Whats Carbon For?

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slofish

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Ive run carbon in FW tanks before as a filter. But what does the carbon remove exactly(copper, ammonia, etc?)? Ive heard it'll also remove trace elements from SW tanks along w/ the gunk.
Im contemplating whether running carbon in my reef tank will be beneficial. All info on pros and cons are appreciated. Thanks
SLOfish
 
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puffygrrl

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From what I understand...
It is most effective in tanks with hard and soft corals in which "chemical warfare" occurs between the different types of corals competing for space.
YES, Carbon removes trace elements from your water, but it also makes it crystal clear.
I have been debating on adding it to my tank for awhile now, maybe this thread will help me make my decision finally :)
 

bang guy

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It removes chemical compounds. It has been shown to remove excess trace elements but not completely. It's very beneficial for Terpines as stated above. It will remove the "yellow" tinge from your water if you have a lot of Caulerpa.
 

elfdoctors

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Carbon (or Activated Charcoal) is used (in HUMANS) as a general purpose antidote for practically all oral poisonings except those caused by caustic agents.
Carbon binds well to almost all organic compounds (with methanol and ethanol as a few exceptions). Inorganic chemicals (minerals) can also be absorbed but to a much lower affinity. Once the binding sites are used up no further absorption occurs.
 
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slofish

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so in terms of levels, does it effect ph, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, etc?
 

elfdoctors

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Ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates are all inorganic compounds. pH is a measure of acidity/alkalinity and is primarily inorganic (although there are organic acids). Carbon should have a minimal effect on these (which is why it is safe to give in humans; it doesn't affect your chemistries but can remove toxins).
 

elfdoctors

Active Member
I'm glad I did. Otherwise I probably wouldn't understand half the stuff necessary for saltwater tanks (or be in my career and able to afford them)! I haven't gotten into corals yet but see I'm going to have to brush up with all the chemical supplements needed! I have been impressed that many biologic principles apply for human as well as marine life. (Your blood is saltwater based!:cool: )
The only other small benefit for carbon is that after it has been in the tank for a while and has lost its absorptive properties, it does have a very large surface area. Bacteria will colonize it and will help with biologic filtration (until it gets changed).
 

attml

Active Member
At MACNA this year there was a seminar on Mike Paletta's survey of what are considered to be some of the top 50 reef tanks in the world ("Ultimate Marine Aquariums") *edited*. Basically he looked at the differences and similarities between these top tanks and a few of the conclusions that came from this survey were that we should all be running carbon (especially in mixed systems) and we don't skim enough. Take it for what it's worth. That being said I have always run carbon 24/7 either Balck Diamond or Chemiure and been happy with the results.
 
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slofish

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so if it carbon doesnt control ammonia, nitrates, etc, aside from water changes, how would you keep these levels down if you werent running a skimmer or wet/dry. I guess what im saying is, how do you keep these levels down if you're only using a bio filter thats running carbon.
 

elfdoctors

Active Member
Most of your ammonia and nitrites need to be processed biologically. These wastes cannot be filtered but need to be broken down. Some filters will colonize with bacteria which will do the job. However, if you have live rock this should do the job for you after your tank has cycled (which allows enough buildup of these bacteria to handle a normal tank's waste).
Nitrates will build up from the above processes. These can be removed with 1) a deep sand bed (which will have different bacteria- which break nitrates down to nitrogen, which bubbles away), 2) plant life (algae) or 3) water changes.
Carbon will have little effect on any of these wastes. There are many other compounds which carbon can remove.Evolution has provided marine life with many options for different species to survive. One of them is the development of toxins which prevent other life from living. Some of these will be waterborne. Carbon will remove these compounds and provide another level of security. However, most of these never build up to enough concentration to cause serious problems (particularly as the bacteria in your live rock will also tend to break down a fair amount of toxins also. Once the toxins start to build up, the bacteria that can use them for food break them down and multiply. Once this happens, they would only have a very local effect). The major disadvantage of carbon is that it has to be changed frequently otherwise the compounds just build up again. Many aquarists can't see a difference in their tanks with or without carbon. I see the major advantage would be for someone who is intentionally overstocking their aquarium or for treating a specific problem (like cloudy water).
 

elfdoctors

Active Member
Carbon CAN be reactivated. It basically involves a cooking process that vaporizes the organic material. Some people dry it out and let it sit in hot sunlight or bake it in an oven to recharge it but it is usually cheaper and easier to simply discard it into the compost pile.
 
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