your honest thoughts please

cicadae

New Member
Hello! This is the kind of posting that can make the forum perfectionists really cranky. If you are not prone towards irritability in regards to inept newbies, read on...
We both work full time and that means week-ends and late nights also. We got a pretty 55 gallon half moon tank (we are short people and it is almost 36 inches deep and set on a stand. A ladder is required for us to work with this and even then we cannot completely reach the bottom). We set it up with help but it seemed that every week something happened. The live rocks would avalanche (repeatedly) especially after the sleeper gobies did some heavy digging beneath them. We got this gorgeous green star serpent...that nobody warned us about and it ate several fish and got big really fast (that took some work removing). We thought we could change the filter medium and the canister opened with a pop! and water went everywhere! An anemone turned out to be the not so nice for fish type and it got a few little guys (removing it was a trip). And then we fell in love with corals and promptly killed the soft ones off (PH bounced). Finally we worried so much about the lawnmower blennie not eating that we probably overloaded the cycle and killed the rest of the guys off.
We have removed MOST of the bodies. The corals are not unhappy. We are in process of correcting the water and are aware that we have done every possible newbie mistake and probably more
. We are irrationally resolving our grief over losing Dorie, our beautiful yellow tang by avoiding looking at the aquarium or making comments about how we are" just beginners". Needless to say they were all very nice creatures and the experience of their demises has not been happy.
We do have an assistant who knows his fish and his aquariums. He can come monthly and sometimes runs over when we are desparate. He is not usually available on short notice and our knee jerk purchases and changes to the tank are not his fault either. He thinks we should keep trying. He is working on fixing our water and has ordered a wonderful set of LED lights to please the corals.
Another thing we are beginning to wonder is...is it true that aquariums are these peaceful zen type experiences as commercials hype them to be or...are they indeed mini micro societies much like our own where feuds, wars, petty disagreements, canibalism, dismemerment, and territory problems exist? I work with traumatized children as a mental health therapist. Coming home to find my pretty sweet whatchacallit eating or trying to eat my other pretty thingie can be stressful.
Please don't be overly critical. I have been deadly honest with you and if it helps, I am an awesome koi pond owner. To my credit, I did not overstock my tank (I dont think) and I did read up on the hobby and did not place the fish until the water was completely cycled.
Here are our questions:
1. Is there a way we can regroup without weekly catastrophies?
2. We are willing to cut down to 3-4 fish. Can you suggest a nice group that will LIKE each other and not hide behind or under the rocks?
3. Is there a way to maintain this tank without sacrificing many hours each week-end (I think I have the live rock avalanches under control)?
4. Is this the type of hobby that requires persons with more time on their hands and fewer responsibilities than we have?
5. (UGH) Should we consider turning towards fresh water?
Given the fact that we can invest in the monthly helper and can afford to stock the tank (money is not the issue as yet)...
What would you do?
Thanks :)
 

lilclowns

Member
I think you should let your tank run for a week or so and see if you can maintain a steady level, then think about adding fish.
 

cicadae

New Member
I would not even think of adding fish for quite awhile. We are just letting the tank peacefully regroup. It was nice to see the crabs though.
 

cicadae

New Member
I loved the yellow tang, the lawnmower blennie, the coral beauty, and the 3 false percula. I had a sweet tomato clown but have been told that with age, it would have gotten mean. I have also heard that the lawnmower blennies are hard to feed.
 

lilclowns

Member
I am afraid your tank is too small for a tang. A coral beauty is great, but be careful in the reef tank- you have to keep them well fed. Also, 3 clowns will not get along, you must have one pair. Yeah tomatos are mean! I have see a lawnmore blenny attack a coral beauty angel. All these could get anlong with fairy wrasses...if you like them of course
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Originally Posted by Cicadae http:///t/390324/your-honest-thoughts-please#post_3455856
I loved the yellow tang, the lawnmower blennie, the coral beauty, and the 3 false percula. I had a sweet tomato clown but have been told that with age, it would have gotten mean. I have also heard that the lawnmower blennies are hard to feed.
 

cicadae

New Member
ok, I will add that to my "safe" list. Thank you !
I also loved the emerald crabs. They were awesome.
 

slice

Active Member
My honest thoughts:
1) Welcome to the hobby and to this site!
2) Don't give up!
3) Read the sticky threads at the top of the "New Hobbyist" forum here: https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/f/15/new-hobbyists
4) Filter the advice given with your own research
5) Be an active member of this forum and ask questions; be open to advice
6) There are many 'not short' people here that can't reach the bottom of their tanks either...deal with it
7) Don't give up!
8) Let your passion fuel your progress; nothing happens quickly in this hobby (except bad things), use extreme patience
9) Enjoy! You are in great company, and every one of us started from somewhere
10) Add your location to your profile so we can relate better
11) We love pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
+1 for slices advice.
If a tall tank like that is not good for you, buy a custom shallow tank with a sump system so that you can do all the maintenance work in the sump instead of the tank. Custom stands are easy to build, and a 20g long sump is easy to baffle. It's also short and you would have plenty of room to work in and view your tank.
Something else not mentioned yet is that you should keep only two clownfish of the same species in one tank. When you all set up the tank, the rock should have been placed in first and then he sand and water. This allows the foundations to be used to support the rock for when gobies dig.
The yellow tang didn't belong in your tank. Minimum 4 foot long tank and preferably six to eight foot. Tangs are long distance swimmers and when you cram them in to a tiny tank it stresses hem out and they get sick and die.
Keep researching and stop making spontaneous purchases for he time being. Take your time and buy a few good fish and invert books. You can do it! It will just take more patience and research than other things.
 

cicadae

New Member
Thanks for the advice.
I am going to keep trying with the tank (but I might build my own stand that is shorter). You are right on the tang. It needed more space. If the water is decent in about 2-3 weeks, maybe two small false percula and then wait.
Any idea as to when I could add crabs?
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
Lil clowns, you are incorrect dear sir. Green emerald crabs eat whatever thy can find. In general, they will eat leftover fish food and other waste. Feeding emeralds is just a waste of food and can lead to excessive amounts of nutrients in the tank causing algae issues and deteriorating the water quality.
Lil clowns, please read and research a little more. You are doing a wonderful job tryin to help new hobbyists, and I thank you for that! Keep it up, but just make sure you are giving detailed and accurate information.
 

lilclowns

Member
I was just giving an example of my experience with them
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390324/your-honest-thoughts-please#post_3455901
Lil clowns, you are incorrect dear sir. Green emerald crabs eat whatever thy can find. In general, they will eat leftover fish food and other waste. Feeding emeralds is just a waste of food and can lead to excessive amounts of nutrients in the tank causing algae issues and deteriorating the water quality.
Lil clowns, please read and research a little more. You are doing a wonderful job tryin to help new hobbyists, and I thank you for that! Keep it up, but just make sure you are giving detailed and accurate information.
 

slice

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/390324/your-honest-thoughts-please#post_3455901
Lil clowns, you are incorrect dear sir. Green emerald crabs eat whatever thy can find. In general, they will eat leftover fish food and other waste. Feeding emeralds is just a waste of food and can lead to excessive amounts of nutrients in the tank causing algae issues and deteriorating the water quality.
Lil clowns, please read and research a little more. You are doing a wonderful job tryin to help new hobbyists, and I thank you for that! Keep it up, but just make sure you are giving detailed and accurate information.
+1
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Originally Posted by lilclowns
http:///t/390324/your-honest-thoughts-please#post_3455903
I was just giving an example of my experience with them
Emerald Crabs are often observed reaching out to "grab" passing fish or other tank mates. This behavior is often interpreted as aggression when it is actually a defensive reaction.
 
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