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mantisman51

mantisman51

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_stabbing_spree
I think all reasonable people can agree that we need a 5 day waiting period and a 3" maximum length for knives. I know all you right-wing foodies will disagree 'cause you can't stand the thought of not having a complete knife set, but this is more important than your right to own a butcher knife. Also, all knives should have serial #'s and unique blade "prints". I know all you right-wingers need a guillotine, right?
 
gemmy

gemmy

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360079
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_stabbing_spree
I think all reasonable people can agree that we need a 5 day waiting period and a 3" maximum length for knives. I know all you right-wing foodies will disagree 'cause you can't stand the thought of not having a complete knife set, but this is more important than your right to own a butcher knife. Also, all knives should have serial #'s and unique blade "prints". I know all you right-wingers need a guillotine, right?
I hope your joking with what your saying. If a person wants to kill people, they will find a way no matter what laws are in place to regulate. Where there is a will there is a way.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360082
Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360079
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_stabbing_spree
I think all reasonable people can agree that we need a 5 day waiting period and a 3" maximum length for knives. I know all you right-wing foodies will disagree 'cause you can't stand the thought of not having a complete knife set, but this is more important than your right to own a butcher knife. Also, all knives should have serial #'s and unique blade "prints". I know all you right-wingers need a guillotine, right?
I hope your joking with what your saying. If a person wants to kill people, they will find a way no matter what laws are in place to regulate. Where there is a will there is a way.
Illustrating absurdity by being absurd... Quite brilliantly I might add.
 
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brandonsivek

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Anything for a left-wing nut job to start something. What in the H**L does a psycho knife attacker have to do with it being Republicans faults? Dude, this is a salt water fish forum and you cant find a hobby?
 
1snapple

1snapple

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wow, I like knives, so many purposes.
I own numerous knives ranging from pocket knife 1 1/4" blade up to a machete.
I use all except the machete (no real use for a machete)
Stupid people will be stupid people.
Its like the saying "If you make something idot proof someone will find a better idiot."
You my friend might just the better idiot.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Knife issue aside, I can't be the only one, that was put off by the article references to the guy as a "graffiti artist." Sorta like that was an acceptable way to spend one's time, tagging up train cars.... On this guy's rampage in NYC, I honestly can't believe it lasted all the way to the crew on the train. He carjacked like 4 people. How does one even carjack a person with a knife? What did the driver's not think he was serious after seeing the knife, rolled down the window and were like "Okay, buddy, what's up?"
And this isn't some internet toughest guy competition comment, but if I was attempted carjacked by someone with a knife, and somehow he was able to ever so mortally wound me in the hand
, you can bet assured, that his reign of terror would be over.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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They have what they call permission walls here for the "artists". My question is what happens when you run out of permission walls? Not everyone thinks vandalism is art.
Thing about car jackers is they operate on the same principle as shock and awe. By the time you process what's going on they are behind the wheel driving off. Even having a gun in the car isn't a whole lot of help if they bust the window and have a knife at your throat before you know what's going on.
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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It is odd that someone immigrates to America to pursue his dream of becoming a graffiti "artist". For those who don't "get" it, I used the EXACT same arguments for knife control that has been used by the left for gun control. But I did leave out that if New Yorkers live in such a dangerous place, they should leave New York, rather than arm themselves for protection. After all, self defense is not a right and we should all run away and abandon any place these evil knife-wielders want.
 
gemmy

gemmy

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360156
And this isn't some internet toughest guy competition comment, but if I was attempted carjacked by someone with a knife, and somehow he was able to ever so mortally wound me in the hand
, you can bet assured, that his reign of terror would be over.
Trust me if you had been carjacked, you would look at this differently.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360209
It is odd that someone immigrates to America to pursue his dream of becoming a graffiti "artist". For those who don't "get" it, I used the EXACT same arguments for knife control that has been used by the left for gun control. But I did leave out that if New Yorkers live in such a dangerous place, they should leave New York, rather than arm themselves for protection. After all, self defense is not a right and we should all run away and abandon any place these evil knife-wielders want.
That went over most people's head. I'm not sure how, but they must make cookies in trees or something...
 
gemmy

gemmy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360209
It is odd that someone immigrates to America to pursue his dream of becoming a graffiti "artist". For those who don't "get" it, I used the EXACT same arguments for knife control that has been used by the left for gun control. But I did leave out that if New Yorkers live in such a dangerous place, they should leave New York, rather than arm themselves for protection. After all, self defense is not a right and we should all run away and abandon any place these evil knife-wielders want.
Where in the article does it state that he immigrating to America to pursue his dream of becoming a graffiti artist? It does say him and his mother became naturalized citizens around 2004 or 2005. Obviously, I don't agree with the "exact statements" for knife control or gun control.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360209
It is odd that someone immigrates to America to pursue his dream of becoming a graffiti "artist". For those who don't "get" it, I used the EXACT same arguments for knife control that has been used by the left for gun control. But I did leave out that if New Yorkers live in such a dangerous place, they should leave New York, rather than arm themselves for protection. After all, self defense is not a right and we should all run away and abandon any place these evil knife-wielders want.
Some people have an irrational fear of guns. What is really funny is the same people who read the second amendment's plain language and not see a right to own guns can see a right to abortion when the subject isn't even addressed anywhere in the constitution.
Anyone happen to know the percentage of crime the police actually prevent?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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I know less than 50 percent of crimes are solved. I suspect the actual number of crimes police actively prevent is less than one percent.
 
gemmy

gemmy

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360265
I know less than 50 percent of crimes are solved. I suspect the actual number of crimes police actively prevent is less than one percent.
Police are more of a reactive force, and sometimes they are too dumb to react (this comment is from my personal experience that happened). The percentage that I found was less than 5%, but I could not find any other info to back that number up.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360252
Trust me if you had been carjacked, you would look at this differently.
That's just not exactly what I mean. Someone walks up to my car, points a shotgun at me through the window and tellls me to "get out," trust me, I'm out of the car telling him have a nice day. But some lunatic runs up, and pounds on my window (breaking a window is not nearly as easy as it's made out to be) who has a knife, I just think my response would be fight, since there's just so high of chance being stabbed anyway, regardless of how well you try to cooperate with them. Even with a knife at your throat, it's impossible for you to get out of the car, and him into it, without a window of opportunity for self defense. I'd rather get stabbed trying, then get stabbed while bent over crying no...
But moving off that point, the rest of his reign of terror, what about when he randomly stabbed the passenger on the train. Where were the other passengers?
EDIT: They've updated the articled. The whole train ordeal is worse, where were those other passengers?? How does someone witness a guy jump onto your moving train, start pounding on the door to the cab, yelling let me in, then failing to do so, turns onto a fellow passenger, and just sit there? Where was the help? My fear would be that "I'm next" so I would think let's work together, and neutralize this guy.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360475
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360252
Trust me if you had been carjacked, you would look at this differently.
That's just not exactly what I mean. Someone walks up to my car, points a shotgun at me through the window and tellls me to "get out," trust me, I'm out of the car telling him have a nice day. But some lunatic runs up, and pounds on my window (breaking a window is not nearly as easy as it's made out to be) who has a knife, I just think my response would be fight, since there's just so high of chance being stabbed anyway, regardless of how well you try to cooperate with them. Even with a knife at your throat, it's impossible for you to get out of the car, and him into it, without a window of opportunity for self defense. I'd rather get stabbed trying, then get stabbed while bent over crying no...
But moving off that point, the rest of his reign of terror, what about when he randomly stabbed the passenger on the train. Where were the other passengers?
EDIT: They've updated the articled. The whole train ordeal is worse, where were those other passengers?? How does someone witness a guy jump onto your moving train, start pounding on the door to the cab, yelling let me in, then failing to do so, turns onto a fellow passenger, and just sit there? Where was the help? My fear would be that "I'm next" so I would think let's work together, and neutralize this guy.
I am 100 Opercent disabled by social security standards but I am also a big guy. If I were on a train and someone started going after another passenger with a knife I am pretty sure I could do some serious damage with a crutch. I know I could at least try. I don't understand how people just sit there either. Based on the Arizona incident other people feel the same way. Two guys and a woman jumped Demento Fester when he had a gun.
 
tangs rule

tangs rule

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/383860/yup-i-m-going-there#post_3360079
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_stabbing_spree
I think all reasonable people can agree that we need a 5 day waiting period and a 3" maximum length for knives. I know all you right-wing foodies will disagree 'cause you can't stand the thought of not having a complete knife set, but this is more important than your right to own a butcher knife. Also, all knives should have serial #'s and unique blade "prints". I know all you right-wingers need a guillotine, right?
Sombody been watching too much MSNBC.....and only "reasonable" (insane) people would overlook the bloody obvious - one can commit murder with anything (cars/planes/fertalizer&diesel/bare hands/a toothbrush)......Besides - only a moron brings a 3" knife to a gun fight, and natural selection takes care of that issue everytime. . .
 
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