When do you go to heaven?

renogaw

renogaw

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2590533
If you're comfy with your church condemning most the world to hell that's fine with me. I thought it was an interesting question...certainly not a great question but an interesting one at that.

sry jmick, lets not get racial..that's not the question so please don't bring it up.
 
fats71

fats71

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2590500
At death.
On the cross, Jesus told the thief being crucified with Him "Verily I say unto thee, to day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Doesn't get any more clear than that.
(Luke 23:43)
What is paradise if it is not heaven ?
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2590501
where do you see this information?
from everything i've researched, you wait till jesus comes back to earth.
The BIBLE
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2590533
If you're comfy with your church condemning most the world to hell that's fine with me. I thought it was an interesting question...certainly not a great question but an interesting one at that.

Nobody condemns people to hell, but themselves. Not church. Not God. Hell was made for Satan, not people. People choose to go there. It's that simple.
You seem confused on why someone might go to hell. It certainly is not because of church.
Two posts later and you still did not answer the OPs question. Research Christianity some more then check back in.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2590542
because he said directly to the thief...?
The point is that the thief was a sinner and went to heaven immediately upon death because of his acceptance of Jesus Christ. This gift is offered to ALL humanity. All we have to do is accept the gift.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2590518
I find it interesting how the majority of the Christain world is white and the non Christain world is darker skinned...
• The Book of Acts in the Bible describes the Christian conversion of an Ethiopian government official who was visiting in the southern part of what is now Israel. Other historical sources say the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia was founded in the 4th century. It remains one of the oldest continuous Christian churches in the world.
• Today, there are nearly 40 million Orthodox among the 400 million Christians in Africa.
Christianity is not a white religion, as you put it. It actually started with a bunch of Jews. All the authors of the New Testament were Jewish.
 
fats71

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I am American Indian and Italian my wife is black Irish does that mean we are not in the white category or we are. Could you please let me know wtf RACE HAS TO DO WITH GOD ? He sees no color We are created equally.
Read the book of acts and it will tell you how to live a long prosperous life thats what ACTS IS all about how to live our life.
I also havee to disagree from a personal stand point and perrson opinion on who belives more. when I was younger in thhe inner city every africcan american home I went into had a cross or a saying about GOD the mothers were always' praying etc. I would goto the latinos they were the same. The white homes I went into some would but most did nothave anything that relected they were christian or not.
 
jmick

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2590560
Nobody condemns people to hell, but themselves. Not church. Not God. Hell was made for Satan, not people. People choose to go there. It's that simple.
You seem confused on why someone might go to hell. It certainly is not because of church.
Two posts later and you still did not answer the OPs question. Research Christianity some more then check back in.

So you don't need to believe in/worship god and Jesus to go to heaven?
Well, I think the bible is full of contradictions because it's the word of man and not that of god. You can interpret it any way you want; it matters not to me because it's pure fiction. Why even bother answering the question?
 
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tizzo

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2590549
What is paradise if it is not heaven ?
Eden was considered paradise, was it not? Once every ounce of evil leaves the Earth, then it will be as Eden...paradise.
I'm not saying there is no heaven, I dont think it matters WHERE we end up as our purpose will be the same, but there is no mention of humans entering heaven in the bible.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2590592
Eden was considered paradise, was it not? Once every ounce of evil leaves the Earth, then it will be as Eden...paradise.
I'm not saying there is no heaven, I dont think it matters WHERE we end up as our purpose will be the same, but there is no mention of humans entering heaven in the bible.
Jesus stated He was going to sit at the right hand of God. God is in Heaven. If the thief is with Jesus, who is at the right hand of God, then the thief is in heaven.
 
renogaw

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2590549
The BIBLE
it obviously is not so cut and dry. WHERE in the bible does it say you go straight to heaven? there is the one example of on the crucifix yes, but most other passages show everyone waits till judgement day and the return of the savior to get into heaven.
 
fats71

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2590599
Jesus stated He was going to sit at the right hand of God. God is in Heaven. If the thief is with Jesus, who is at the right hand of God, then the thief is in heaven.
Tizz socal beat me to it lol.
John 3:3 says "Unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom of God" (or some translate "heaven")
God's Kingdom is Heaven! There are many scriptures on Heaven. It is described in the last chapter of Revelation, the New Jerusalem.
[ The Beginning ] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1-3 (in Context) Genesis 1 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 2:1
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
Genesis 2:1-3 (in Context) Genesis 2 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 2:4
[ Adam and Eve ] This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens-
Genesis 2:3-5 (in Context) Genesis 2 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 6:17
I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.
Genesis 6:16-18 (in Context) Genesis 6 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
Genesis 7:10-12 (in Context) Genesis 7 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 7:19
They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
Genesis 7:18-20 (in Context) Genesis 7 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 8:2
Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.
Genesis 8:1-3 (in Context) Genesis 8 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 11:4
Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
Genesis 11:3-5 (in Context) Genesis 11 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 14:19
and he blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth.
Genesis 14:18-20 (in Context) Genesis 14 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 14:22
But Abram said to the king of Sodom, "I have raised my hand to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, and have taken an oath
Genesis 14:21-23 (in Context) Genesis 14 (Whole Chapter)
new testement-AFFECTIONS » Should be set upon heavenly things (Colossians 3:1,2)
ASHTORETH » An idol of the Philistines, Zidonians, and Phenicians. Probably identical with queen of heaven (Jeremiah 7:18)
BABES » A symbol of the children of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:2-6; Mark 10:15; Luke 18:17)
CREATION » See HEAVENS
DEW » Called the dew of heaven (Daniel 4:15)
EUNUCH » Those who voluntarily became (continent, probably) for the kingdom of heaven's sake (Matthew 19:12)
GLORIFYING GOD » Heavenly hosts engaged in (Revelations 4:11)
HARP » Heard in heaven, in John's apocalyptic vision (Revelations 5:8;14:2;15:2)
HEAVEN » THE PHYSICAL HEAVENS (Genesis 1:1; Psalms 19:1;50:6;68:33;89:29;97:6;103:11)
HEAVEN » PHYSICAL HEAVENS, DESTRUCTION OF (Job 14:12; Psalms 102:25,26; Isaiah 34:4;51:6; Matthew 5:18;)
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2590591
So you don't need to believe in/worship god and Jesus to go to heaven?
Well, I think the bible is full of contradictions because it's the word of man and not that of god. You can interpret it any way you want; it matters not to me because it's pure fiction. Why even bother answering the question?
Out of respect for space on this thread I'll just post the link. Here is a link that discusses what it means to be a Christian. Please take time to find out what Christianity is about.
http://www.christinyou.net/pages/what2bxn.html
 
fats71

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2590602
it obviously is not so cut and dry. WHERE in the bible does it say you go straight to heaven? there is the one example of on the crucifix yes, but most other passages show everyone waits till judgement day and the return of the savior to get into heaven.

If you seriously want I can post every single one but I do not think it is necessary.
This is what I do not understand. People get upset when someone here ask hey I have a 10 gal tank and a 9 inch tang will it be ok in there or better yet.
I am cycling my tank should I use damsels !!!
People freak out and say read AND research things before you do it or ask it.
Why do people not follow their own advice ?
People always' state the bible is fiction and believing in GOD is the easy way. Well, for those whom believe can surly tell you what it was like before they submitted them self to GOD. They will lose most of their friends they stop doing things as they now see them immoral. They change everything in their life and are constantly attacked for it. I mean if your a Christian at work lets say and you say a profanity people are all like 3 year olds in a classroom covering their mouth saying ummm and pointing..
Christians are not perfect sometimes they are hypocrites sometimes they lie their was only one true perfect being and his name is YESHUA
 
renogaw

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fats, those "heavens" could more likely be understood as the air above the earth. unless you think all that water came from the eternal resting place...
 
renogaw

renogaw

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2590613
If you seriously want I can post every single one but I do not think it is necessary.
This is what I do not understand. People get upset when someone here ask hey I have a 10 gal tank and a 9 inch tang will it be ok in there or better yet.
I am cycling my tank should I use damsels !!!
People freak out and say read AND research things before you do it or ask it.
Why do people not follow their own advice ?
People always' state the bible is fiction and believing in GOD is the easy way. Well, for those whom believe can surly tell you what it was like before they submitted them self to GOD. They will lose most of their friends they stop doing things as they now see them immoral. They change everything in their life and are constantly attacked for it. I mean if your a Christian at work lets say and you say a profanity people are all like 3 year olds in a classroom covering their mouth saying ummm and pointing..
Christians are not perfect sometimes they are hypocrites sometimes they lie their was only one true perfect being and his name is YESHUA

and that has nothing to do with the thread... you need to relax and enjoy a nice conversation that everyone is having. i've shown passages saying that you wait till judgement day, yet no one can show that you go to heaven immediately upon death. i'm just wondering where the idea came from.
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2590610
Out of respect for space on this thread I'll just post the link. Here is a link that discusses what it means to be a Christian. Please take time to find out what Christianity is about.
http://www.christinyou.net/pages/what2bxn.html
Well, I appreciate the link and I'll have to look into or maybe not, I was raised as a Catholic after all. You might want to send that to the 1.5 billion Muslims world wide, or the billion Hindus or the other assorted non white faiths/beliefs who will need this info to get into heaven :rotfl
 
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tizzo

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fatz, I appreciate the concordance reference but I absolutely agree that there IS a heaven. Whether or not we go there is where my question lies.
SoCal, I must admit, what you said hold water.
But again, where you end up makes no difference as your "Purpose" will be the same.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2590602
it obviously is not so cut and dry. WHERE in the bible does it say you go straight to heaven? there is the one example of on the crucifix yes, but most other passages show everyone waits till judgement day and the return of the savior to get into heaven.
In the Old Testament it is true that when you died you went to a place referred to as Abrahams bosom. In the New testament Jesus fulfills the prophecies as the Messiah. When you die, you go to be judged in front of God. Satan will be there. He will accuse you before God for all your sin. Jesus covers your sin with His death on the cross, (He died to do just that) and presents you blameless before God.
If you do not accept Christ as your savior the New Testament does state that you will not enter heaven. "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me."
 
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