Yes, I am actually being serious...

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3234195
I find it intriguing to see the same people that have called a few conservatives on here racist for not supportting Obama, are now considering Ron Paul....
I don't think I have called anyone here a racist, but I am interested in what Ron Paul has to say. I think one big plus for me is that everytime I have heard him speak he is calm and despite his somewhat radical thinking in a few areas of government I find his take what I have to say or not attitude refreshing. I for one do not like it when either the far-right or left shoves their political agenda down my throat.
I just read that Brown has the GOP angry because he voted for the jobs bill, so the guy is going to be punished for keeping his promise to the people that voted him in. It sure would be nice if we had enough people with Browns attitude that they could form a third party that could win.
Just my morning ramblings.
Fishtaco

 

[stdreb27]

Liberals logic, I said this during the election last year. When I saw a buncha people says either Obama and Ron Paul. You couldn't get a more diametric polar opposites when it comes to political philosophy. It makes no sense...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3234184
I find it hilarious you are complaining of taxes. Especially in Texas. You guys are ranked 48th in total tax revenue taken per individual per capita. The average individual taxes collected per year per individual is around 1700 dollars. Compare that to other states and then to the federal government.
This is why when Texas talks tax increase the people don't complain...because your taxes in the country are considerably lower than every one else state to state. California brings in about 3200 per person.
Yet at the federal level each texan averaged out pays a little over 9000 in taxes per year. The average federal tax paid out per citizen across the country is about 8500.
So tell me again, which entity is truly raking your Texas ass over the coals for taxes?
Texas doesn't have state income taxes. The revenue you're talking about is state sales tax. Texas is taking a major hit on that tax due to the slump in the economy, and people not going out and buying stuff. We get nailed on property taxes. I pay approximately 6% of the value of my home to the county for taxes. Two-thirds of that goes to my local school district. I'd probably make out better paying state income on my salary than I pay for property taxes on my home. They reappraise my home every year, and the value of my home increases at least 15% every year. I can fight it, but I've rarely ever had the amount reduced.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3234222
Liberals logic, I said this during the election last year. When I saw a buncha people says either Obama and Ron Paul. You couldn't get a more diametric polar opposites when it comes to political philosophy. It makes no sense...
It does make sense if you support fiscal conservatism versus social conservatism. A vote for Obama or Paul is a vote against social conservatism. Simple as that, I think most that you would describe as being liberal probably support fiscal conservatism. I would have loved to see Paul as being the choice for V.P. instead of used-car salesman Joe Biden.
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3234229
Texas doesn't have state income taxes. The revenue you're talking about is state sales tax. Texas is taking a major hit on that tax due to the slump in the economy, and people not going out and buying stuff. We get nailed on property taxes. I pay approximately 6% of the value of my home to the county for taxes. Two-thirds of that goes to my local school district. I'd probably make out better paying state income on my salary than I pay for property taxes on my home. They reappraise my home every year, and the value of my home increases at least 15% every year. I can fight it, but I've rarely ever had the amount reduced.
I am talking total taxes collected by the state per capita. Be it sales tax, property tax, income tax, or what have you. It doesn't matter in which form it is, you guys enjoy one of the smallest taxed states in the union.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3234239
It does make sense if you support fiscal conservatism versus social conservatism. A vote for Obama or Paul is a vote against social conservatism. Simple as that, I think most that you would describe as being liberal probably support fiscal conservatism. I would have loved to see Paul as being the choice for V.P. instead of used-car salesman Joe Biden.
Fishtaco
Please read what you typed out loud next time.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3234239
It does make sense if you support fiscal conservatism versus social conservatism. A vote for Obama or Paul is a vote against social conservatism. Simple as that, I think most that you would describe as being liberal probably support fiscal conservatism. I would have loved to see Paul as being the choice for V.P. instead of used-car salesman Joe Biden.
Fishtaco
Well we know you've checked out from reality. Liberal probably support Fiscal Conservatism.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3234256
I am talking total taxes collected by the state per capita. Be it sales tax, property tax, income tax, or what have you. It doesn't matter in which form it is, you guys enjoy one of the smallest taxed states in the union.
I've never compared what my personal tax rate in Texas is to other states. I do know that Texas is not the best place to retire simply because of the property tax rates. That's probably why you see Texas' tax rate so low. Like I said, the only taxes the State collects from me is sales tax. They have nothing to do with the taxes assessed to me by my County, City, and School District. I imagine they get a cut of some sort, but it's not directly from me. If I lived in Cali, I'd get assessed what, a 5% income tax? What percent do they pay for property taxes? My house was appraised right under $350,000 last year. At 6% tax rate, do the math. I have buddies who live in houses that are over $1 million. Same tax rate regardless if you're 25 or 85. What's the state income tax and property tax rate in your state? I'd rather live in a state that has a high state income tax, and low property tax when I retire. My income will definitely be lower when I retire, but my property value just keeps going up year after year.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3234266
I've never compared what my personal tax rate in Texas is to other states. I do know that Texas is not the best place to retire simply because of the property tax rates. That's probably why you see Texas' tax rate so low. Like I said, the only taxes the State collects from me is sales tax. They have nothing to do with the taxes assessed to me by my County, City, and School District. I imagine they get a cut of some sort, but it's not directly from me. If I lived in Cali, I'd get assessed what, a 5% income tax? What percent do they pay for property taxes? My house was appraised right under $350,000 last year. At 6% tax rate, do the math. I have buddies who live in houses that are over $1 million. Same tax rate regardless if you're 25 or 85. What's the state income tax and property tax rate in your state? I'd rather live in a state that has a high state income tax, and low property tax when I retire. My income will definitely be lower when I retire, but my property value just keeps going up year after year.

I am going to say it again.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3234256
I am talking total taxes collected by the state per capita. Be it sales tax, property tax, income tax, or what have you. It doesn't matter in which form it is, you guys enjoy one of the smallest taxed states in the union.

You said state level....was also just as bad. Yet now once I point out the state level isn't bad, you bring up county and city taxes....
Oh, and average state property tax places texas at around 15. average tax collection is around 1500 per capita. When you add that in total tax revenue you guys still don't break the top 25 in total tax revenue collected within state..
While your property tax per year averages out to about 300 dollars more per capita than california, you guys still don't come near their taxes of many other states . No wonder you don't mind a tax increase on the federal level, you don't pay what half of the union already does....
If you don't like your tax rate on a 350,000 dollar house, don't buy a 350,000 dollar house. You don't NEED 350,000 dollar house.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3234137
And you wonder why the Constitutionlists want the states to have more power. They want to have less Federal Govt. involvement, yet State Govt's are just as corrupt and screw 'the people' more than the Feds do. I just read an article this morning that state tax revenues are at an all-time low due to the recession. So their only alternative is to RAISE TAXES. But you don't hear these Tea Baggers screaming and complaining about their state governments raising taxes, creating tolls for roads that are already paid for, forcing kids to take State mandated tests, or raising fees for state services. Texas has one of the lowest performing educational systems in the nation, but my local school board is wanting yet another $500 million bond to build even more schools. They want $25 million of it to go to an outdoor Olympic-style Natatorium (one with the high diving platforms, auditorium seating, etc.) This is for HIGH SCHOOL'S. We just had a $750 million bond package two years ago. They do these bond initiatives every two years, and they pass with flying colors. Yea, state and local governments are great.

Maybe if the liberal snobs would quite running their mouths for 2 seconds they would hear what people are or aren't complaining about.

Nice thing about state government is it is possible to term limit politicians. Only office on the national level with term limits is president/vice president.
And what, Texas cant cut spending on things like 500 million dollar stadiums? It's a lot easier to get the attention of your state representative than a Congressman or Senator.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3234212
I don't think I have called anyone here a racist, but I am interested in what Ron Paul has to say. I think one big plus for me is that everytime I have heard him speak he is calm and despite his somewhat radical thinking in a few areas of government I find his take what I have to say or not attitude refreshing. I for one do not like it when either the far-right or left shoves their political agenda down my throat.
I just read that Brown has the GOP angry because he voted for the jobs bill, so the guy is going to be punished for keeping his promise to the people that voted him in. It sure would be nice if we had enough people with Browns attitude that they could form a third party that could win.
Just my morning ramblings.
Fishtaco
I'm liking Brown so far. I think the bill he voted for is a waste of money in the long haul but it might get the ball rolling for something that will.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3234269
And what, Texas cant cut spending on things like 500 million dollar stadiums?
Why Texas isn't running a deficit? All 4 of the major sports teams have a stadium under 15 years old... We won't need a stadium for a while... If I'm not mistaken 3 of the 4 are paid off at the public level...

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3234261
Well we know you've checked out from reality. Liberal probably support Fiscal Conservatism.

Why would you say that? Every American should be for smaller more efficient government regardless of party. If that happened then things that liberals care about could be programs we could afford. There is a very distinct line between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism and social conservatism is what most libs I've meant have a problelm with. Nobody likes to see money flushed down the drain, you see Obama's spending being a problem and a liberal would see the spending on the Iraq war as a huge waste of money, just two different sides of the coin and Ron Paul would have never went to war with Iraq which is a good example of how a lib could vote for him. I am still in touch with reality and firmly believe that everyone would benefit if government could be run with less social activism from both sides.
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3234229
Texas doesn't have state income taxes. The revenue you're talking about is state sales tax. Texas is taking a major hit on that tax due to the slump in the economy, and people not going out and buying stuff. We get nailed on property taxes. I pay approximately 6% of the value of my home to the county for taxes. Two-thirds of that goes to my local school district. I'd probably make out better paying state income on my salary than I pay for property taxes on my home. They reappraise my home every year, and the value of my home increases at least 15% every year. I can fight it, but I've rarely ever had the amount reduced.
So taxes on a 150K house is 9,000.00 a year? Dam, those are California style rates. My taxes on a 187K house in Montana were 1,600.00 in 06 and there isn't a sales tax there.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3234271
Why Texas isn't running a deficit? All 4 of the major sports teams have a stadium under 15 years old... We won't need a stadium for a while... If I'm not mistaken 3 of the 4 are paid off at the public level...
Bionic was complaining they were going to have to raise taxes. I simply pointed out there are areas the state can cut spending too.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3234272
Why would you say that? Every American should be for smaller more efficient government regardless of party. If that happened then things that liberals care about could be programs we could afford. There is a very distinct line between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism and social conservatism is what most libs I've meant have a problelm with. Nobody likes to see money flushed down the drain, you see Obama's spending being a problem and a liberal would see the spending on the Iraq war as a huge waste of money, just two different sides of the coin and Ron Paul would have never went to war with Iraq which is a good example of how a lib could vote for him. I am still in touch with reality and firmly believe that everyone would benefit if government could be run with less social activism from both sides.
Fishtaco
A democrat party liberal and smaller government go together like ice cubes and a blast furnace.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3234272
Why would you say that? Every American should be for smaller more efficient government regardless of party. If that happened then things that liberals care about could be programs we could afford. There is a very distinct line between fiscal conservatism and social conservatism and social conservatism is what most libs I've meant have a problelm with. Nobody likes to see money flushed down the drain, you see Obama's spending being a problem and a liberal would see the spending on the Iraq war as a huge waste of money, just two different sides of the coin and Ron Paul would have never went to war with Iraq which is a good example of how a lib could vote for him. I am still in touch with reality and firmly believe that everyone would benefit if government could be run with less social activism from both sides.
Fishtaco
Do you really think that Gore, had he been president, not done military action following 9/11. Do you see Obama pulling out of the middle east? Nope, he's ramping up Afganistan... The reality is there is no comparison between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to fiscal conservatism.
Secondly there is a constitutional mandate to provide for the general defense. There is no constitutional mandate to redistribute wealth by taking it from the wealthy and giving it to the poor.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3234258
Please read what you typed out loud next time.
Enlighten me Darth. I feel my comment was valid and the last election was a clear rejection of the social conservatism Bush represented regardless of if you voted Paul or Obama. Being a moderate with liberal leanings socially and conservative leanings fiscally I don't see what the problem is here. I think the true dyed in the wool lefties are only common in DC and a few areas in Oregon and Cali, just like those with far-right views are not as common as you would think if you just read the postings on the internet. I would still like to think most Americans have more in common than not still and should understand that this divide between parties is the work of the puppet masters in DC and the talking heads at the 24 hour news places as much as anything really going on.
Fishtaco

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3234284
Do you really think that Gore, had he been president, not done military action following 9/11. Do you see Obama pulling out of the middle east? Nope, he's ramping up Afganistan... The reality is there is no comparison between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to fiscal conservatism.
Secondly there is a constitutional mandate to provide for the general defense. There is no constitutional mandate to redistribute wealth by taking it from the wealthy and giving it to the poor.
Bush and Reagan both spent a lot of money and at least on paper Clinton despite my dislike of the disgrace he brought the office left us in the black, so I don't think responsible spending is the realm of either branch.
I do doubt that Gore would have gotten us futher involved in Iraq. I have no problems with being in Afganistan, although I find the lack of progress frustrating by both admins and don't support limited war or nation building at this time.
There might not be a mandate to redistribute the wealth by taking it from the wealthy, but please remember that holds true when the situation is reversed as well.
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3234286
Enlighten me Darth. I feel my comment was valid and the last election was a clear rejection of the social conservatism Bush represented regardless of if you voted Paul or Obama. Being a moderate with liberal leanings socially and conservative leanings fiscally I don't see what the problem is here. I think the true dyed in the wool lefties are only common in DC and a few areas in Oregon and Cali, just like those with far-right views are not as common as you would think if you just read the postings on the internet. I would still like to think most Americans have more in common than not still and should understand that this divide between parties is the work of the puppet masters in DC and the talking heads at the 24 hour news places as much as anything really going on.
Fishtaco
I don't think the last election was a referendum on anything but people wanting something different. Ron Paul will never win the Republican nomination but if he did I believe he would win for the very same reason