Why is Obama considered African American

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/2827504
You know what is stupid, I don't like when I get called sir. But that it is because it is from some 20 year old kid and it just reminds me how old I am.

But then it is a different way of life out here.
I had a job one summer and during break time I hung out with all the black people. They said I was like a beam of light in the shadows.

(Don't take offense Rebel.

)
when we moved to atlanta when i was 14 there were only a handful of white students at our school i got called honkey, cracker, pasty little white girl,the list goes on and yes i am a little jaded about this subject, when my parents complained to the school board about it they got laughed at. i will always be called white by other races -i am not referred to as caucasian american( nor do i want to be) so i won't call a black person an african american

 

[tang master]

Originally Posted by jeanheckle
http:///forum/post/2827379
I wasn't saying he should be white, again I am asking a serious question. Please don't make my question something it wasn't intended to be.
let me ask you this, why would you ever bring up a pointless question like this in the first place(with all due respect)? And just to re-answer your question the right way, He looks black and is african but know one knows if he is american or not. so he is actually just, black.

 

[wfd1008]

i thought his mother was from kansas, so wouldn't that make him a kansian?

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by Tang Master
http:///forum/post/2827582
let me ask you this, why would you ever bring up a pointless question like this in the first place(with all due respect)? And just to re-answer your question the right way, He looks black and is african but know one knows if he is american or not. so he is actually just, black.
Regardless of what you think of the question, it has sparked some interesting responses, perhaps you should actually read some of them.

 

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by wfd1008
http:///forum/post/2827590
i thought his mother was from kansas, so wouldn't that make him a kansian?

 

[rebelprettyboy]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2827530
Where do you come up with Arab????
Scotts, it may seem old fashioned, but I allways made sure my son's friends call my wife and I Mr. and Mrs. As I did with my friends parents when I grew up. Personally turns my gut to hear a kid call an adult by their first name. Maybe it's my Southern upbringing?

I tihnk it is a Southern thing. Im turning 20 and any adult I speak with 21 up I just dont even notice but I say Sir and Ma'am... Its just something I was taught to do when growing up

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by rebelprettyboy
http:///forum/post/2827614
I tihnk it is a Southern thing. Im turning 20 and any adult I speak with 21 up I just dont even notice but I say Sir and Ma'am... Its just something I was taught to do when growing up
Heck I just turned 45 and I still do it. Just seems proper and respectful to me.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by MichaelTX
http:///forum/post/2827469
I look past race to me there is no reason to bring up if a person is black or white unless you are describing a robbery or something to the police that they need to know that. To me everyone is a sir or a ma'm not black or white. Of course if I know them their name is always a good thing to call them LOL
Mike

Originally Posted by rebelprettyboy
http:///forum/post/2827487
+1
Usually it's at the park, after school. Parents of all colors and ethnicities huddle together, then some kid comes in and tells us all that some kid was throwing sand in peoples eyes. First question out of everyones mouth is "who was it" and the child answers with a name. Of course the parents don't recognize the kid's name so we need another form of identification. Hair color doesn't work because here in socal most everyone has black or very dark brown hair. Black, white, asian, mexican (hispanic if you prefer) is the best way to determine who is the perp. White narrows it down fairly fast, as does black and asian. It is simply the easiest way to identify a person and all the PC in the world simply will not change that fact.
Jenny, Wonderbread was one of my favs!
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2827511
HOLY SMOKE SOCAL, do i detect a NEW AVITAR? How many years have you had the other one?
I had my AR-15 up for a few minutes just for jmick.
I've tried a couple others, one being a very young ricordea, and the infamous Offlist Lower Race of 2005-2006.

 

[reefraff]

I refuse to refer to anyone a -American. Your either an American or your not.
Heard a great interview with Whoopi Goldberg where she said she didn't want the hyphen because she felt it somehow took away from the fact she is an American.

 

[jaymz]

well its probably because there has not been a word used to describe some one mixed african and caucassian that wasnt demeaning.
Plus i think this country the 'melting pot' that it is is still considered by many(here and across the globe) to be a country of white people with some 'minorities'. So if you are not obviously white then you would have to be african/latin/asain american.
Im not saying this is what I think, it just seems to me to be that way.

 

[morval]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2827468
obama is 50 percent white ,arab and then black, I cannot consider him an african american. doesnt really matter though
i dont understand this? obama is not from a arabic speaking country so hes not arab, if you ment muslim; hes not and its totally differant from arab.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by morval
http:///forum/post/2828023
i dont understand this? obama is not from a arabic speaking country so hes not arab, if you ment muslim; hes not and its totally differant from arab.
the whole question is silly to me... its like some people want to take away the significance of the moment. He is a black man... A matter of fact... the majority of mixed raced individuals consider themselves black... Furthermore, the majority of african americans are of mixed race, meaning that they are not 100% african...
The ranges very depending on where in the country the sample is taken...
but the ranges as follows:
African Americans in the United States percent of Caucasion mixed ancestory is 12%-30% ...
So that means they are anywhere from 88% - 70% african...
Furthermore 10% of African Americans are 50% caucasion...
This is easily seen in the wide variety of hues and features of african americans... The dominant trait is african, and in addition the way people of african decent are grouped is based on rules established by caucasian americans...
Another thing you all may want to take interest in is the possibility that you may have african blood in your family tree... 30% of whites have african ancestors...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2827579
when we moved to atlanta when i was 14 there were only a handful of white students at our school i got called honkey, cracker, pasty little white girl,the list goes on and yes i am a little jaded about this subject, when my parents complained to the school board about it they got laughed at. i will always be called white by other races -i am not referred to as caucasian american( nor do i want to be) so i won't call a black person an african american
if a group wants to be called or characterized by a certain name... than that is their choice... and you should respect that...

 

[miaheatlvr]

Im ASIAN/LATIN... what am I? A yellowish, lighter shade of brown?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2828137
the whole question is silly to me... its like some people want to take away the significance of the moment. He is a black man... A matter of fact... the majority of mixed raced individuals consider themselves black... Furthermore, the majority of african americans are of mixed race, meaning that they are not 100% african...
The ranges very depending on where in the country the sample is taken...
but the ranges as follows:
African Americans in the United States percent of Caucasion mixed ancestory is 12%-30% ...
So that means they are anywhere from 88% - 70% african...
Furthermore 10% of African Americans are 50% caucasion...
This is easily seen in the wide variety of hues and features of african americans... The dominant trait is african, and in addition the way people of african decent are grouped is based on rules established by caucasian americans...
Another thing you all may want to take interest in is the possibility that you may have african blood in your family tree... 30% of whites have african ancestors...
One of the flaws regarding your percentages is that not every person of dark skin had their origins come from Africa. There are many black cultures that originated in Europe, Asia, Australia, and South America. I'd be interested in a study of geneology of all the various people in this country who are labeled 'black', and see where their ancestors actually originated from. I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who don't have African ancestors, and never had any relatives that came to the US via slave trade.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2828231
One of the flaws regarding your percentages is that not every person of dark skin had their origins come from Africa. There are many black cultures that originated in Europe, Asia, Australia, and South America. I'd be interested in a study of geneology of all the various people in this country who are labeled 'black', and see where their ancestors actually originated from. I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who don't have African ancestors, and never had any relatives that came to the US via slave trade.
Yes and no... and my percentages are based on DNA evidence, not appearance... there are Asians and Indians (India) that are darker than people of african decent...
Furthermore, there are studies that there were black mexicans...which was a result of african slaves and natives connecting... a current study shows that people of that region are 6% african...
In Italy... southern in particular... people of that region have dark skin because of the period of time when northern africans conquered the area back around 1100 AD or so (don't quote me on years).
There also were people of african decent in S.America and throughout the Carribbean....
But again to answer your question my results are based on DNA! Not visual characteristics...

 

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2828140
if a group wants to be called or characterized by a certain name... than that is their choice... and you should respect that...
well the group should make up their mind about what they want to be referred to instead of making everyone else guess and getting offended when they guess wrong

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2828378
Yes and no... and my percentages are based on DNA evidence, not appearance... there are Asians and Indians (India) that are darker than people of african decent...
Furthermore, there are studies that there were black mexicans...which was a result of african slaves and natives connecting... a current study shows that people of that region are 6% african...
In Italy... southern in particular... people of that region have dark skin because of the period of time when northern africans conquered the area back around 1100 AD or so (don't quote me on years).
There also were people of african decent in S.America and throughout the Carribbean....
But again to answer your question my results are based on DNA! Not visual characteristics...

DNA? So you're telling me every person that is categorized as 'black' in this country has submitted a DNA sample to prove where they came from? Talk about racial profiling..

Sorry, but every dark skinned person on this planet didn't originate from Africa. You telling me the Aboriginal people of Australia migrated there from Africa? Don't think so.
My argument is that not every person you see in this country that is 'black' has ancestors that originated from Africa. I remember seeing this daytime show recently where a bunch of people came on stating that it was time for the US government to start paying reparations to all the black citizens of this country due to the atrocities of slavery. Can't remember which daytime host it was, but he had research done on all these individuals that came on the show making this claim. It ended up that the leader of the bunch was found that his great grandparents came to the US via France, and had no ties whatsoever to Africa or the slaves that were brought over here. So in his case, he should be French-American, not African-American.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2828470
DNA? So you're telling me every person that is categorized as 'black' in this country has submitted a DNA sample to prove where they came from? Talk about racial profiling..

Sorry, but every dark skinned person on this planet didn't originate from Africa. You telling me the Aboriginal people of Australia migrated there from Africa? Don't think so.
My argument is that not every person you see in this country that is 'black' has ancestors that originated from Africa. I remember seeing this daytime show recently where a bunch of people came on stating that it was time for the US government to start paying reparations to all the black citizens of this country due to the atrocities of slavery. Can't remember which daytime host it was, but he had research done on all these individuals that came on the show making this claim. It ended up that the leader of the bunch was found that his great grandparents came to the US via France, and had no ties whatsoever to Africa or the slaves that were brought over here. So in his case, he should be French-American, not African-American.
I don't think you understand...
There were african slaves in Europe prior to the American Slave trade... the term is based off of ethnicity... not country of orgin... Africa is a continent, not a country...
As far as aboriginal people... they have different characteristics than people of african decent... Furthermore, we are talking about the United States of America... not the world or Australia.. So peoples of South Asian, Indian, and Pacific Islands decent are not factors that are relevant to this conversation.
I will also add that their features are different from those of african decent... dark skin is not the only factor..
This also has nothing to do with profiling... it is based on a geneolgy study of Americans... Many people discover these things while researching family trees. It also is not based on everybody giving a sample, but from people who want to participate in a study to learn their family roots.
But if you want to use your eyes, look at the wide range of hues and features african americans have, in comparison to West Africans. Many African americans have European features or watered down African features...
But listen... do your own research.. you'll be suprised of what you find... I am sure that your assumptions are based on just your thoughts on the subject, without any facts or sources to support your opinion.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2828470
DNA? So you're telling me every person that is categorized as 'black' in this country has submitted a DNA sample to prove where they came from? Talk about racial profiling..

Sorry, but every dark skinned person on this planet didn't originate from Africa. You telling me the Aboriginal people of Australia migrated there from Africa? Don't think so.
My argument is that not every person you see in this country that is 'black' has ancestors that originated from Africa. I remember seeing this daytime show recently where a bunch of people came on stating that it was time for the US government to start paying reparations to all the black citizens of this country due to the atrocities of slavery. Can't remember which daytime host it was, but he had research done on all these individuals that came on the show making this claim. It ended up that the leader of the bunch was found that his great grandparents came to the US via France, and had no ties whatsoever to Africa or the slaves that were brought over here. So in his case, he should be French-American, not African-American.
EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!! There you go again saying stuff I have to agree with