yellow tang: a possible problem

[bill109]

hello
i have a few simple questions for you all. i have a yT hes is small and is in a tiny tank.
not to worry hes going into a 90 gallon next week.
so heres my possible problem
he isnt showing much intreses in fodd s he usually does i feed eeyother day and i see him pick off of the tanks algea almost everyday.
today i fed and he didnt eat much close to nothiin do you think he could of filed up on algea?
he watches the food and folows it to the bottom and swims awaythen he was next to my pink blue watchman and swatted him once or twice with his tail.. his white little needle thing was down i gues it was juat a warning.. this is the 1st time hes dont it the wathcmna cam back and took a quik nip at his bottom fin but didnt get much cus it was contrated.
then there were no problems
what do you think is the problem .. space and/ not being hungry or what?
also i am told tht i cant keep another tang in the 90 i fully inderstand but how come some people dont get bashed or get any stress from like 3 tangs in a 90 or in a 55 .. not to mention whos but in one 90 i saw blue,yellow,tomini

 

[hot883]

Well the 90 will not be any better IMO.
What is the diet you are feeding him?

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by hot883
Well the 90 will not be any better IMO.
What is the diet you are feeding him?
really you dont think a 90 will b e any better?
he is tiny maybe like 2-3 inches
for a diet i am feeding everyother day
i feed mainlu frozen mysis and some days i feed flake food . i try to feed them prime reef but they dont have much of an inrest
im gonna go out to the lfs tomorrow hopefully and buy a algea clip and what nori? or the other sheet algea?

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by hot883
Well the 90 will not be any better IMO.
What is the diet you are feeding him?
Yep, also Bill a yt should be fed several times per day. What are you giving him? Soaking it in vitamines and fresh garlic?

 

[hot883]

It is recommended that tangs have a minimum of 6 feet swimming room regardless of size of fish. They are open water swimmers. Can they be housed in smaller tanks? Sure if you are an EXPERIENCED aqaurists, not a beginner.
More tangs die in 55, 75 and 90's than by any other means because of stress, improper diet etc.

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by sepulatian
Yep, also Bill a yt should be fed several times per day. What are you giving him? Soaking it in vitamines and fresh garlic?
how do i saok it in vitamines? i was thinking of buying garlic extreme.. the flake stuff
but about those vitamines?
and i chose to fee everyother day cus i had mad alge/ bacteria i guess... red but it seems to be clearing but how should i feed a tiny amount 2x times everyother day ot 2x a ay everyday

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by hot883
It is recommended that tangs have a minimum of 6 feet swimming room regardless of size of fish. They are open water swimmers. Can they be housed in smaller tanks? Sure if you are an EXPERIENCED aqaurists, not a beginner.
More tangs die in 55, 75 and 90's than by any other means because of stress, improper diet etc.
ive seen sucess storys of tangs in a 90. and such i know what you mean though...

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by bill109
how do i saok it in vitamines? i was thinking of buying garlic extreme.. the flake stuff
but about those vitamines?
and i chose to fee everyother day cus i had mad alge/ bacteria i guess... red but it seems to be clearing but how should i feed a tiny amount 2x times everyother day ot 2x a ay everyday
It is important not to use a processed product: bottled garlic. Instead, the hobbyist should use fresh garlic as identified below. [You need only buy a single garlic glove at a time, not bunches.]
This is from Beth's common treatments thread in the disease and treatment forum:
Snap a single glove off of the bud. Peel off the skin. Using a non-porous container, such as a glass or Pyrex dish, and a sharp knife, mince and smash the glove, preserving the juice. Once finely minced and smashed, and the juices have been released from the garlic, quickly add meaty foods, such as fresh homemade fish food, or high-quality frozen fish foods. Lightly mix the food in with the garlic so that the food is saturated, but not swimming in garlic juice. Cover your container, and place the mixture in the refrigerator for 5 mins.
Feed your fish, preferably using a syringe or a turkey baster to ensure that fish receives the garlic supplemented food. You can add a small bit of sea water to this mixture to get the mixture into your delivery syringe.
This should be done 3x a day if you are using garlic medicinally.
Allicin is produced immediately upon mincing the garlic glove and quickly breaks down. That is why marketed bottled garlic is virtually useless and the hobbyist needs to use fresh garlic.
Bill, Bary is also 100% correct that the YT needs a 6 foot long (MINIMUM) tank. You may have seen them in a 90 and doing well, but that does not mean someone who is reletively new will be able to do it. They are VERY active swimmers. It does not matter how small he is.

 

[maeistero]

i've been experimenting with food ever since i got my mortar and pestle. this really should be it's own forum, food.
so far i've been grinding down certain vitamins and saltwater pellets as fit for differing fish in it, then adding gelatin and veggies (mostly broc) and whatever frozen alaskan fish i can get. 'fridge it to gel and cut into squares. the frozenfish attract with taste but not much substance, and the veggies and vitamins are forced down. kind of like putting a pill in a treat for your dog. a bit of garlic once in awhile works in the mortar and pestle also.
as i said, i'm experimenting. i don't think i'll ever be certain, but the one thing is to keep a journal on what you add to the food, how much you feed, and water conditions. i believe this is how books are written, on a database program that calculates all probabilities on tanks.
:thinking:
oh! and i think i may have said my mandarin nibbles mysis sheets the other night, i meant nori.

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by maeistero

i've been experimenting with food ever since i got my mortar and pestle. this really should be it's own forum, food.
so far i've been grinding down certain vitamins and saltwater pellets as fit for differing fish in it, then adding gelatin and veggies (mostly broc) and whatever frozen alaskan fish i can get. 'fridge it to gel and cut into squares. the frozenfish attract with taste but not much substance, and the veggies and vitamins are forced down. kind of like putting a pill in a treat for your dog. a bit of garlic once in awhile works in the mortar and pestle also.
as i said, i'm experimenting. i don't think i'll ever be certain, but the one thing is to keep a journal on what you add to the food, how much you feed, and water conditions. i believe this is how books are written, on a database program that calculates all probabilities on tanks.
:thinking:
oh! and i think i may have said my mandarin nibbles mysis sheets the other night, i meant nori.
:help: :help:
wow i got the grinding down parts but the vitamines and veges (mostly broc you lost me. lol
)
then you freeze it and feed it..

 

[maeistero]

well, i started off on regular pellet food. then i learned that it's much cheaper and easier on their digestive system to have a sort of gel. like if you defrost frozen food. so i went to grinding up hard pellet food for awhile and adding frozen grocery stuff in a gelatin mix. then i started looking more at the ingredients and nutrition info and brocolli seems to be pretty danm good. ground calcium is good for some things...
the hardest thing is getting the gelatin to set right. i personally adjust every week. really, i should be doing 3 different sets for reef, fo and turtle, but so far the turtles eat anything and the reef is flourishing by itself w/o a kalk reactor. it's an excellent way to trick them into eating garlic and nori.

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by maeistero
well, i started off on regular pellet food. then i learned that it's much cheaper and easier on their digestive system to have a sort of gel. like if you defrost frozen food. so i went to grinding up hard pellet food for awhile and adding frozen grocery stuff in a gelatin mix. then i started looking more at the ingredients and nutrition info and brocolli seems to be pretty danm good. ground calcium is good for some things...
the hardest thing is getting the gelatin to set right. i personally adjust every week. really, i should be doing 3 different sets for reef, fo and turtle, but so far the turtles eat anything and the reef is flourishing by itself w/o a kalk reactor. it's an excellent way to trick them into eating garlic and nori.
so i take some frozen food tht has almost thawed and is a gel and then i girnd it up and put some brocolli in and possibly some galric juice. then refreeze? if this isnt it could i do this it sounds like an awesome food

 

[dogstar]

Feed that Tang some nori....vegetables is their main diet.....how long have you had it and how tiny is the tank ? why cant you put it in the 90 now?

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by Dogstar
Feed that Tang some nori....vegetables is their main diet.....how long have you had it and how tiny is the tank ? why cant you put it in the 90 now?
cycling but im gonna check one the 2.5 week mark the 16 of january

 

[cyclops]

Bill
how are you cycling your tank>
as far as feeding buy the fresh garlic and grind it up and you can use raw shrimp to saturate it with garlic juices the clip a Nori seaweed clip, you can get these at the local super market. you need to start feeding garlic

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by cyclops
Bill
how are you cycling your tank>
as far as feeding buy the fresh garlic and grind it up and you can use raw shrimp to saturate it with garlic juices the clip a Nori seaweed clip, you can get these at the local super market. you need to start feeding garlic
i am cycling the 90 with ls and lr only 3lbs cus im outta money..

but im working on it.
i know i need to start feeding iwth garlic the tangs belly is starting to concave.. its not good he started to pick at some flake fod but once again showed no intrest in the mysis. i feed tht almost everytime i feed so tht could be the problem

what els shoudl i feed him im going to the lfs tomorrow to get the cli and sheets

 

[pallan]

Another issues to beware of that ive seen is that the 90 is still cycling this will be a harsh new world for him even after it cycles. our tanks go through many chemical changes ones that we dont even test for during cycling and after, Tangs are reccomended for a more mature system for that reason and the grazing reason.
But the main issue right now is to get him to eat. size of tank right now not an issue as many a QT system is just as small
definalty get the nori sheets and a algae clip. it may take a day or two for him to realize its food but he will. does he have some places to hid in the tank he needs them, and what are the parameters in the small tank right now.
how long have you had him. if you just got him i would also question LFS about the capturing technique used by their supplier or do they use copper in their water. ive seen tangs go for no apparent reason when they stop eating a month down the road. i attribute most of those to capture and holding practices.
i know i asked more questions than i answered but fill us in and im sure we can help.
Good luck

 

[bill109]

Originally Posted by Pallan
Another issues to beware of that ive seen is that the 90 is still cycling this will be a harsh new world for him even after it cycles. our tanks go through many chemical changes ones that we dont even test for during cycling and after, Tangs are reccomended for a more mature system for that reason and the grazing reason.
But the main issue right now is to get him to eat. size of tank right now not an issue as many a QT system is just as small
definalty get the nori sheets and a algae clip. it may take a day or two for him to realize its food but he will. does he have some places to hid in the tank he needs them, and what are the parameters in the small tank right now.
how long have you had him. if you just got him i would also question LFS about the capturing technique used by their supplier or do they use copper in their water. ive seen tangs go for no apparent reason when they stop eating a month down the road. i attribute most of those to capture and holding practices.
i know i asked more questions than i answered but fill us in and im sure we can help.
Good luck
he hs been in there for roughly 4.-5 months. he needs to go in tht is the only reason why im almost needing him to go in. or i would say it can wait.
i will test the watr agin and give moe info tomorrow but the last tests i did were excellent