Yea, Bush's 'War On Terror' is working great

[bionicarm]

So within the last week, we've had this Jordanian immigrant plot to blow up su

ays and other transportation in New York using beauty shop products, a guy in Dallas gets caught in an FBI sting when they got him to go so far as drive a van under a major Dallas office building and try to blow the van up remotely with his cell phone, and a similar sting occurred in Springfield with the same type of device. The Jordanian guy spent several months in Pakistan at an Al Qaeda training camp learning how to do his destruction, and the guy in Dallas was some Muslim convert who got his instructions for devestation by emails from Al Qeada associates. The best part is the FBI has a lead on at least 20 other 'suspects of interest' that were associated with all three of these people.
Let's see, who was arguing with journey and several other naysayers on this forum months ago that the war in Iraq wasn't going to solve the problem with terrorism in the US?

The responses were "Well, there haven't been any other attacks on US soil since 9/11, so Bush's plan must be working". My response was, "There hasn't been any attacks YET. If you think that there aren't sleeper cell terrorist sitting in the US right now planning another major attack, you're fooling yourself." Anyone interested in eating crow?

 

[ironeagle2006]

Bionicarm remember this WHO IS NOW PRESIDENT. Under Bush they would more than likely not have gotten as far as they did. Obama is to busy being nice to the world and showing the Muslims he is weak that they are like time to Strike. Remember the Muslims thought Bush was going to be weak like Clinton until 9/11 then they were like did we just make a Cobra mad.

 

[zman1]

I see it that the intelligence community is working well.
Perhaps though all of the recent thwarted incidents, coming simultaneously during the recent polls that 6 out of 10 surveyed don't think Afghanistan is worth it. Same time a request for more troops by the military commander. Perhaps the timing is a little more than just a coincidence of all these events...

 

[zman1]

One other item – IRAN
What is Iran’s reasoning behind now admitting to the second uranium facility?
The prior administrations go it alone, wild west show, riding rough shot over the world is what they were counting on! This had been built years ago. Now the current administration is working with the world leaders against them and no longer allows them to play the evil lone USA card in the region.
Time will tell if this new approach will bear fruit. We do know that the old approach didn’t stop the plant from being built in the first place…

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3142930
Bionicarm remember this WHO IS NOW PRESIDENT. Under Bush they would more than likely not have gotten as far as they did. Obama is to busy being nice to the world and showing the Muslims he is weak that they are like time to Strike. Remember the Muslims thought Bush was going to be weak like Clinton until 9/11 then they were like did we just make a Cobra mad.
Please. Let's blame it on Obama because this stuff started just as soon as he took office. These terrorist cells have been here for years. They were already in place while Bush was in office. Bush's arrogant attacks on Iraq is what spurred even American citizens to start following the Al Qeada and Muslim practices. If you think these people weren't planning these type of attacks for years, you are a fool. If Bush would've gone to Afghanistan instead of Iraq, where he was doing nothing but finishing off what his daddy failed to do, you could've nipped the bud on a majority of these Al Qaeda cells to begin with.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3142947
Time will tell if this new approach will bear fruit. We do know that the old approach didn’t stop the plant from being built in the first place…
This approach is not new.
It was done in the past. Tell me, how did it work out with Iraq in the 70's to early 80's and N. Korea in the 90's......

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3142927
So within the last week, we've had this Jordanian immigrant plot to blow up su

ays and other transportation in New York using beauty shop products, a guy in Dallas gets caught in an FBI sting when they got him to go so far as drive a van under a major Dallas office building and try to blow the van up remotely with his cell phone, and a similar sting occurred in Springfield with the same type of device. The Jordanian guy spent several months in Pakistan at an Al Qaeda training camp learning how to do his destruction, and the guy in Dallas was some Muslim convert who got his instructions for devestation by emails from Al Qeada associates. The best part is the FBI has a lead on at least 20 other 'suspects of interest' that were associated with all three of these people.
Let's see, who was arguing with journey and several other naysayers on this forum months ago that the war in Iraq wasn't going to solve the problem with terrorism in the US?

The responses were "Well, there haven't been any other attacks on US soil since 9/11, so Bush's plan must be working". My response was, "There hasn't been any attacks YET. If you think that there aren't sleeper cell terrorist sitting in the US right now planning another major attack, you're fooling yourself." Anyone interested in eating crow?
9-10 months in and you are blaming Bush for this? Seriously?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3142976
9-10 months in and you are blaming Bush for this? Seriously?
Uh, yeah. Do you honestly think these guys started popping out of the woodwork right after Obama got into office? You can't be that naive. Most terrorist plots take years to contrive. This guy in New York spent several months in Pakistan training at an Al Qaeda camp before he started his quest. You think he went, "Hey Bush is out of office now, and this lame Obama dude is running the country. Now I can start planning a terrorist plot because he won't be able to catch me."
According to prosecutors' account, Zazi — a legal U.S. resident who immigrated in 1999 — began plotting as early as August 2008 to "use one or more weapons of mass destruction." That was when he and others traveled from Newark, N.J., to Pakistan, where he received the explosives training, prosecutors said.
Gee, who was President in August 2008?

 

[wangotango]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3142981
Uh, yeah. Do you honestly think these guys started popping out of the woodwork right after Obama got into office? You can't be that naive. Most terrorist plots take years to contrive. This guy in New York spent several months in Pakistan training at an Al Qaeda camp before he started his quest. You think he went, "Hey Bush is out of office now, and this lame Obama dude is running the country. Now I can start planning a terrorist plot because he won't be able to catch me."
According to prosecutors' account, Zazi — a legal U.S. resident who immigrated in 1999 — began plotting as early as August 2008 to "use one or more weapons of mass destruction." That was when he and others traveled from Newark, N.J., to Pakistan, where he received the explosives training, prosecutors said.
Gee, who was President in August 2008?

I'm sure they planned stuff while Bush was in office too, that's not a question. Nothing materialized though...
-Justin

 

[reefraff]

And who was president when 9-11 was planned and the players entered our country? Oh, yeah but that doesn't matter cause everything is Bushes fault

If the terrorists see a weak spot they will take their shot no matter who the president is. Fact is for all the brain dead liberals sniveling about Bush we weren't hit again on his watch. How many times were we hit under Clinton? The only thing these people understand is brute force, have you ever listened, I mean really listend to what they have to say. They aren't responding to a perceived injustice against them, they are out to spread their religious ideology and one of their methods is to intimidate people to the point they are afraid to criticize it.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3142975
This approach is not new.
It was done in the past. Tell me, how did it work out with Iraq in the 70's to early 80's and N. Korea in the 90's......
NEW man in charge- that's how. check your history on the 70' - 80s. Iran is what it is today from previous meddling with internal politics.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3143011
And who was president when 9-11 was planned and the players entered our country? Oh, yeah but that doesn't matter cause everything is Bushes fault

If the terrorists see a weak spot they will take their shot no matter who the president is. Fact is for all the brain dead liberals sniveling about Bush we weren't hit again on his watch. How many times were we hit under Clinton? The only thing these people understand is brute force, have you ever listened, I mean really listend to what they have to say. They aren't responding to a perceived injustice against them, they are out to spread their religious ideology and one of their methods is to intimidate people to the point they are afraid to criticize it.
The point I was making is you, Darth, journey, and several others continually railed me when I said Bush's excuse for being in Iraq was to fight the 'War On Terror' was a bunch of crap. I said that taking down Saddam wasn't going to keep terrorists from infiltrating the US borders and start planning another attack. You were insistent that the war in Iraq was working, and the thought of Al Qaeda operatives still being in the US was a load of bull.
I have no problem with brute force and hitting them where they live. Problem was, that wasn't Bush's priority. It was the mystical WMD's that were never found. He also was ticked because everyone chastised his daddy becausae he went over there and spent billions of dollars and didn't finish the job with Sadaam in the first place. So he took it upon himself to 'untarnish' the Bush name and make Daddy George's legacy stand tall. Maybe if Bush would've concentrated all his 'War On Terror' efforts in Afghanistan where we should've been right after 9/11, these guys you see popping up now may have never existed.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3142981
Uh, yeah. Do you honestly think these guys started popping out of the woodwork right after Obama got into office? You can't be that naive. Most terrorist plots take years to contrive. This guy in New York spent several months in Pakistan training at an Al Qaeda camp before he started his quest. You think he went, "Hey Bush is out of office now, and this lame Obama dude is running the country. Now I can start planning a terrorist plot because he won't be able to catch me."
According to prosecutors' account, Zazi — a legal U.S. resident who immigrated in 1999 — began plotting as early as August 2008 to "use one or more weapons of mass destruction." That was when he and others traveled from Newark, N.J., to Pakistan, where he received the explosives training, prosecutors said.
Gee, who was President in August 2008?

Gee, when did he come back? The majority of the 9/11 Hijackers came to the u.s. in may of 01....a meer 4 months before...
And one could say since their attention is in multiple places they can not operate as efficiantly here anymore thus why the got CAUGHT!.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3143050
The point I was making is you, Darth, journey, and several others continually railed me when I said Bush's excuse for being in Iraq was to fight the 'War On Terror' was a bunch of crap. I said that taking down Saddam wasn't going to keep terrorists from infiltrating the US borders and start planning another attack. You were insistent that the war in Iraq was working, and the thought of Al Qaeda operatives still being in the US was a load of bull.

I nor did anyone else, say they weren't planning another attack or not in country......we said it divided their resources and hindered their abilities.....Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3143050
I have no problem with brute force and hitting them where they live. Problem was, that wasn't Bush's priority. It was the mystical WMD's that were never found. He also was ticked because everyone chastised his daddy becausae he went over there and spent billions of dollars and didn't finish the job with Sadaam in the first place. So he took it upon himself to 'untarnish' the Bush name and make Daddy George's legacy stand tall. Maybe if Bush would've concentrated all his 'War On Terror' efforts in Afghanistan where we should've been right after 9/11, these guys you see popping up now may have never existed.

Why does the priority matter if the results still occur? Why does it matter if his priority was WMDs....and we were in afghanistan right after 9/11...it wasn't until a year and a half later that we went into Iraq.....there you go trying to change history again. We weren't the only country to scale back troop levels either, every other country in afghanistan scaled back...obviously it wasn't a high priority for them either....

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3143037
NEW man in charge- that's how. check your history on the 70' - 80s. Iran is what it is today from previous meddling with internal politics.

That is my point, this has been tried before, and because of previous meddlings (from 1953), things didn't change.....since The shah was removed we have tried every form of approach with Iran....all to no avail....what is the point?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3142972
Please. Let's blame it on Obama because this stuff started just as soon as he took office. These terrorist cells have been here for years. They were already in place while Bush was in office. Bush's arrogant attacks on Iraq is what spurred even American citizens to start following the Al Qeada and Muslim practices. If you think these people weren't planning these type of attacks for years, you are a fool. If Bush would've gone to Afghanistan instead of Iraq, where he was doing nothing but finishing off what his daddy failed to do, you could've nipped the bud on a majority of these Al Qaeda cells to begin with.

Your argument is flawed...since your own words claim this guy was here from 1999 to 2008.....then flew to afghanistan to get some training (which he can also get in mny other terror countries....so how would afghanistan prevented this cell....the cell was already here apparently...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3142947
One other item – IRAN
What is Iran’s reasoning behind now admitting to the second uranium facility?

To spread fear and coerce capitulation......

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3143083
Your argument is flawed...since your own words claim this guy was here from 1999 to 2008.....then flew to afghanistan to get some training (which he can also get in mny other terror countries....so how would afghanistan prevented this cell....the cell was already here apparently...

Wasn't my own words. They were from an article on the guy. I have no clue what his exact timeline was. He originally moved here in 1999, and was probably a model citizen back then. What turned him to working with Al Qaeda? Who knows. Whatever it was, he went to Afghanistan to get versed in the art of bomb making.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3143070
I nor did anyone else, say they weren't planning another attack or not in country......we said it divided their resources and hindered their abilities.....Stop putting words in my mouth.
I won't waste my time going back 7 or 8 months back to the time when journey was perusing this forum, waving his flag and saying how great it was to be in Iraq. Believe me, I remember the debates about this subject, and many here ranted the "no attacks have been made on American soil since Bush took over" rhetoric so many times it was nauseating.