone else, but doesn't every mother? Isn't a loss of freedom exactly what is being debated here. It was suggested that people of 18-22 lose the freedom to decide whether or not to serve in the armed forces.

 

[nina&noah]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3110279
What is the last war zone the coast guard, peace corp, and other such organizations engaged in?

Ok Darth, you got me there. You are absolutely right. But what about the first part of my argument?

 

[roadie996]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3110279
What is the last war zone the coast guard, peace corp, and other such organizations engaged in?

I can still recall the coast guard doing extremely dangerous stuff, with a high chance of dieing. Lots of peace corp people that travel run to other countries to help will always run the risk of being killed, being held hostage, getting over taken by hostiles. Its all the same cow, no matter how you slice it.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by roadie996
http:///forum/post/3110341
I can still recall the coast guard doing extremely dangerous stuff, with a high chance of dieing. Lots of peace corp people that travel run to other countries to help will always run the risk of being killed, being held hostage, getting over taken by hostiles. Its all the same cow, no matter how you slice it.
One could add Fire fighting to the list then, we could reduce the cost on the local government by including firefighting since it would be all volunteer. Even Border Patrol....
How many deaths per year does the coast guard have.....seriously.

 

[uneverno]

Originally Posted by tank a holic
http:///forum/post/3110210
"3) Mandatory draft of all 18 or older children of politicians in time of war. (To the infantry, not to the Coast Guard or Officer Corps..)"
I disagree here, although I think it would be good for all 18 year olds to spend time in the military I dont think you can force "just politicians children"
much less force them to go infantry as apposed to one of the other hundred jobs the military offers %%
No-no - not just politicians children. My thought behind that one is that it forces members of Congress to think a little before marching off to do their master's bidding.
Sorta like what Bulldog123 said re: wanting freedom, but being unwilling to pay for it. I think the Congressional position is worse than that however, in that they have the power to require that other people's children pay for it, and the connections to exempt their own.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3110260
Besides, I can guarantee that if that passed I for one would move to Europe. There is no way in heck that I would ship my son off to fight in a war, unless it was HIS decision to do so. Sorry, I know that won't be popular, but my son's life is more important than political/financial agendas.
So your kid is too good to serve if it is decided we need a draft? Maybe you should do the country a favor and move to Europe now

 

[nina&noah]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3110363
So your kid is too good to serve if it is decided we need a draft? Maybe you should do the country a favor and move to Europe now

Do you have kids? Why are people so shocked that I would say that? I don't get it.

Does any parent really want there kids to go to war? Now if he decided to serve in the military I would support him. I would be sick with worry, but I would support him. I'm just saying that a draft isn't right.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by roadie996
http:///forum/post/3110341
I can still recall the coast guard doing extremely dangerous stuff, with a high chance of dieing. Lots of peace corp people that travel run to other countries to help will always run the risk of being killed, being held hostage, getting over taken by hostiles. Its all the same cow, no matter how you slice it.
But there are other community service groups that don't leave the country that would be glad to have the help. I think it is more of a concept Darth is talking about than saying you have to join one of those specific groups. There are plenty of high schools that require students to perform a certain number of hours of community service before they can get their diploma.
All and all I am really on the fence on this. I can see good and bad in it.

 

[roadie996]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3110368
But there are other community service groups that don't leave the country that would be glad to have the help. I think it is more of a concept Darth is talking about than saying you have to join one of those specific groups. There are plenty of high schools that require students to perform a certain number of hours of community service before they can get their diploma.
All and all I am really on the fence on this. I can see good and bad in it.
Ah yes, there are plenty. But the original topic was Military, not service groups. Military groups and it's personnel always run the chance of leaving the country to hostile territories. Also, think of all the 18-22 year olds you encounter on a daily basis at your food stores, convenience stores, fast food chains, gas stations, landscaping crews, repair garages, etc... Who would take their place if they have been mandated to serve for a number of years? I could see another economic collapse from that... more money into government forces, less money in circulation. think about it...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3110365
Do you have kids? Why are people so shocked that I would say that? I don't get it.

Does any parent really want there kids to go to war? Now if he decided to serve in the military I would support him. I would be sick with worry, but I would support him. I'm just saying that a draft isn't right.
Right now a draft isn't right, at least not in my opinion. That isn't to say there are never times when it is needed. Like I said earlier I would like to see all kids go through a form of boot camp if for nothing else just gain a understanding part of what the armed forces go through.
And not that it matters but my son joined the Army in 05, got back from Iraq last July and is slated to go to Afghanistan some time next year.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by roadie996
http:///forum/post/3110370
Ah yes, there are plenty. But the original topic was Military, not service groups. Military groups and it's personnel always run the chance of leaving the country to hostile territories. Also, think of all the 18-22 year olds you encounter on a daily basis at your food stores, convenience stores, fast food chains, gas stations, landscaping crews, repair garages, etc... Who would take their place if they have been mandated to serve for a number of years? I could see another economic collapse from that... more money into government forces, less money in circulation. think about it...
Yeah but in his original post he threw out the peace corp as well as those military branches. And like I said I am on the fence on this. I am all for instilling a sense of giving something back in kids. Regrettably that should be the parents responsibility and most fail miserably at the task.

 

[zman1]

I believe everyone male and female should serve two years in the military or three years in some other public service (not a political service). If you apply for federal guarantied student loans you would be guaranteed to be fully funded for public service and for the military funding needed beyond the GI-Bill. Learn to be givers and not just takers all your live. This is regardless of your parent's station in life. If you are not physically able to perform service, you would still qualify for student loans.
ROTC would qualify since you serve upon graduating college.
"Besides, you can't tell a 4.0GPA student who wants to go to law school, or become a doctor he has to join the military before he starts his 7+ years of College/Grad/Doctorates school."
Sure, they can become a doctor and lawyer and then serve. The military and Peace Corp needs doctors and lawyers, too.

 

[aquaknight]

Not sure I agree with forcing someone to serve in the military at all, especially to the point of being in combat situations. The last thing I would want is for people in responsible positions who don't want to be there. Anyone ever notice the difference between someone/thing who is forced to do a job, vs. someone who loves their craft. Ever notice the difference from ordering a cake from a national grocery store, made by someone making $11/hr. forced to do the cake, vs. a local baker/cake specialist who lovingly hand crafts each and every cake?
I'm not trying to generalize the people currently serving our country. Yes I know there are a few/some/many that do it just for a pay check, but I do feel most join for more then just the money.
I guess to me, it's just the difference in quality of a willing group of people vs. forced labor.
And if you think those 'kids in high places' aren't going to get around the system of serving somehow, you're crazy.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3110427
I guess to me, it's just the difference in quality of a willing group of people vs. forced labor.
To me, it's just the difference between service to ones country and their own self centered selfishness. JMO, too

 

[bulldog123]

If bullets are flying I promise they will become willing.