Who speaks hate? You decide.

[oscardeuce]

Bill Maher on the Leno show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9wudzy1-pY:
"wouldn't it be fun... to kill"?
I know Free Speech is Free Speech, but this borders on screaming "fire!" in a crowded theater.
Sick.
I think the left better spend about a week looking in the mirror. Then come out and look at themselves again. Maybe then we can discuss the matters at hand.

 

[mantisman51]

Wow! Finally a left-winger who tells the truth. No names, but I guarantee 2/3 of those on the left here at SWF think the same thing but would never admit it. I am not angry for his stupidity, I am thankful. Finally, a liberal tells the truth! What I find most disturbing is the second amendment is a bad habit, "like alcoholism and s@x addiction". This IS (deny it all you want libs) how libs see the Constitution; an annoying interference to their utopia. BTW, Giffords is moderate in one area(and only one-everything else she says the conservative thing here and goes back to DC and votes the opposite), she voted to keep the "Assault Weapons Accessory Ban" bill from coming up to vote for renewal. That would be the law that banned the large capacity magazines that Leno and Mahr are blaming for this.

 

[mantisman51]

Oh yeah, it still wouldn't have stopped this. The ban only stopped new production and importation. There were already millions and millions of hi-cap mags in the country that were dirt cheap even in the middle of the ban. Like it or not libs, America is a gun country. Always has been and always will be. The criminals have millions of guns and no gun control law will ever stop that. The only thing gun control has ever done is stop law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves. The saddest part of this tragedy is not that the little POS had a hi-cap Glock, it is that there were 30-50 Arizona citizens, all of whom had the legal right to carry concealed weapons, and NOT ONE had a weapon to stop this guy. That is the point we should take from this.

 

[wangotango]

I think Jon Stewart said it best; "If your defense is that the other said does it to, that's not a very good defense."
Bill Mahr doesn't speak for the "left." Rush Limbuagh doesn't speak for the "right." To generalize and say that the words that these people say are the words of EVERYONE on their "side" is a little bit immature I think. I find both of them offensive personally.

 

[wangotango]

I thought it was a good point too. Now days we don't need weapons to form a militia to protect ourselves from the government. The government doesn't shoot up schools and malls. We need them to protect ourselves from ourselves. Given the opportunity to do so, nobody did.
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349445
. The saddest part of this tragedy is not that the little POS had a hi-cap Glock, it is that there were 30-50 Arizona citizens, all of whom had the legal right to carry concealed weapons, and NOT ONE had a weapon to stop this guy. That is the point we should take from this.

 

[oscardeuce]

There were at least 2 CCW citizens there. From what I read the crowd was so close they could not initially return fire. When the killer reloaded, one of them was on him like a spider monkey, while an elderly lady kept held his hand with the magazine to keep him down.
I doubt I would have pulled and fired in that situation. Too easy to miss your target and hit an innocent. Just because you carry does not mean you are obligated to fire, especially is you will injure innocents. Being irresponsible is worse than being deranged.

 

[oscardeuce]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349457
I thought it was a good point too. Now days we don't need weapons to form a militia to protect ourselves from the government. The government doesn't shoot up schools and malls. We need them to protect ourselves from ourselves. Given the opportunity to do so, nobody did.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349445
. The saddest part of this tragedy is not that the little POS had a hi-cap Glock, it is that there were 30-50 Arizona citizens, all of whom had the legal right to carry concealed weapons, and NOT ONE had a weapon to stop this guy. That is the point we should take from this.
Again, they did what they were trained to do, asses the situation and respond. I'm 6'3" and 285 lbs, if I was there and near him the best thing to do would be sit on him!
In Ohio the law is double silly. In fact in this situation the law would have most likely outlawed CCW in that venue. I'd have to check, but you see the signs everywhere telling you not to bring your CCW on to the property. As to the Az law, I'm not sure.
Better research the local laws and the situation a bit before you make accusations they did nothing.

 

[monsinour]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349445
The saddest part of this tragedy is not that the little POS had a hi-cap Glock, it is that there were 30-50 Arizona citizens, all of whom had the legal right to carry concealed weapons, and NOT ONE had a weapon to stop this guy. That is the point we should take from this.
oh dear lord are you nutz. stay away from me and my kids please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349449
I think Jon Stewart said it best; "If your defense is that the other said does it to, that's not a very good defense."
Bill Mahr doesn't speak for the "left." Rush Limbuagh doesn't speak for the "right." To generalize and say that the words that these people say are the words of EVERYONE on their "side" is a little bit immature I think. I find both of them offensive personally.
Mahr and limburger say the thbing that they say for ratings. It is entirely possible that they do not actually believe the things that they say. These 2 are in the entertainment business. Their goal is to sell their product. By saying provacative things, it makes you talk about it and spread the word of what they said. Think of it this way, Howard stern wouldnt be as popular as he is now without some of the outlandish things he said that got repeated so long ago.

 

[mantisman51]

Only restriction is you can't carry weapons inside a building that is marked as such or a fenced area that is marked "no carry". Wango, are you ready to have you lefty liver scared? "The private ownership of firearms is the difference between citizens and subjects" Thomas Jefferson, March 1803.

"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
John F. Kennedy, April 1960
We are guaranteed the right to keep guns to protect ourselves from the tyrants, sheeple like the lefty's love to elect. "Ooooh, he must be a militia nut"!

 

[wangotango]

You make it sound like I said everyone just sat around and watched. They tackled him. That was a good outcome. Had the situation been different, given an opportunity, would the people carrying the concealed weapons be able to react and take the shooter down? I don't know, you don't know.

 

[monsinour]

at what point do you realize that your nutz? seriously, when?
When was the last time you needed a semi automatic weapon to take out bambi hunting? When was the last time any kind of any war was fought on our shores that the citizens of this county needed to respond with gunfire?
While the right to be stupid is granted by the constitution, you have the option to not be stupid.

 

[mantisman51]

Clearly, JFK is one of the stupidest men alive then, right?

 

[wangotango]

I made a comment about concealed weapons (a comment neither for nor against them) and I'm a lefty? I'm a registered republican. I voted for McCain in 2008 haha. Seriously?

Don't preach your innocence if you're no better than anyone else assigning labels to people who don't agree with you. Not once did I say "oh you and your righty gun lovin."
Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349472
Only restriction is you can't carry weapons inside a building that is marked as such or a fenced area that is marked "no carry". Wango, are you ready to have you lefty liver scared? "The private ownership of firearms is the difference between citizens and subjects" Thomas Jefferson, March 1803.
"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
John F. Kennedy, April 1960
We are guaranteed the right to keep guns to protect ourselves from the tyrants, sheeple like the lefty's love to elect. "Ooooh, he must be a militia nut"!

 

[wangotango]

I don't even see how referencing JFK and the second amendment was even relevant to our discussion....
Those crazy tyrant lefties. I know.... We live in dangerous times...... The Democrats just drove by my house patrolling the streets making sure order is maintained.... Meanwhile I can watch any TV channel I want, listen to any music I want, practice any religion I want, go to any school I want, saying how awesome or how crazy our government is, vote for which politician I want, or read any book I want. Tyrants? Give me a break....

 

[monsinour]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349472
Only restriction is you can't carry weapons inside a building that is marked as such or a fenced area that is marked "no carry". Wango, are you ready to have you lefty liver scared? "The private ownership of firearms is the difference between citizens and subjects" Thomas Jefferson, March 1803.
"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
John F. Kennedy, April 1960
We are guaranteed the right to keep guns to protect ourselves from the tyrants, sheeple like the lefty's love to elect. "Ooooh, he must be a militia nut"!
taking that speach and analyzing society at the time, it makes sense. Korea just ended or was about to end, communism was the #1 hate, and jingoism was running rampant.
JFK: ", in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country." I ask why? in todays times, why? we have the largest military on the planet that is more than capable of defending us and everything we are interested in. I do not see the need for every citizen to carry a weapon. There are far too many nut jobs out there in this country that if they carried a weapon, there would be far fewer people in this country. Should guns be outlawed? No. Should the assault rifles, semi automatic weapons, and all the rediculous weapons be banned? Absolutely. Defense for you and your family can be solved with a shotgun, 12 gage rifle, or a simple hand gun. Can you go hunting with those guns, sure. But when do you need a magazine that holds more than 10 bullets to go hunting? If you need to fire more than 1 shot when hunting, you need target practice.

 

[darthtang aw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349482
When was the last time any kind of any war was fought on our shores that the citizens of this county needed to respond with gunfire?
Because it has not happened in a long while, does not mean it can not. 9/11 should have shown you anything can still happen on our shores, even with our great military.
Your statement is ridiculous. I can follow the same logic and respond with, "when was the last time global warming or climate change wiped out the human race?". When was the last time we didn't have a a budget deficit, obviously the deficit does not matter.

 

[geoj]

Quote:
Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349440
Bill Maher on the Leno show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9wudzy1-pY:
"wouldn't it be fun... to kill"?
I know Free Speech is Free Speech, but this borders on screaming "fire!" in a crowded theater.
Sick.
I think the left better spend about a week looking in the mirror. Then come out and look at themselves again. Maybe then we can discuss the matters at hand.
Vampires have no reflection ...

 

[darthtang aw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoJ http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349503
Quote:
Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349440
Bill Maher on the Leno show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9wudzy1-pY:
"wouldn't it be fun... to kill"?
I know Free Speech is Free Speech, but this borders on screaming "fire!" in a crowded theater.
Sick.
I think the left better spend about a week looking in the mirror. Then come out and look at themselves again. Maybe then we can discuss the matters at hand.
Vampires have no reflection ...
They don't shimmer either.............

 

[reefraff]

Mahr says the most hateful stuff of anyone I can think of with a national audience and he calls the other side dangerous?

 

[monsinour]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349501
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/383184/who-speaks-hate-you-decide#post_3349482
When was the last time any kind of any war was fought on our shores that the citizens of this county needed to respond with gunfire?
Because it has not happened in a long while, does not mean it can not. 9/11 should have shown you anything can still happen on our shores, even with our great military.
Your statement is ridiculous. I can follow the same logic and respond with, "when was the last time global warming or climate change wiped out the human race?". When was the last time we didn't have a a budget deficit, obviously the deficit does not matter.
your statement is rediculous and irrelevant. I was pointing out that the argument to need weapons was not needed at this point in time as no one is going to be rolling up on our shores trying to take over. Terrorist attacks are unpredictable and the acts of crazy cowards. You cant account for everything but I can garuntee you and your kids that while we and they are alive, no one will be pulling up to our shores and rolling out troops in an attempt to take over our country. Get real and make a point with your arguement, attempt to be relevant.