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veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3182762
True. OTOH, don't disclude the trillion the Bush administration passed in deficit spending just before he left office.
What I really don't get is that all of that money is borrowed from the Federal Reserve. Are their officers really so stupid as to believe we, the taxpayers, can pay it all back?
Greater empires have failed on lesser ledgers.
All the more reason to vote all these criminals, both democrat and republicans out. I dont think most people see the urgency here.These self serving clowns have had their constituents believing they are listening to and serving in their best interests for so long I think they now believe their own bull crap.Its time for the whole lot of them to go.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3182764
Well, yeah, that's true.
What are you gonna feed your family with when it collapses though?
I'm in an insolated industry. When all these hair brained green energy schemes fail. I'll still have a job. Because people will come running back to the oil industry to save them...
Then they'll just pay us in oil, because the nations economy will be oilized (think dollarization like what they'd do in areas of hyperinflation)
Ok I really don't think that. But you there is that conspiracy theory out there, that the fed is intentionally weakening the dollar so they can afford to repay their debt...
If you can't tell I was being a little sarcastic in my last two comments.
But on a serious political science note. Regarding your Bush comment. I love how people attribute this current problem to Bush, considering who wrote the budget (the House) and who ran the house. And how Bush was a lame duck Prez for the last 2 years...
Second you get a guy who really does try to "reach across the isle" like Bush did. And you get pinned with the bad news. And YET to this day their is a constant drumbeat and attacks from REPUBLICANS that we need to have a big tent. It is insane.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3182878
I'm in an insolated industry. When all these hair brained green energy schemes fail. I'll still have a job. Because people will come running back to the oil industry to save them...
Then they'll just pay us in oil, because the nations economy will be oilized (think dollarization like what they'd do in areas of hyperinflation)
Ok I really don't think that. But you there is that conspiracy theory out there, that the fed is intentionally weakening the dollar so they can afford to repay their debt...
If you can't tell I was being a little sarcastic in my last two comments.
But on a serious political science note. Regarding your Bush comment. I love how people attribute this current problem to Bush, considering who wrote the budget (the House) and who ran the house. And how Bush was a lame duck Prez for the last 2 years...
Second you get a guy who really does try to "reach across the isle" like Bush did. And you get pinned with the bad news. And YET to this day their is a constant drumbeat and attacks from REPUBLICANS that we need to have a big tent. It is insane.
I gotta say reaching across the isle isn't all that easy anymore but at least Bush did try. Obama can't take his nose out of the air long enough to look at the other side. Perhaps if the Dems really get nailed in the mid terms he will get slapped back to reality.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3182878
I'm in an insolated industry. When all these hair brained green energy schemes fail. I'll still have a job. Because people will come running back to the oil industry to save them...
Then they'll just pay us in oil, because the nations economy will be oilized (think dollarization like what they'd do in areas of hyperinflation)
Ok I really don't think that. But you there is that conspiracy theory out there, that the fed is intentionally weakening the dollar so they can afford to repay their debt...
If you can't tell I was being a little sarcastic in my last two comments.
But on a serious political science note. Regarding your Bush comment. I love how people attribute this current problem to Bush, considering who wrote the budget (the House) and who ran the house. And how Bush was a lame duck Prez for the last 2 years...
Second you get a guy who really does try to "reach across the isle" like Bush did. And you get pinned with the bad news. And YET to this day their is a constant drumbeat and attacks from REPUBLICANS that we need to have a big tent.
I'm not attributing the problem to Bush. He certainly didn't create it. I'm merely pointing out that he had a rather significant hand in exacerbating it. Congress may create the budget, but passage of it belongs to the executive branch - you know - that little division of powers thing our founders thought wise...
As for the Fed, there's no conspiracy in their actions at all. They're a private corporation. They're doing what's best for them and their shareholders (who are also private and extremely difficult to determine.)
What's a curiosity to me is how a private corporation came to be in charge of a job Constitutionally appropriated to Congress in the first place. Congress voluntarily gave up the power to coin money and establish its value as outlined in the Constitution? Really? It happened in 1913 and was passed by a Congressional session that did not meet the Constitutional definition of a quarum. Conspiracy? I don't know. Suspicious? I'm inclined to think so. When's the last time you recall a politician voting himself less power?
What's a further curiosity to me is why the Fed is resisting Congressional demands for greater transparency. Even more so, it's that these demands are coming from the D side of the aisle, and the R side is putting up resistance to them as well.
Just one of those things thing that makes me go hmmmm....
It is insane.
Sorry to take you out of context, but I had to.
Both parties are insane. Is it possible to argue insanity logically? The problem itself precedes Obama and Bush both. It's been obvious for about the last 40 years, perhaps longer, and in the making for the last 150-200 or so...
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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So, just for more giggles on the healthcare front, I thought I'd share. I went in yesterday for open enrollment at our company. Due to the workman's comp insurance company putting my back injury on my insurance portfolio, I qualify for this:
$277 premiums, every two weeks-each paycheck.
First $10,000 of any treatment-I pay 100%.
$10,000.01-$20,000 of any treatment-they pay 20%.
$20,000.01-$100,000 of any treatment-they pay 80% up to the $100,000 and then I pay for everything else.
Now remember, these are the b@stards who said there was nothing wrong with me and my back. I contacted the insurance commisioner's office and was told that the insurance companies control insurance portfolios and the state of Arizona can't make them remove the information that Unum is using to base their rates/coverage. So, I guess the anti-reform folks are right, there is no colusion and no monopoly. And everyone who wants insurance can get insurance, right?
 
slf125

slf125

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Originally Posted by mastertech
http:///forum/post/3176985
what happens when an individual gets in debt that she cant repay...........
bankrupt.
what happens when a government gets in debt that she cant repay.........
bankrupt.
if the national debt is $12,026,426,425,269.63 as of now and there are 307,340,??? people in the US. each citizen is in debt $39,000.00 on top of everyones personal average debt of over $50,000-$100,000 where are we headed?
where is the culture? where is responsibility? where is the moral? what now?
Not sure if this was mentioned but the actual debt of the United States, which includes "promises" (social security, medicare, etc.) is actually- everyone sitting?- about 56 trillion dollars. around $109,000 for every single person in the US.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3183252
So, just for more giggles on the healthcare front, I thought I'd share. I went in yesterday for open enrollment at our company. Due to the workman's comp insurance company putting my back injury on my insurance portfolio, I qualify for this:
$277 premiums, every two weeks-each paycheck.
First $10,000 of any treatment-I pay 100%.
$10,000.01-$20,000 of any treatment-they pay 20%.
$20,000.01-$100,000 of any treatment-they pay 80% up to the $100,000 and then I pay for everything else.
Now remember, these are the b@stards who said there was nothing wrong with me and my back. I contacted the insurance commisioner's office and was told that the insurance companies control insurance portfolios and the state of Arizona can't make them remove the information that Unum is using to base their rates/coverage. So, I guess the anti-reform folks are right, there is no colusion and no monopoly. And everyone who wants insurance can get insurance, right?
How can workers comp put your back injury on your private insurance? They should be responsible for any work related injury for life. In any case I fell for you but still oppose Obama's socialist health care scheme.
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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I oppose Obama's healthcare nightmare as well. But the insurance companies have got to have some kind of regulation. BTW, most hospitals and clinics that accept insurance, add treatments/diagnosis to your porfolio everytime you go to them, as do the insurance companies when you have a claim. It's my fault, the workmans comp insurance company and I agreed to have continuing healthcare for my back, but I missed the final hearing to sign the agreement. I thought the hearing was on Tuesday-it was Monday. When I missed the final adjudication meeting, my claim was dismissed by the commisioner.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3183636
I oppose Obama's healthcare nightmare as well. But the insurance companies have got to have some kind of regulation. BTW, most hospitals and clinics that accept insurance, add treatments/diagnosis to your porfolio everytime you go to them, as do the insurance companies when you have a claim. It's my fault, the workmans comp insurance company and I agreed to have continuing healthcare for my back, but I missed the final hearing to sign the agreement. I thought the hearing was on Tuesday-it was Monday. When I missed the final adjudication meeting, my claim was dismissed by the commisioner.
I remember you mentioning that before now, sorry. If you haven't talked to a GOOD comp attorney on this you should. Unless you were missing appointments or what have you all along they would have a hard time denying a petition for a rehearing (the ol lady is in the legal biz) You also need to see if there is a set time for an appeal, that could hose you if it's past the allotted time. From my time living in AZ I don't remember the laws being that hardazz but that's been like 16 years ago.
 
stevedave08

stevedave08

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3183773
I remember you mentioning that before now, sorry. If you haven't talked to a GOOD comp attorney on this you should. Unless you were missing appointments or what have you all along they would have a hard time denying a petition for a rehearing (the ol lady is in the legal biz) You also need to see if there is a set time for an appeal, that could hose you if it's past the allotted time. From my time living in AZ I don't remember the laws being that hardazz but that's been like 16 years ago.
I just thought this was funny.
http://gawker.com/5420175/presenting...yline=true&s=i
 
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