Whole new level of irritation...

[smartorl]

There are proper channels to enter this country or any other legally. Yes, they are just trying to feed their families..........so am I.
I pay out a large portion of my paycheck for taxes on my wages.
My father was in the tile and marble importation and installation business for 40 years, a business handed down from my grandfather. My father lost that business because he was required to pay taxes, workman's comp, liability insurance, auto insurance, property taxes, incorporation fees..........being undercut on jobs by crews of illegals that charged less than what it cost him to "do" the job with his legal overhead. They would work without permits, they would work without any regard for any of the limitations of the American business owner.
For those of us citizens slogging away trying to earn a living the legal way it is a slap in the face. They make a slave wage? That's about what I earn after paying taxes and other costs associated with being an American citizen.
Why am I paying so much so THEIR children can get an education and healthcare without paying taxes when I worry about keeping food on MY table?
Yes, our country was founded on certain beliefs, however, I don't think the idea behind being a haven for others came with the price tag of screwing our own to below the poverty level.

 

[smartorl]

I'll get off my soapbox now......
In response to the op, I think the bar owner is doing is what alot of people are doing. They recognize the problems within our country, the flaws, the shortcomings, the failures, yet it stops there as the same behaviors are perpetuated in their own lives for the reasons of convenience and greed.

 

[fraggle rock]

Depending on what kind of remodeling/construction she is having done I would think she would need permit(s).
This is a good point, who pulle dthe permits if any were even pulled. Even if the owner is playing contracto herself permits should be pulled. You want to do something tip code enforcment, they crawl all over the operation, not just permits for the work , whos doing it, how are they paid, and so on, dependintg on the code enforer.
Food for thought.
Guess the quote link and I are getting along today

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by smartorl
http:///forum/post/3147854
There are proper channels to enter this country or any other legally. Yes, they are just trying to feed their families..........so am I.
I pay out a large portion of my paycheck for taxes on my wages.
My father was in the tile and marble importation and installation business for 40 years, a business handed down from my grandfather. My father lost that business because he was required to pay taxes, workman's comp, liability insurance, auto insurance, property taxes, incorporation fees..........being undercut on jobs by crews of illegals that charged less than what it cost him to "do" the job with his legal overhead. They would work without permits, they would work without any regard for any of the limitations of the American business owner.
For those of us citizens slogging away trying to earn a living the legal way it is a slap in the face. They make a slave wage? That's about what I earn after paying taxes and other costs associated with being an American citizen.
Why am I paying so much so THEIR children can get an education and healthcare without paying taxes when I worry about keeping food on MY table?
Yes, our country was founded on certain beliefs, however, I don't think the idea behind being a haven for others came with the price tag of screwing our own to below the poverty level.
Well said!

 

[zman1]

+1
A personal example - Sorry to hear of the loss of an American Family Business. Doing all of the right things, only to be undercut by illegal actions of CHEAP DOCTRINE....

 

[reefraff]

I'd turn the Hypocrite in. I have what I assume is a Mexican crew here as we speak building my pond. They don't speak English well but they do speak it. Before the job started I asked the company if they were using legal labor. I guess they got nailed years ago and don't care to go through that again. In talking to the leader of the crew he has worked for the company for a long time so I suspect he is at least legal, he is driving one of their trucks so I am sure he has a license.
After the fact I found out the crew that did my roofing job was mostly illegals. There was a huge hail storm that came through the Denver area last summer and again this year. Every house on my new block has had a new roof except one and on the block where my other house is all but a couple had new roofs as well. I guess anyone who knows how to pound a nail through a shingle is here, illegals included. The guy at the roofing company told me they had to get what what they could hire, yet another reason not to use them again

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3147887
he is driving one of their trucks so I am sure he has a license.
I wouldnt bet on that in a heartbeat! They have arrested many company owners around here for letting illegals with no license or insurance drive their trucks.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3147910
I wouldnt bet on that in a heartbeat! They have arrested many company owners around here for letting illegals with no license or insurance drive their trucks.
Unless the owner is a moron I would assume it. If they got in a wreck could you imagine the lawsuit?n Ying!!!

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3147922
Unless the owner is a moron I would assume it. If they got in a wreck could you imagine the lawsuit?n Ying!!!
My truck was involved in an accident? I was wondering where it was. I didn't know it was stolen at the time - officer
I HAD a co-worker/friend that was killed in Dayton Ohio by an illegal w/out a driver’s license or insurance. Crossed the median on I-75 about 5 years ago. Her van crossed the highway and killed him. She was taken to the hospital. That was the last they saw of her, she walked out and vanished....

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3147943
My truck was involved in an accident? I was wondering where it was. I didn't know it was stolen at the time - officer
I HAD a co-worker/friend that was killed in Dayton Ohio by an illegal w/out a driver’s license or insurance. Crossed the median on I-75 about 5 years ago. Her van crossed the highway and killed him. She was taken to the hospital. That was the last they saw of her, she walked out and vanished....
While not killed my sister get her back messed up by a hit and run on the 405 freeway in cali. The cops told her the car that hit her was driven into Mexico. I assume they must be tracking plate numbers or something.
Yeah, I want to see that business owner get away with the stolen vehicle claim when the accident happens during business hours. Not to say it couldn't happen but I can't imagine many companies are going to take that kind of a chance.

 

[crypt keeper]

Smartori hit the nail on the head. People who defend these people are insane. They do nothing but take. They dont pay anything back. Stuff hits the fan. They go back home. They font care

 

[smartorl]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3147947
While not killed my sister get her back messed up by a hit and run on the 405 freeway in cali. The cops told her the car that hit her was driven into Mexico. I assume they must be tracking plate numbers or something.
Yeah, I want to see that business owner get away with the stolen vehicle claim when the accident happens during business hours. Not to say it couldn't happen but I can't imagine many companies are going to take that kind of a chance.
Many companies do take that chance!!!!! I hate to break it to you but had one of the illegals been injured on your roof it could have been your butt on the line! The burden of asking for proper documentation with regard to insurance, citizenship, permitting, and licensing for any company or individual working on your property ultimately falls to the homeowner. In summary, it's not their fault for being illegal, it would be yours for not checking. It's ridiculous. How would you like to have a lein placed on your home because your contractor used illegals and one was paralized? Happened to a friend of mine after the hurricanes. Every time these illegals step onto a job without liability insurance it is a gamble. The losses that can happen in moments by far exceeds the cost of a fender bender. The guy would simply be jailed for no license and insurance and simply deported. The fines to be paid by the vehicle owner would be minimal compared to what he saved in not being legal.....there is no downside for these people.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by smartorl
http:///forum/post/3147854
There are proper channels to enter this country or any other legally. Yes, they are just trying to feed their families..........so am I.
I pay out a large portion of my paycheck for taxes on my wages.
My father was in the tile and marble importation and installation business for 40 years, a business handed down from my grandfather. My father lost that business because he was required to pay taxes, workman's comp, liability insurance, auto insurance, property taxes, incorporation fees..........being undercut on jobs by crews of illegals that charged less than what it cost him to "do" the job with his legal overhead. They would work without permits, they would work without any regard for any of the limitations of the American business owner.
For those of us citizens slogging away trying to earn a living the legal way it is a slap in the face. They make a slave wage? That's about what I earn after paying taxes and other costs associated with being an American citizen.
Why am I paying so much so THEIR children can get an education and healthcare without paying taxes when I worry about keeping food on MY table?
Yes, our country was founded on certain beliefs, however, I don't think the idea behind being a haven for others came with the price tag of screwing our own to below the poverty level.

Last word and I will let it be....
The ones that make it possible for illegal’s to do anything, are the Americans who hire them. I personally don't hire anyone.
Nor do I blame the illegal employee. I am saying...if I were them, I would try to get work here and send money home...we all would if we were in their shoes.
If I wrecked a car and hurt someone, messed up a roofing job...I would run away as well...they can't afford food, how can they pay the liability? If I were them I would run too.
So who is at fault?...IMO…the American that broke the law and hired them. The homeowner who was not too picky about who does the work as long as it is in a good price range.
I have been the homeowner who couldn't afford the insured contractor...I hired my nephew. He didn't finish the job. Oh well, I got what I paid for. I did not hire an illegal worker, but I can understand why others would. I certainly understand why a person would try and find work here. The pittance they make here is a fortune in their country.
We are all just trying to feed our families and survive. I try and do things the right way. I can’t force others to do things my way, and I can only control myself in the end. Personally I would NEVER turn anyone in. To each his own.

 

[beth]

The whole illegal alien thing is so much bigger then just hiring illegals from across the border. The invasion of illegals in to our country, and culture effects us on every level possible.

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3148144
The whole illegal alien thing is so much bigger then just hiring illegals from across the boarder. The invasion of illegals in to our country, and culture effects us on every level possible.
Beth...It's "border"

 

[aw2x3]

I'm glad this thread was well recieved, by you guys and that we were able to keep it civil. All day, today, I was wondering if I was going to be banned, when I returned to the site...or if the thread was gonna be locked.
Evidentally, today, there was a huge ruckus about this, in town. I'm not sure of the outcome, but I hope the crew is no longer here and working.
A personal example, I have, of why it irritates me...
I very close friend of mine is Australian. He was "imported" by Shedd Aquarium, in Chicago, as he was the top of his field. He was brought over on a work visa and lived here many years. Met his wife, bought a house, had a liscense, etc.
One day, he walked into work, only to find out his entire dept was fired, as they were "no longer needed" and he was told "Good luck, go back to Australia". Now, as you can imagine, this was a horrible blow to him.
Legally, he came here. Legally, he worked here. Legally, he paid taxes here. Then, one day...go home.
It took him over a year and over $5,000, to get his permanent residence.
My problem is only with people who enter this country illegally and use and all means, to do so.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/3148144
The whole illegal alien thing is so much bigger then just hiring illegals from across the border. The invasion of illegals in to our country, and culture effects us on every level possible.
I am all for introducing the kiddies to foreign culture and stuff but shouldn't we teach them English first? My grandson has to take spanish classes 2 days a week, he is in Kindergarten.

The whole idea about the quotas was to try to balance the influx of immigrants so they would be assimilated into our culture, not change it to theirs one reagion at a time.

 

[aw2x3]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3148229
I am all for introducing the kiddies to foreign culture and stuff but shouldn't we teach them English first? My grandson has to take spanish classes 2 days a week, he is in Kindergarten.

That's straight rediculous!
It won't be long and Americans will be the minority, in this country.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by AW2x3
http:///forum/post/3148232
That's straight rediculous!
It won't be long and Americans will be the minority, in this country.
The Crazy thing about it is you would expect it to be LA, Arizona or Texas. He lives in Georgia

 

[t316]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3148233
The Crazy thing about it is you would expect it to be LA, Arizona or Texas. He lives in Georgia

I'm in NC, and it's the same way. Total BS...
And every teller machine, gas pump, and any other automated machine around here for that matter, wants to know if you would like to "proceed in English or Spanish". I'm like, you got to be kidding...are we in America or Mexico???
I wish I had it saved somewhere, but there's a Ted Nugent quote somewhere out there where he addresses this topic. I read it years ago, but it made a big impact.