woh fast cycle

balashark21

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my tank cycled in under a week!!! i used 3 of the four cycling methods and i checked about a half hour ago to see if everything had started down yet and it read as no nitrite good nitrate(wichever one needs 20 i got that i just get them mixed up) and 0 ammonia!!! i used ls, lr and a couple pieces of hallibut. i checked 3 times to make sure i was reading it right and it was tru!!! has this ever happened to any of yalls?
 

aarone

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just to see how long you can hold out without buying fish!
Its hard but make sure you are patient.
aaron
 

bdhough

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I had no cycles with the 2 tanks i set up. I added a fish in both after a week and never got any noticable readings. BUT i also didn't add more than that beyond some hermits and shrimp to clean up the tank too for a month.... If you really must get something some hermits would be good to start cleaning off your rock. Just test before you ever add anything.
 

balashark21

Member
aaron:lol!!!
hmm i wasnt gonna start addin fish yet i was gonna wait a week and if still all readings 0 then get some hermits, snails and stuff
 

beaslbob

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Originally posted by balashark21
aaron:lol!!!
hmm i wasnt gonna start addin fish yet i was gonna wait a week and if still all readings 0 then get some hermits, snails and stuff

even if your ammonia and nitrItes have bumped up and then down, you had better wait for another two weeks before adding fish. Ths will allow any fish born parasite to die from lack of a host fish. Additionally, there are other parameters such as calcium, alk, and ph which may need more time.
Also if you do not have plant life then add some. That will complete the nitrogen cycle, filter out all types of stuff, control the undesirable plant life, and result in a balanced, stable tank.
 

azonic

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Originally posted by beaslbob
even if your ammonia and nitrItes have bumped up and then down, you had better wait for another two weeks before adding fish. Ths will allow any fish born parasite to die from lack of a host fish. Additionally, there are other parameters such as calcium, alk, and ph which may need more time.
Also if you do not have plant life then add some. That will complete the nitrogen cycle, filter out all types of stuff, control the undesirable plant life, and result in a balanced, stable tank.

balashark21:
While I do recommend waiting before adding any fish to the tank, I do believe you have the right idea with starting with a clean-up crew. I'd recommend strictly hermit crabs to start with. I find they are as tough as nails and are very efficient workers :D
I would avoid snails for the time being. They are IME a little more sensitive to flucuations on water quality. I'd hold off on them until the tank stabalizes some more.
The reason I inserted the above quote was because I don't agree with a lot of it. There can or will be no "fish born parasites" in the tank...simply because there has never been a fish in the tank to introduce it. So I wouldn't base waiting on fish on that. Something like ich will not survive in the water column over 48 hours without a host. So don't worry over that.
The main levels you need to check for right now are Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, pH, salinity, and temperature. Make sure all of these are in check. If you are using aragonite as your sand bed then you pH SHOULD be ~8.3. If it's not, you can buy buffer which will bring it to 8.3 for you. That would need to be done before any fish go in. If you listed your pH as fine in a pervious post then disregard this part :D
I wouldn't be worrying about your calcium or alkalinity levels at this point. Those are more crucial when it comes to keeping corals then just adding a couple of fish.
I also would not add any type of plant life to the tank. You want the tank to cycle itself completely. Adding plants(caulerpa), etc which will remove things like nitrates from the water will only hinder your cycle. You want the undesirable algaes to grow and die off during the cycle...it's all a part of it. I would just let things run their course. IMO of course.
I just wanted to jump in to say you seem to be starting out great and don't let that last post scare you into thinking you have a million things to worry about. Good luck with the tank and keep us posted!
 

krowleey

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also would not add any type of plant life to the tank. You want the tank to cycle itself completely. Adding plants(caulerpa), etc which will remove things like nitrates from the water will only hinder your cycle. You want the undesirable algaes to grow and die off during the cycle...it's all a part of it. I would just let things run their course. IMO of course.
everything you posted is your opinion bob is entiled to his own, he has points, and i dont agree with not adding macro at this point, kind of like saying do not run your skimmer when cycling with LR and LS its just opinions, and not everyone will agree. i was wondering if i should put macro in my fuge during the cycle process and was told by Bang Guy yes, its good for your system. and after looking at his setup i take his opinion very serious.
 

azonic

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Originally posted by krowleey
everything you posted is your opinion bob is entiled to his own, he has points, and i dont agree with not adding macro at this point, kind of like saying do not run your skimmer when cycling with LR and LS its just opinions, and not everyone will agree. i was wondering if i should put macro in my fuge during the cycle process and was told by Bang Guy yes, its good for your system. and after looking at his setup i take his opinion very serious.

You are entitled to your opinion as well and I respect it.
That being said...he does not have a refugium(AFAIK), nor does he have the proper lighting to keep macro algae alive. I don't see the need in making things more complicated then they have to be for someone just starting out in the hobby.
I base any advice I give on what I've been told myself and what I've done on my system.
As for running a skimmer during the cycle....:rolleyes: we won't go there.
 

krowleey

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awww why not, lets debate ! lol
i tell ya what if my tank is totally cycled by next week mabey youll change your opinion on it, and if it takes my tank a couple months to cycle mabey ill change mine :D
 

azonic

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So your opinion is that cycling with the skimmer is a good idea?
If so, can you elaborate on why?
My 110 gallon finished cycling 3 months ago...I used no skimmer during the cycle and it took me roughly 3 weeks for the cycle to start and end.
I now run my Lifereef SVS-24 skimmer 24/7 and it is hauling out some nasty gunk. I did experiment for a couple of days during the cycle and the skimmer just pulled out a very thing froth which didn't have much of a smell on it.
When I empty my skimmer cup now, I literally stink out the room when I open the drain to empty it out. It is potent stuff.
Anywho, that's my very small rant on it, what's yours? :D
 

krowleey

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welp i was wondering the same thing, i got some advise here and found more other places cant say where here. but in a nut shell if you have your tank full of LR and LS to run the skimmer for the cycle, if you just have dead sand ect dont run the skimmer. im guess mainly is because the bacteria is already present and there is so much die off from spounges plants ect that you can run the skimmer to save as much life as possible on your LR and keep your water from being yellow. my tank has been cycling a week today and my ammonia is .5 nitrite is 2 and trates is 100 so it looks good so far. like you said i got my info from other ppl here and other places....ones that been reef keeping awile so i thought what the heck and im running my skimmer. wish i could link the other places that is stating this as well but i cant.
 

krowleey

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my skimmer is pulling out black stinky gunk....but im still fine tuning it i know it takes awile to get it perfect if there is such a thing. but it doesnt smell the room out, it more smellls like the LR did when i got it to my door step from fed ex
 

azonic

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What kind of skimmer do you run?
I find with my Lifereef that it only took a little bit of tinkering with the water flow to get it going good. I run it on a Mag9.5 pump and it produces are very thick dark foam.
I wasn't joking about the smell. The skimmer's collection cup has a drain tubing hooked to it that you open and close with a small little ball valve....I have an old plastic jug I use to drain the skimmate into and as soon as I open the valve, the smell is just awful.
I'm eventually going to upgrade the pump to a Mag12 to hopfully improve the performance even more.
 

krowleey

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i run a duel pak 2r by CPR, it foams good and thick but its not dark foam its white i guess but the collection cups got dark nasty in it...i know it will do more when i have fish in there. this is my second reef tank but i had a totally diff set up on my 100 gallon, i had CC and a undergravel filter, but didnt know anything when i got it then but i did have sucess with it for 3 years. i guss ill just wait and see how the cycle goes with this one it looks good so far no huge ammonia spike but some ppl say when cycling with LR and LS you may or may not have that.
 

balashark21

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here is what i just ordered because my lvls are now almost perfect. i will pick up a ph buffer tomorrow before my stuff arrives and that is the only thing i need. this is what i got:
6 scarlet hermits
Fighting Conch
10 Turbo/Astrea Snails
Jawfish
5 Nassarius Snails
Hawaiian Strawberry Crab
i did not totally take ur advise i got some hermits alot of snails(most people tell me to get hella snails) i got a fish and a crab
 

azonic

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If your LR is cured and you are using LS then your spikes will likely not be as high as someone without those things.
I used 200lbs of "dead" aragonite and ~75 pounds of LR to cycle my tank. My ammonia went to around 8.0 on my test kit....although I did toss a couple of grocery shrimp into the tank to get things moving.
 
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