Wk 2

[squidward]

Go Broncos!

Jay Cutler proved he's the real deal unlike leinart and that suicidal Vince Young. As well as Alex Smith, etc etc. Gotta give mad props to him after his brutal endzone INT. And to come back in that last drive to win it. Yeah it was a blown call, but the Bolts still had to stop them. That sure was gutsy to go for 2.
Rams, lions, cheifs, dolphins are brutal. Pennington's got the weakest arm in the NFL. That guy's maximum throw is 15 yards at best. Rod marinelli is a moron. HE should've never gotten the job. I especially can't stand his attitude towards the media. He acts like he's some big shot when he's never done crap.
Oh yeah espn needs to get rid of Tony CORNYheiser!!! That guy bl0ws mad balls!

I'm also sick of hank williams jr. doing the theme as well. New artist please!

 

[1knight164]

Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2758651
Go Broncos!

Jay Cutler proved he's the real deal unlike leinart and that suicidal Vince Young. As well as Alex Smith, etc etc. Gotta give mad props to him after his brutal endzone INT. And to come back in that last drive to win it. Yeah it was a blown call, but the Bolts still had to stop them. That sure was gutsy to go for 2.
Hats off to Brandon Marshall as well. Cromartie was humbled!!!

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2758651
Rod marinelli is a moron. HE should've never gotten the job. I especially can't stand his attitude towards the media. He acts like he's some big shot when he's never done crap.
It's easy to blame Marinelli. Pretty much everyone around here wants him fired. But this team isn't going to win under any coach. We had Mariucci, we had Mike Martz, (also had Marty Morninweg but I don't like to talk about that). The constant under this losing dynasty is Matt Millen. Even if we fire Marinelli and bring in Cowher (who is IMO the best coach out there), Cowher will only win 5 or 6 games tops.
We need this team to go 0-16 so the ownership will realize that they HAVE TO FIRE MILLEN!!!

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by JDL
http:///forum/post/2758590
eli manning
joe montana
Eli wins a superbowl and gets superbowl MVP in season 4
joe wins a superbowl and gets superbowl MVP in season 3
the list is longer then just these 2. Romo is strictly a fantasy football qb. He cant win in the playoffs and has done nothing to be compared to even eli. But romo has had good success with blonde country singers

id put Kurt Wanner on the top of that list!!!

 

[one/eighth]

GO BILLS!

 

[stdreb27]

Look where he went to school vs joe. There was no way Romo got the football education that many of these d1 starting qb's.

 

[rebelprettyboy]

Patriots got it done!
And cowboys Eagle game ws a great one. My gf mom had us tickets but I had to come home cuz I had a test and didnt want to miss it

 

[jdl]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2759171
Look where he went to school vs joe. There was no way Romo got the football education that many of these d1 starting qb's.

as someone else pointed out:
id put Kurt Wanner on the top of that list!!!
wasnt he a grocery store bagger at one point between college and pro football? Northern iowa college??
Just admit, your original statement of:
Seriously, not many other QB's have had the success that Romo has had at this stage of his career. Brady, is all I can think of.
has been proven wrong.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by JDL
http:///forum/post/2759462
Just admit, your original statement of:
has been proven wrong.

how? Kurt Warner, Brady, Joe Montana, more recently Ben Rothlesburger? Out of how many quarter backs who have played in the NFL, I still say not many have seen such success.
Look the deal with the guy is this, he is still a kid. 1 full season, I'm just not willing to write him off yet. How many seasons did it take Payton to win the superbowl? After having TONS of regular season success.
Personally I don't like the gunslinger type offensive system, like the Colts, Greenbay ect. It doesn't win superbowls. The I formation, and beating a running back up the middle with an extreemly accurate passer does.

 

[jdl]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2759484
how? Kurt Warner, Brady, Joe Montana, more recently Ben Rothlesburger? Out of how many quarter backs who have played in the NFL, I still say not many have seen such success.
Look the deal with the guy is this, he is still a kid. 1 full season, I'm just not willing to write him off yet. How many seasons did it take Payton to win the superbowl? After having TONS of regular season success.
Personally I don't like the gunslinger type offensive system, like the Colts, Greenbay ect. It doesn't win superbowls. The I formation, and beating a running back up the middle with an extreemly accurate passer does.
if you call NOT winning the NFC, let alone the Superbowl success, then sure, tony romo is very successful. But the guy hasnt won anything other then the division. And an 8-8 team can do that in some divisions.
and yes winning the superbowl means everything. Dan Mario is a legendary QB, but he will never be viewed as high as others because he never won the big game.

 

[kjr_trig]

Power Rankings for anybody curious....3 out of the top 4 from the NFC, quite a change there
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRa...PHCP&GT1=39002
Stdreb, we get it you like Tony, and he is good, but also don't forget he has (arguably) the second best receiver in football, the best tight end in football, and one of the top 5 running back and O-lines in football....Not trying to bad mouth your boy but put my boy Kurt Warner under center in big D they go 13-3 at worst.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by JDL
http:///forum/post/2759536
if you call NOT winning the NFC, let alone the Superbowl success, then sure, tony romo is very successful. But the guy hasnt won anything other then the division. And an 8-8 team can do that in some divisions.
and yes winning the superbowl means everything. Dan Mario is a legendary QB, but he will never be viewed as high as others because he never won the big game.
I agree. See below.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2758404
As a cowboys fan, the regular season is fun, but if it doesn't result in a superbowl win, it was a failure.
I'm not sold that he is the beginning of the next dynasty. I think he isn't driven enough. And to loose with the football. I prefer the iceman approach that Aikman took. And as emmitt tried to get out of TO, Who is the leader on that team? If it is TO, as TO says we are screwed. Because imo as good as he is, he doesn't know how to call someone out. Even when they need to be (remember the McNabb drama). So, unless he grows up a bit, and realises in order to take the next step, he has to take care of business. I'm simply arguing that, it isn't quite time to get worried about Romo's post season problems because he is still soo young. This is only his second season.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2759548
Power Rankings for anybody curious....3 out of the top 4 from the NFC, quite a change there
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/powerRa...PHCP&GT1=39002
Stdreb, we get it you like Tony, and he is good, but also don't forget he has (arguably) the second best receiver in football, the best tight end in football, and one of the top 5 running back and O-lines in football....Not trying to bad mouth your boy but put my boy Kurt Warner under center in big D they go 13-3 at worst.
So he isn't good? Come on, anyone is only as good as his team mates. That was the same gripe about Emmitt Smith and well more yards on the ground than anyone else. Warner had at that time a rediculous reciever core, and Faulk? They were a turf team and a dang good one.

 

[jdl]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2759629
I agree. See below.
I'm not sold that he is the beginning of the next dynasty. I think he isn't driven enough. And to loose with the football. I prefer the iceman approach that Aikman took. And as emmitt tried to get out of TO, Who is the leader on that team? If it is TO, as TO says we are screwed. Because imo as good as he is, he doesn't know how to call someone out. Even when they need to be (remember the McNabb drama). So, unless he grows up a bit, and realises in order to take the next step, he has to take care of business. I'm simply arguing that, it isn't quite time to get worried about Romo's post season problems because he is still soo young. This is only his second season.

I would worry about romo because he has that brett favre type mentality in him. If a play is falling apart he wont throw the ball away or take the sack. He'll try and make a play and as you saw in the eagles game, that usually = INT. However, he is young and hopefully will get better with more experience and his past wont haunt him (screwing up the fg in the playoffs)
However, it is way past his second season, you have to count the bench because learning the position as a qb is part of the game. It is the most difficult position to learn and master. While some qb's dont get that opertunity, some do (steve young). Eli would be a much better qb if he had the chance to watch and learn from someone. Instead, he was tossed into a hostile media, and an even hostile division.
if you insist on not counting the bench as a real season, then mr. jeff hostetler wins the superbowl in his second season.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by JDL
http:///forum/post/2759653
I would worry about romo because he has that brett favre type mentality in him. If a play is falling apart he wont throw the ball away or take the sack. He'll try and make a play and as you saw in the eagles game, that usually = INT. However, he is young and hopefully will get better with more experience and his past wont haunt him (screwing up the fg in the playoffs)
However, it is way past his second season, you have to count the bench because learning the position as a qb is part of the game. It is the most difficult position to learn and master. While some qb's dont get that opertunity, some do (steve young). Eli would be a much better qb if he had the chance to watch and learn from someone. Instead, he was tossed into a hostile media, and an even hostile division.
if you insist on not counting the bench as a real season, then mr. jeff hostetler wins the superbowl in his second season.
You can only learn so much sitting on the bench. He has a year and a half starting experience.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2759637
So he isn't good? Come on, anyone is only as good as his team mates. That was the same gripe about Emmitt Smith and well more yards on the ground than anyone else. Warner had at that time a rediculous reciever core, and Faulk? They were a turf team and a dang good one.

Nope, he is good, but he is not "elite", to me there are 2 elite QB's in the league...Obviously Brady and Manning, then a bunch of 1st tier QB's McNabb, Rivers, Romo, Hassleback, Favre, Big Ben, Palmer, Eli, and I might have missed one, and I might get ridiculed, but I think Warner and Kitna are too...Put Kitna on Dallas and they are still a SB contender IMO, hard to be good with the worst O-line in the league. And Warner had better passing #'s the second half of last year than anybody including Brady.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2759745
Nope, he is good, but he is not "elite", to me there are 2 elite QB's in the league...Obviously Brady and Manning, then a bunch of 1st tier QB's McNabb, Rivers, Romo, Hassleback, Favre, Big Ben, Palmer, Eli, and I might have missed one, and I might get ridiculed, but I think Warner and Kitna are too...Put Kitna on Dallas and they are still a SB contender IMO, hard to be good with the worst O-line in the league. And Warner had better passing #'s the second half of last year than anybody including Brady.
No argument from me, imo you can't be elite with 1 full season under your belt. I don't care if you have won the super bowl.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2759745
Nope, he is good, but he is not "elite", to me there are 2 elite QB's in the league...Obviously Brady and Manning, then a bunch of 1st tier QB's McNabb, Rivers, Romo, Hassleback, Favre, Big Ben, Palmer, Eli, and I might have missed one, and I might get ridiculed, but I think Warner and Kitna are too...Put Kitna on Dallas and they are still a SB contender IMO, hard to be good with the worst O-line in the league. And Warner had better passing #'s the second half of last year than anybody including Brady.
You are insane if you don't put Warner within the bottom 7 or 8 quarterbacks in the league. But then again, didn't you draft pretty much all Cardinals on your fantasy team?

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2759745
Nope, he is good, but he is not "elite", to me there are 2 elite QB's in the league...Obviously Brady and Manning, then a bunch of 1st tier QB's McNabb, Rivers, Romo, Hassleback, Favre, Big Ben, Palmer, Eli, and I might have missed one, and I might get ridiculed, but I think Warner and Kitna are too...Put Kitna on Dallas and they are still a SB contender IMO, hard to be good with the worst O-line in the league. And Warner had better passing #'s the second half of last year than anybody including Brady.
Favre may not be an elite QB from his performances nowadays, but his definitely was one of the league's great. FWIW, I'd rather lump Drew Brees and Delhomme into the 1st tier over Warner or Kitna.
However, I agree, Romo is completely unproven. Very capable ball thrower, but at times he literally comes apart at the seems. He most likely will become a great QB though. Same thing if Jay Culter keeps his performance up the entire season, then melts like Romo did.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2759760
Favre may not be an elite QB from his performances nowadays, but his definitely was one of the league's great. FWIW, I'd rather lump Drew Brees and Delhomme into the 1st tier over Warner or Kitna.
However, I agree, Romo is completely unproven. Very capable ball thrower, but at times he literally comes apart at the seems. He most likely will become a great QB though...
I never was a big farve fan, for the simple reason, he improvised to a fault. And I think Romo starting out was the same way. I don't know if it is because they are better, or because he is growing up a bit. But i remember watching him at the beginning of last year and the year before, when he took over for bledsoe. And they had coaches saying, well we just want to keep him in the pocket. Now they aren't saying that. And the igles tried to blitz the crap out of him, and they picked up most of the blitz's and he wasn't roaming around as much.
There is one thing that really dissapointed me, monday night. And it wasn't him tossing an int. That happens, or him getting sacked in the endzone. It was him failing to hit Marion Barber on the last play of the game.
To me, a "great" qb would have hit that pass.