Who's good with stocks??

soto

Member
i stopped payin attention to that stuff awhile ago and have let my stocks & mutual fund accounts just sit around. but i wanna start puttin some more $$$ into em. maybe bonds too. or who knows....maybe i'll just throw X amount into a new 401k plan.
i just looked at a bank statement and found that i'm spending WAYYYYYYY too much money on nothin special.
can anyone give me some good general portfolio advice? i'm in sales so my income fluctuates a lot.
 

phixer

Active Member
Originally Posted by soto
i stopped payin attention to that stuff awhile ago and have let my stocks & mutual fund accounts just sit around. but i wanna start puttin some more $$$ into em. maybe bonds too. or who knows....maybe i'll just throw X amount into a new 401k plan.
i just looked at a bank statement and found that i'm spending WAYYYYYYY too much money on nothin special.
can anyone give me some good general portfolio advice? i'm in sales so my income fluctuates a lot.
Depends on how much time before you need the funds really, dollar cost averaging works well over time because you buy more when its down, think of the stock as being on sale. You must be selective though.
Diverisify, and start a Roth IRA.
Too much to list here, take a look at some of Susie Ormans books, they have helped me out. Same for the Rich Dad / Poor Dad series.
 

lovethesea

Active Member
Originally Posted by soto
i stopped payin attention to that stuff awhile ago and have let my stocks & mutual fund accounts just sit around. but i wanna start puttin some more $$$ into em. maybe bonds too. or who knows....maybe i'll just throw X amount into a new 401k plan.
i just looked at a bank statement and found that i'm spending WAYYYYYYY too much money on nothin special.
can anyone give me some good general portfolio advice? i'm in sales so my income fluctuates a lot.

hmmm.....there was somone here awhile ago that does pretty good financial planning, but don't know where he went
 

tangman99

Active Member
I've posted quite a bit about stocks (do a search), but I'm a very unorthodox investor. I only invest in stocks and a large part of my investing is buying and flipping a stock in a short time based on technical analysis. I'm not a daytrader as I may hold a stock for several weeks but usually just a few days. Not advised unless you have a lot experience and can detach your emotions. I also do a lot of short selling so I often make money on a stock in both directions.
 

soto

Member
i think i'd wanna pull the money out in about 20 years cause i'll probably retire then. i've studied rich dad/poor dad but not in much detail. read the book several times and i respect his overall attitude towards passive income as probably the greatest financial advise one could give.
thing is, i just got this 401k plan cause i started this new company about 3 weeks ago. i plan on rollin over the 401K from my last job.
i think.
hell, i dunno.
this new 401K plan has a giant folder from Openheimer. there's a lott've stuff to pick from. i guess i just dunno if i should just let randomly pick crap to invest in or if i should start getting more hands-on with this stuff. especially cause stocks have started making a comeback in the last year.
 

poppins

New Member
i actually work for a software company that use a tool that helps u invest in stocks and funds.I personally only have a roth ira. probably your best bet is to stick it in mediocur return mutual fund. like somthin that reflects the S&P 500 index. its all acordin to how ballsy u are 2.like the guy above said if u keep diversified with ur portfolio u do much better.
 

tangman99

Active Member
If you really don't know, talk to a financial advisor. I've always rolled 401k's into an IRA rollover account where I have free reign to buy anything I want. 401k's in themselves are pretty restrictive depending on who offers the plan. I've been in some that only had 8 or 10 funds to choose from up to one's that have several hundred. As I like stocks over mutual funds, I elect to rollover to my IRA rollover brokerage account I have at Etrade and buy all stocks. The only mutual funds I own are what's in my current 401k.
For most people, diversification is the way to go because most people do not know how to select stocks and take the time to put the effort into managing their porfolio. That is fine and why diversification is their best approach. Buying a stock is easy. Selling it is 10 times harder.
 

clsimons29

Member
Originally Posted by soto
i stopped payin attention to that stuff awhile ago and have let my stocks & mutual fund accounts just sit around. but i wanna start puttin some more $$$ into em. maybe bonds too. or who knows....maybe i'll just throw X amount into a new 401k plan.
i just looked at a bank statement and found that i'm spending WAYYYYYYY too much money on nothin special.
can anyone give me some good general portfolio advice? i'm in sales so my income fluctuates a lot.

First thing I would recomend for you is to find someone to work with you in helping you make planning decisions since you seem to be on the right track of knowing you need to do something but seem to be unsure of how. You can find more information than you can handle on the internet and it can be a great tool for helping educate yourself but you should look for personal advice for your situation that you can not get via the internet or messageboards. You should interview several planners and find one that you feel comfortable with. If you have succesful friends ask who they use but keep in mind right for your friend is not always right for you. You can work with a traditional insurance person, broker, or banker that can typically give you good information and direction to your questions but keep in mind they are paid when you buy something from them, I do believe that most in sales are ethical and have the best interest of their clients in mind but make sure you are comfortable with how they get paid. Also look for designations such as CLU - chartered life underwiter, ChFC - Chartered financial consultant, CFP - Certified financial planner - and MSFS - Master of science in financial services. All of these are legitimate designations and show that the person has taken considerable time in personal education. Keep in mind these do not guarantee anything just shows the person has additional education in the financial services field, and their are thousands of other designations but these are the most common credible designations.
Lastly you can work with a registered investment adviser for planning. This is were you will pay a fee for the advice you are given and generally will contain some type of financial planning documents. In this capacity you should recieve a form call ADV part 2 before any advice is given which contains all the information on the advisor such and business activities, fees, and disciplinarian history. You will also have to sign a advisory contract which details the business relationship and such. Usually in this capacity an adviser works with a fiduciary capacity that means they can legally ONLY act in your best interest and as such are held to a higher legal standard than non-advisory relationships. Fee based advisors can be fee only or fee & commision based. If fee only any product needs would be referred out to other providers generally known to the planner, if fee & commision you can buy any product needs directly from the planner, keep in mind if a fee based planner does sell you a product it must be seperate from the fee based planning and is not covered under the agreement ie. no fiduciary duty, which is not possible because of the commision involved.
Keep in mind that many fee based planners have client minimums for planning such as net worth and minimum investable assets before they will directly advise on an investment account, common mins of $100k to $1 million and will typically chare a % fee of assets under management.
Regardless of what type of advisor you choose I encourage you to build a relationship with an advisor you can trust, work to educate yourself in investing, and save as much money as you can. I'm sorry I can not help you more other than the generic advice that has already been posted as in my capacity I can not give individual investment advice out in this forum. Good Luck!
 

soto

Member
Originally Posted by cunningham
Stocks I Like Are Ford (f) And Sirius Sat Radio (siri)
i already have a bunch of Sirius. i got it when howard made the announcement a couple years back and should have sold 2 months later. it went from $3.50 to $9.60. but of course i'm stupid and i still have em now that they're back down to $4.00
hey! i lived in fountain valley! right off ellis & bushard. right on bro.
 

soto

Member
Originally Posted by clsimons29
You should interview several planners and find one that you feel comfortable wFirst thing I would recomend for you is to find someone to work with...

wow! thanx bro. that was some pretty helpful info and i think i will contact a good advisor
 

cunningham

Member
Originally Posted by soto
i already have a bunch of Sirius. i got it when howard made the announcement a couple years back and should have sold 2 months later. it went from $3.50 to $9.60. but of course i'm stupid and i still have em now that they're back down to $4.00
hey! i lived in fountain valley! right off ellis & bushard. right on bro.
always remember you can never get hurt with a profit! i think sirius might buyout xm but who knows! i live on magnolia and slater. good luck
 

soto

Member
magnolia & slater.......that's near the family fun center! man, i can't believe they took out the super speed slide for a stupid ferris wheel! ferris wheels don't make any sense. they're just circular elevators.
 

vanos

Member
Originally Posted by cunningham
Stocks I Like Are Ford (f) And Sirius Sat Radio (siri)
He wants to make money not lose it all. Only kidding.....
If you look at my profile, you will see that I love Finance.
Soto, I like your attitude and I wish more people would have the same perspective.
Remember,
A dollar saved is a dollar earned tomorrow. Many people don't understand compounding and time is on your side because you are only 28.
Please post your 401k mutual fund selections from the Oppenheimer portfolio in your 401k?
Ticker symbols are fine or you can post the funds. I believe you are 28 so imo, you can and should be the most aggressive now.
Put 15%-20% of your salary in your 401k.
Put the max into a roth IRA. If you can't put the max, start with $100/month. I would choose a total stock market portfolio fund which includes every traded company in the US and not tweak it. i.e. vanguard or fidelity total stock market index fund
I'm 30 and have most of my 401k and IRA money spread across domestic and international index small and large cap stocks with a big stress on Value. I also have money in emerging markets. I stick to mostly index funds with expense ratios around 0.50% with no 12-B 1 fees and no loads. I don't like actively managed funds because the majority of fund managers can't even beat their index and fees they charge will slowly erode your money over time. THIS IS A FACT!!!!!!
If you prefer, I can give you my personal e-mail address to communicate. Regards, VANOS
 

clsimons29

Member
I do agree with part of the information Vanos has given you and the strategy he takes will work for many investors over the long term and their is nothing "wrong" with his suggestions, and please keep in mind this is not a flame to Vanos simply a different perspective.
Investing for financial solvency for the long term involves much more than simply what return can I get on an investment, fees paid, and how much is saved in one account vs. another. I have seen many successful investors not achieve their goals simply by not adequately taking care of one or more areas of their financial life by ignoring one risk and over emphasizing another risk. I.e. under estimating the risk/cost for a major health or disability claim or not diversifying and over emphasizing on "losing" money in the market or dying in a plane crash. This is were I once again encourage you to seek a competent financial adviser that can help you take your total financial situation into perspective. With that in mind, cost are important in making any decision but "low price" is typically not the most important factor, if it were we would all be driving sub-compact cars and eating mac & cheese every night. It is about "Value" received for services for the cost paid. Case in point, no one said "well at least I am only paying 50 bps (0.50%)" when the funds mentioned lost 44% of their price value from 2001 to 2002 or asking what was the premium? when delivering a life insurance death claim that helps a family maintain their standard of living or "at least I didn't pay any 12b-1 fees" when I lost all my money in Enron stock. The main reasons people do not make money in the market is simply by not staying in it for the long term, chasing returns, and not diversifying properly. Case in point follow the cash inflows & outflows into large cap funds in mid/late 1990s, bond funds in 00-02, real estate, metal, mid/small cap, international and commodities (oil/gas) 2003-2006, and the emphasize on value stocks vs. growth stocks when price multiples show that many value stocks are overbought (though value does continue to outperform growth) and look at advertising, does it appeal to greed and/or fear? Listen to a gold advertisment lately? Buy high and sell low is exactly what many investors do, even while saying buy low & sell high. I do believe that no-load, load funds, index's, EFTs and individual securities each have their place in the investment arena and when they are appropriate to an individual investor and I encourage you to learn more in finding out what is right for YOU. If you really like to work on analyzing an investment look into these terms, Alpha, Beta, Sharpe or Traynor ratio, mean, standard deviation and R-squared, and you can also apply an efficient frontier model for your funds, (I don't necessarily agree w everything in model but is a whole other subject) Whether you choose to manage your own assets or hire an adviser always keep in mind as my grandfather would tell me "never spend $5 in time & hassle to save a $1" A competent financial advisor that is truly concerned about your financial well being can be an invaluable asset to you, whether your choose full service or simply as a guide to help educate yourself in managing your own investments and financial affairs and yes you will pay them for their service because free financial/investment advice is generally worth what you paid for it. Wishing you the best.
 

soto

Member
damn! you guys are good!! i left my portfolio thingee at home but i'll post what it says tomorrow. thanx again!!!
 

soto

Member
ok here's the following Oppenheimer Class C funds i can choose from:
core bond
emerging growth
global fund
growth fund
high-yield
international growth
midcap
quest balanced
real asset
real estate
small and mid-cap
emerging technology
portfolio series active allocation
portfolio series aggressive investor
portfolio series conservative investor
portfolio series moderate investor
for now i'm just gonna 75% in the moderate investor, 15% to high-yield, and 10% into core bonds.
kewl thing is that i can go online and change up the stradegy at anytime so if you all think i should then lemme know. thanx again!
 
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