what would you do?
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mie
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Folks, please remember to watch the language. Also, don't use symbols like "@&*%---" to beat the profanity filter.
How is this bad? "@&*%"
Anyways, if you are a no show and just quit you wont be able to use that employer as a refference.
IMO it depends how badly do you need or want this job.
Most places you have to climb the ladder to get a better position,this meens crapy hours and days.
But it sounds like you are being taken advantage of. Sounds very similar to my little sisters hotel work experience last year.
And she was being taken advantage of......Speak up.
Folks, please remember to watch the language. Also, don't use symbols like "@&*%---" to beat the profanity filter.
How is this bad? "@&*%"
Anyways, if you are a no show and just quit you wont be able to use that employer as a refference.
IMO it depends how badly do you need or want this job.
Most places you have to climb the ladder to get a better position,this meens crapy hours and days.
But it sounds like you are being taken advantage of. Sounds very similar to my little sisters hotel work experience last year.
And she was being taken advantage of......Speak up.
reefraff
Active Member
If you want to keep the job I would call whoever is in charge and tell them you will work one shift Christmas day, 11 to 7 or 3 to 11, not both. If you just don't show up you may be dooming the person working the 7 to 3 shift Christmas day to a 7 to 11 shift, 16 hour day! Not cool.
If you are at work now and can, make a copy of the schedule. If you do end up telling them to stuff it that will go a long way in explaining to your potential next employer why you left.
If you are at work now and can, make a copy of the schedule. If you do end up telling them to stuff it that will go a long way in explaining to your potential next employer why you left.
m0nk
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Originally Posted by ophiura
I would agree that there must be someone else above her that you should go to. Certainly if there is a legal concern, you should look into it.
But I am also not a fan of "take this job and shove it - just not showing up" reactions. I have personal morals and ethics where that approach would not work without a lot of long regret. I would take the official "give notice" approach, and be sure that you speak to this woman's manager as to why you are leaving. Sometimes upper management may not realize that is going on...sometimes they don't care. But be able to walk away knowing YOU were the better person, not that you gave it right back to them and made life difficult for your coworkers too. YOur boss will not come in and work those hours, some other SOB will, and customer service will likely be sacrificed too. YOur misery could ruin it for many.
Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. You can learn a lot from situations like this that will help you down the road, if you take it to heart, especially should you end up in a management role. I ask interview questions that get to issues like this, and if someone told me "I just quit on the spot" I would not think highly of it. JMO though...not everyone asks such questions
That is just me though. I did have a job where I just up and gave notice, and they were pretty shocked at it (though they knew things were crap). In the end, I felt it important to go to the facility manager and explain, and he was pretty bummed. He knew something was wrong, but didn't know what. He ended up filing a complaint with HR against my problematic manager.
I agree 100% with ophiura on this one. You need some foresight when dealing with problems like this, maybe not just for the longer term, but at least for short term prospects. Your next job interview could depend on how this job ends, and if you deal with the problem through correct (term is subjective, of course) steps it could help you immensely. It's also not a good idea to make these decisions based on emotion. Take 3 days to calm down and think through your options rationally. Of course, during that time, try to get in touch with your manager, and even your manager's boss, as well as HR. Schedule a talk with all of these people asap.
Even if you end up deciding to quit, give a 2+ weeks because future employers will always look at that as the responsible thing to do. It will also help coworkers transition to fill the time, or provide time for management to hire someone new... these things have a snowball effect that you should try your best to minimize, just as a responsible human being.
I would agree that there must be someone else above her that you should go to. Certainly if there is a legal concern, you should look into it.
But I am also not a fan of "take this job and shove it - just not showing up" reactions. I have personal morals and ethics where that approach would not work without a lot of long regret. I would take the official "give notice" approach, and be sure that you speak to this woman's manager as to why you are leaving. Sometimes upper management may not realize that is going on...sometimes they don't care. But be able to walk away knowing YOU were the better person, not that you gave it right back to them and made life difficult for your coworkers too. YOur boss will not come in and work those hours, some other SOB will, and customer service will likely be sacrificed too. YOur misery could ruin it for many.
Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. You can learn a lot from situations like this that will help you down the road, if you take it to heart, especially should you end up in a management role. I ask interview questions that get to issues like this, and if someone told me "I just quit on the spot" I would not think highly of it. JMO though...not everyone asks such questions
That is just me though. I did have a job where I just up and gave notice, and they were pretty shocked at it (though they knew things were crap). In the end, I felt it important to go to the facility manager and explain, and he was pretty bummed. He knew something was wrong, but didn't know what. He ended up filing a complaint with HR against my problematic manager.
I agree 100% with ophiura on this one. You need some foresight when dealing with problems like this, maybe not just for the longer term, but at least for short term prospects. Your next job interview could depend on how this job ends, and if you deal with the problem through correct (term is subjective, of course) steps it could help you immensely. It's also not a good idea to make these decisions based on emotion. Take 3 days to calm down and think through your options rationally. Of course, during that time, try to get in touch with your manager, and even your manager's boss, as well as HR. Schedule a talk with all of these people asap.
Even if you end up deciding to quit, give a 2+ weeks because future employers will always look at that as the responsible thing to do. It will also help coworkers transition to fill the time, or provide time for management to hire someone new... these things have a snowball effect that you should try your best to minimize, just as a responsible human being.
ice4ice
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
If you want to keep the job I would call whoever is in charge and tell them you will work one shift Christmas day, 11 to 7 or 3 to 11, not both. If you just don't show up you may be dooming the person working the 7 to 3 shift Christmas day to a 7 to 11 shift, 16 hour day! Not cool.
I agree on this to a degree. But if she called in sick, - oh well sucks to be who needs to fill in even if it's the person still on duty. Let that person call upper management to deal with it and find someone to fill in. God forbid management will end up doing it ...
If you want to keep the job I would call whoever is in charge and tell them you will work one shift Christmas day, 11 to 7 or 3 to 11, not both. If you just don't show up you may be dooming the person working the 7 to 3 shift Christmas day to a 7 to 11 shift, 16 hour day! Not cool.
I agree on this to a degree. But if she called in sick, - oh well sucks to be who needs to fill in even if it's the person still on duty. Let that person call upper management to deal with it and find someone to fill in. God forbid management will end up doing it ...
nyyankeees
Member
LOL Tangman about the Camden County thing.
Also, i am being totally honest about this and I just got my financial aid for this semester which is about $4,000, so I can live off that for a lil bit. Anyway...I went over her head and called the owner today who is usually a nice guy, concerned about his employees. He acted like he didn't care and it was basically my problem. He said it was something to discuss with the manager because she's the one who does the scheduling. I also forgot to mention that this will include no over time or holiday pay. I don't like the idea of just up and quitting either and this would be the first time I've done it and I worked at my last job for 7 yrs, but i'm just really upset,and sick of being used. I was in tears earlier today. I didn't expect the day off but just 2 days ago i was scheduled 11p-7am x-mas eve and 11p-7a x-mas day which i was fine with. that gave me time before work both days to do other things. It's the fact that my x-mas day shift was changed to 3-11 now when i get out at 7am i need to sleep to go back at 3p and have no time for anything on x-mas. Thanx for your help everyone.
one of my friends sent me this though, which did make me laugh.
http://glumbert.com/media/baddayoffice
Also, i am being totally honest about this and I just got my financial aid for this semester which is about $4,000, so I can live off that for a lil bit. Anyway...I went over her head and called the owner today who is usually a nice guy, concerned about his employees. He acted like he didn't care and it was basically my problem. He said it was something to discuss with the manager because she's the one who does the scheduling. I also forgot to mention that this will include no over time or holiday pay. I don't like the idea of just up and quitting either and this would be the first time I've done it and I worked at my last job for 7 yrs, but i'm just really upset,and sick of being used. I was in tears earlier today. I didn't expect the day off but just 2 days ago i was scheduled 11p-7am x-mas eve and 11p-7a x-mas day which i was fine with. that gave me time before work both days to do other things. It's the fact that my x-mas day shift was changed to 3-11 now when i get out at 7am i need to sleep to go back at 3p and have no time for anything on x-mas. Thanx for your help everyone.
one of my friends sent me this though, which did make me laugh.
http://glumbert.com/media/baddayoffice
jonthefishguy
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Folks, please remember to watch the language. Also, don't use symbols like "@&*%---" to beat the profanity filter.
You know, this is getting pretty ridiculous. I think you are being a bit to petty on what people are saying. example:
I couldnt give (----) could also be (crap). Maybe you shouldnt be so critical of such petty things and quit being hall monitor over things that I seriously dont think people are going to get offended about. JMO
Folks, please remember to watch the language. Also, don't use symbols like "@&*%---" to beat the profanity filter.
You know, this is getting pretty ridiculous. I think you are being a bit to petty on what people are saying. example:
I couldnt give (----) could also be (crap). Maybe you shouldnt be so critical of such petty things and quit being hall monitor over things that I seriously dont think people are going to get offended about. JMO
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jrthomas40
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i worked at advance autoparts for like 2 years then kinda got tired of the managers showing favortism to the females then i would have to make up the slack...and being part time i had more weekly sales and higher numbers than every full time person in that store and i could run the store myself then when i put my notice in the district manager made a trip to see me and ask me if there was anything they could do to keep me with the company
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by NYyankeees
LOL Tangman about the Camden County thing.
Also, i am being totally honest about this and I just got my financial aid for this semester which is about $4,000, so I can live off that for a lil bit. Anyway...I went over her head and called the owner today who is usually a nice guy, concerned about his employees. He acted like he didn't care and it was basically my problem. He said it was something to discuss with the manager because she's the one who does the scheduling. I also forgot to mention that this will include no over time or holiday pay. I don't like the idea of just up and quitting either and this would be the first time I've done it and I worked at my last job for 7 yrs, but i'm just really upset,and sick of being used. I was in tears earlier today. I didn't expect the day off but just 2 days ago i was scheduled 11p-7am x-mas eve and 11p-7a x-mas day which i was fine with. that gave me time before work both days to do other things. It's the fact that my x-mas day shift was changed to 3-11 now when i get out at 7am i need to sleep to go back at 3p and have no time for anything on x-mas. Thanx for your help everyone.
one of my friends sent me this though, which did make me laugh.
http://glumbert.com/media/baddayoffice
You dont by chance have a company handbook do you? The late schedule change might be a violation. Personally I would have told the owner to take his butt down there and cover the shift
You should make a copy of the schedule and highlight your shifts and put a note on thanking the manager for such a plesant holiday and post it.
LOL Tangman about the Camden County thing.
Also, i am being totally honest about this and I just got my financial aid for this semester which is about $4,000, so I can live off that for a lil bit. Anyway...I went over her head and called the owner today who is usually a nice guy, concerned about his employees. He acted like he didn't care and it was basically my problem. He said it was something to discuss with the manager because she's the one who does the scheduling. I also forgot to mention that this will include no over time or holiday pay. I don't like the idea of just up and quitting either and this would be the first time I've done it and I worked at my last job for 7 yrs, but i'm just really upset,and sick of being used. I was in tears earlier today. I didn't expect the day off but just 2 days ago i was scheduled 11p-7am x-mas eve and 11p-7a x-mas day which i was fine with. that gave me time before work both days to do other things. It's the fact that my x-mas day shift was changed to 3-11 now when i get out at 7am i need to sleep to go back at 3p and have no time for anything on x-mas. Thanx for your help everyone.
one of my friends sent me this though, which did make me laugh.
http://glumbert.com/media/baddayoffice
You dont by chance have a company handbook do you? The late schedule change might be a violation. Personally I would have told the owner to take his butt down there and cover the shift
You should make a copy of the schedule and highlight your shifts and put a note on thanking the manager for such a plesant holiday and post it.
tangman99
Active Member
How long have you worked there? If not long and you worked at a previoius job for seven years, don't list them as a place of employment when you look for another job. If they ask, you were just going to school. I won't elaborate on what I would at this point because it wouldn't the best choice for most people but would make me feel so GOOD after I did it.
nyyankeees
Member
I've only worked there 4 months and there is ALOT of employee turn over there. After all of your advice and advice from some friends and family members, I'm gonna work my 2 shifts tomorrow then quit.
natemd
Member
i think the best thing to do would be to wirte up a two week notice and date it for today and then call your manager and leave a message saying you don't appreciate how your situation has been handled on all levels the past couple weeks and that you would rather focus on school right now than being stressed out about a job. This way you have done the right thing and given notice and when your manager does get back they will only have like 3 or 4 days at most if they are vindictive to give you all kinds of bad hours but it also limits the amount of time you have to see them.
I used to run a restaraunt and was in charge of scheduling and such. I always tried to make sure though that on holidays everyone always got one off on a rotating basis and everyone else only had to work a half day, well everyone bu me and the other higher ups. But I always hated it when people would just not show up or just call in and say' oh by the way I quit' Just my two cents
I used to run a restaraunt and was in charge of scheduling and such. I always tried to make sure though that on holidays everyone always got one off on a rotating basis and everyone else only had to work a half day, well everyone bu me and the other higher ups. But I always hated it when people would just not show up or just call in and say' oh by the way I quit' Just my two cents
ophiura
Active Member
Originally Posted by NYyankeees
I've only worked there 4 months and there is ALOT of employee turn over there. After all of your advice and advice from some friends and family members, I'm gonna work my 2 shifts tomorrow then quit.
A LOT of employee turn over must turn heads eventually. That is not something to promote, and someone (if they actually are business people and not folks who think they are) will start paying attention. There is a certain investment any company puts into training people, and that is worth something.
I've only worked there 4 months and there is ALOT of employee turn over there. After all of your advice and advice from some friends and family members, I'm gonna work my 2 shifts tomorrow then quit.
A LOT of employee turn over must turn heads eventually. That is not something to promote, and someone (if they actually are business people and not folks who think they are) will start paying attention. There is a certain investment any company puts into training people, and that is worth something.
tangman99
Active Member
Originally Posted by NYyankeees
I've only worked there 4 months and there is ALOT of employee turn over there. After all of your advice and advice from some friends and family members, I'm gonna work my 2 shifts tomorrow then quit.
Good for you! If you only worked there for 4 months, don't even list them as a previous job. I don't see a problem with it. I agree with everyone that it's USUALLY the right thing to do in giving notice but under these circumstance where someone double scheduled you on a major holiday and the owner doesn't care and no vacation pay rate, I have no problem quiting immediately. They are just wrong to do that.
I've only worked there 4 months and there is ALOT of employee turn over there. After all of your advice and advice from some friends and family members, I'm gonna work my 2 shifts tomorrow then quit.
Good for you! If you only worked there for 4 months, don't even list them as a previous job. I don't see a problem with it. I agree with everyone that it's USUALLY the right thing to do in giving notice but under these circumstance where someone double scheduled you on a major holiday and the owner doesn't care and no vacation pay rate, I have no problem quiting immediately. They are just wrong to do that.
burch2006
Member
is there anyway you could get even and check in everyone that does check in on christmas for free or give them some ridiculous deal... I mean since there will be no manager... And say well ive only been here for four months I dont have enough training and then be like I dont need this stress I quit.
nyyankeees
Member
Well, it gets even better...when i got to work this morning the guy she scheduled to work 11p-7a on x-mas(who has never done it before) told me that the manager said she had previously talked to me and I said I would stay late after my 3-11 shift and help him do the night audit paperwork. Are you kidding me?? She NEVER said one word to me about this and if she did it would've been a big, fat NO! I wanted to walk out right then but I controlled myself and i'm still at work now. There is a night audit manual that tells you step by step how to do the paperwork and i told him that, but that is the manager's job to show him not mine after i've already worked 16 hours in one day!! I'm writing a letter to the owner about this chick. She is a joke and he needs kick her to the curb!!
tangman99
Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
Remember to be very mature and professional in that letter. Outline things clearly, and without emotion. You will look better that way
That is absolutely correct. If you make if professional and don't show emotion or bitterness, there is a chance he may do something about her. If you just fire off at the hip, he won't even take you serious. I would make it a point to give the owner a letter when you quit explaining exactly why you are quiting and why you feel you have no choice but to not give any notice. If he has a problem with that, there is no hope for that hotel and he won't be owning it very long and he will get exactly what he deserves. You can't stay in business that way.
Remember to be very mature and professional in that letter. Outline things clearly, and without emotion. You will look better that way
That is absolutely correct. If you make if professional and don't show emotion or bitterness, there is a chance he may do something about her. If you just fire off at the hip, he won't even take you serious. I would make it a point to give the owner a letter when you quit explaining exactly why you are quiting and why you feel you have no choice but to not give any notice. If he has a problem with that, there is no hope for that hotel and he won't be owning it very long and he will get exactly what he deserves. You can't stay in business that way.
nyyankeees
Member
Oh my bad, lol. Yes, basically, in a professional way... I called the owner(because he's not at the property everyday) and told him all of my concerns regarding the manager and all the other things like no overtime pay, holiday pay etc.. and that I would not be returning to work(I also put this all in writing and left it for the manager). Of course he asked me not to quit but didn't offer to make any changes or anything, he was only concerned that he had no one else to cover my shifts and he'd most likely end up working them himself. Oh well, you hire shady managment, you pay the price. Now I'm just relaxing until I go back to school on 1/7. Thanks for everyone's advice, you guys rock!!