0bama's latest campaign ploy

reefraff · May 10, 2011

Just watched his immigration speech. Now he's trying to equate illegal aliens with the honest immigrants who played by the rules and came here the right way. It was interesting to hear people in the audience chanting tear it down when he mentioned the border fence. Who in their right mind would want to tear down the fence that at least helps keep drug and human smugglers out?
So now we'll see if "latino" voters are foolish enough to be sucked in by his BS. He promised to tackle immigration reform early in his administration and hasn't done squat so far.

bionicarm · May 10, 2011

And you're surprised by this? Gotta get the votes where you can get them. Isn't American politics great?
Those supposed "walls" are a minimum deterrent for those who really want to get across. Keep drug smugglers out? You didn't see the reports of the multiple tunnels those guys have bulit along the Mexico border? Why go over them when you can simply go under them...

reefraff · May 11, 2011

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382609
And you're surprised by this? Gotta get the votes where you can get them. Isn't American politics great?
Those supposed "walls" are a minimum deterrent for those who really want to get across. Keep drug smugglers out? You didn't see the reports of the multiple tunnels those guys have bulit along the Mexico border? Why go over them when you can simply go under them...
Fence helps. How long does it take to dig a tunnel?
What really surprises my is people buy into the idea they are taking control of the border. Less than 50% control at this point. They can throw all the "stats" out there they want but I have a friend who is law enforcement in Az and he says it's still crazy there. Lot of people left when they passed 1070 and when Obutthead sued to stop the law more came in to replace them.

bionicarm · May 11, 2011

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382627
Fence helps. How long does it take to dig a tunnel?
What really surprises my is people buy into the idea they are taking control of the border. Less than 50% control at this point. They can throw all the "stats" out there they want but I have a friend who is law enforcement in Az and he says it's still crazy there. Lot of people left when they passed 1070 and when Obutthead sued to stop the law more came in to replace them.
I'm sure it takes quite a while to dig those tunnels. Here's an article that describes a huge one they found over in San Diego. They aren't sure how long that sucker was in operation...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/26/world/main7093057.shtml

slice · May 11, 2011

I posted this in my first ever here. At the time I did not know the source. I've since found the source to be a Czech politician. Funny how folks looking in can see more clearly than those of us looking from within:
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

reefraff · May 11, 2011

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Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382745
I posted this in my first ever here. At the time I did not know the source. I've since found the source to be a Czech politician. Funny how folks looking in can see more clearly than those of us looking from within:
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
Absolutely. People bought into a first term senator with questionable associations in his recent past and and despite some very telling votes and positions stated during his short legislative career are surprised he isn't the centrist he claimed during his campaign.

darthtang aw · May 11, 2011

And you're surprised by this? Gotta get the votes where you can get them. Isn't American politics great?

Those supposed "walls" are a minimum deterrent for those who really want to get across. Keep drug smugglers out? You didn't see the reports of the multiple tunnels those guys have bulit along the Mexico border? Why go over them when you can simply go under them...
The security screenings are a minimum deterent for those terrorist that want to blow up u.s. citizens...

kjr_trig · May 11, 2011

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382600
Who in their right mind would want to tear down the fence that at least helps keep drug and human smugglers out?
People who simply put, just don't know any better and are completely out of touch and clueless with what is going on near the borders

bionicarm · May 11, 2011

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382767
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382609
And you're surprised by this? Gotta get the votes where you can get them. Isn't American politics great?
Those supposed "walls" are a minimum deterrent for those who really want to get across. Keep drug smugglers out? You didn't see the reports of the multiple tunnels those guys have bulit along the Mexico border? Why go over them when you can simply go under them...
The security screenings are a minimum deterent for those terrorist that want to blow up u.s. citizens...
Minimum deterrent? Try useless deterrent. Look what they allow through the airport security gates these days. Ninety-eight percent of flyers these days carry either a laptop, smartphone, Ipod/MP3 player, or all three. All you do with those devices is throw them in some plastic bin, and they are run through an X-Ray machine to look for anything "suspicious". You don't think some terrorist couldn't fashion some sort of explosive to look like a cell phone or laptop battery, and stick it inside of that device and walk it right through? How well do they really inspect checked-in luggage? Fill a shampoo bottle full of a liquid explosive, rig some sort of detonator to the cap, and use that cell phone you carry onto the plane as a transmitter. Sounds a little "McGyverish", but bottomline if a terrorist really wanted to blow up a plane, they'd have multiple ways of succeeding.
No, the TSA is too busy patting down and frisking babies and old ladies in wheelchairs. Now those are some REAL suspicious individuals...

darthtang aw · May 11, 2011

Minimum deterrent? Try useless deterrent. Look what they allow through the airport security gates these days. Ninety-eight percent of flyers these days carry either a laptop, smartphone, Ipod/MP3 player, or all three. All you do with those devices is throw them in some plastic bin, and they are run through an X-Ray machine to look for anything "suspicious". You don't think some terrorist couldn't fashion some sort of explosive to look like a cell phone or laptop battery, and stick it inside of that device and walk it right through? How well do they really inspect checked-in luggage? Fill a shampoo bottle full of a liquid explosive, rig some sort of detonator to the cap, and use that cell phone you carry onto the plane as a transmitter. Sounds a little "McGyverish", but bottomline if a terrorist really wanted to blow up a plane, they'd have multiple ways of succeeding.

No, the TSA is too busy patting down and frisking babies and old ladies in wheelchairs. Now those are some REAL suspicious individuals...

So we should just stop all together then...no security screenings at all.....sounds like a great idea.....

bionicarm · May 11, 2011

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382834
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382824
Minimum deterrent? Try useless deterrent. Look what they allow through the airport security gates these days. Ninety-eight percent of flyers these days carry either a laptop, smartphone, Ipod/MP3 player, or all three. All you do with those devices is throw them in some plastic bin, and they are run through an X-Ray machine to look for anything "suspicious". You don't think some terrorist couldn't fashion some sort of explosive to look like a cell phone or laptop battery, and stick it inside of that device and walk it right through? How well do they really inspect checked-in luggage? Fill a shampoo bottle full of a liquid explosive, rig some sort of detonator to the cap, and use that cell phone you carry onto the plane as a transmitter. Sounds a little "McGyverish", but bottomline if a terrorist really wanted to blow up a plane, they'd have multiple ways of succeeding.
No, the TSA is too busy patting down and frisking babies and old ladies in wheelchairs. Now those are some REAL suspicious individuals...
So we should just stop all together then...no security screenings at all.....sounds like a great idea.....
Wouldn't bother me. I just love taking off my shoes, my belt, my watch, my wedding ring, emptying my pockets, pulling out my quart-sized plastic bag with all my travel-sized toiletries, and my laptop, stuffing them in three or more gray plastic bins, waiting my turn, get the option to either stand with my legs spread apart and have some machine buzz me with radiation, or even better yet, have someone 'touch my junk' with a smile on their face (I get to say "Wait a minute... Ahhhh. Was it good for you? Do you have a cigarette?) then do the reverse and put everything back on, repack my carry-on, then finally go sit down in some uncomfortable chair for 1 1/2 hours because I was told I had to be at the airport at least two hours before my flight because of said previous security screening....
Never mind. That's the most enjoyable part of my trip...

darthtang aw · May 11, 2011

Wouldn't bother me. I just love taking off my shoes, my belt, my watch, my wedding ring, emptying my pockets, pulling out my quart-sized plastic bag with all my travel-sized toiletries, and my laptop, stuffing them in three or more gray plastic bins, waiting my turn, get the option to either stand with my legs spread apart and have some machine buzz me with radiation, or even better yet, have someone 'touch my junk' with a smile on their face (I get to say "Wait a minute... Ahhhh. Was it good for you? Do you have a cigarette?) then do the reverse and put everything back on, repack my carry-on, then finally go sit down in some uncomfortable chair for 1 1/2 hours because I was told I had to be at the airport at least two hours before my flight because of said previous security screening....

Never mind. That's the most enjoyable part of my trip...

Of course it wouldn't bother you...........letms ask a family member from a victim of 9/11 how they feel.........I apologize for your flight inconvienan ce...next time drive or sail.

brianbeme80 · May 11, 2011

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382844
Wouldn't bother me. I just love taking off my shoes, my belt, my watch, my wedding ring, emptying my pockets, pulling out my quart-sized plastic bag with all my travel-sized toiletries, and my laptop, stuffing them in three or more gray plastic bins, waiting my turn, get the option to either stand with my legs spread apart and have some machine buzz me with radiation, or even better yet, have someone 'touch my junk' with a smile on their face (I get to say "Wait a minute... Ahhhh. Was it good for you? Do you have a cigarette?) then do the reverse and put everything back on, repack my carry-on, then finally go sit down in some uncomfortable chair for 1 1/2 hours because I was told I had to be at the airport at least two hours before my flight because of said previous security screening....
Never mind. That's the most enjoyable part of my trip...

wow

reefraff · May 12, 2011

Israel's airline does a background check on people at the time they buy their ticket. We should do the same thing here.

mantisman51 · May 12, 2011

I think security has gone WAAAYYYY too far at airports. I have flown once(to Puerto Rico and back) since 9/11 rules have gone into place because of the over-zealous screeners. I have to use a cane and was forced to walk through the metal detectors with no cane, no shoes and without touching the scanner, which made me fall 3 times so I got pulled in for a strip search. Thankfully the b@st@rds never gave me a body cavity or I would be in prison today for killing the SOB. THAT is stupid, not security. My blonde hair, blue-eyed wife who flies alot on business has been strip-searched twice in the last 2 years. If you say, "well then don't fly", you are a communist-not a socialist-a full fledged all-powerful government communist. Even if you claim to be conservative or a republican. I just wish enough people would stop flying altogether. When they couldn't collect enough HS taxes, then the politicians would have to change some of these ridiculous rules.

mantisman51 · May 12, 2011

I feel honored. I went to post on another thread and got a message that the user had blocked me. Thank you big guy. Being blocked by Toyota and Mac owners makes me feel like I'm doing something right.

darthtang aw · May 12, 2011

I think security has gone WAAAYYYY too far at airports. I have flown once(to Puerto Rico and back) since 9/11 rules have gone into place because of the over-zealous screeners. I have to use a cane and was forced to walk through the metal detectors with no cane, no shoes and without touching the scanner, which made me fall 3 times so I got pulled in for a strip search. Thankfully the b@st@rds never gave me a body cavity or I would be in prison today for killing the SOB. THAT is stupid, not security. My blonde hair, blue-eyed wife who flies alot on business has been strip-searched twice in the last 2 years. If you say, "well then don't fly", you are a communist-not a socialist-a full fledged all-powerful government communist. Even if you claim to be conservative or a republican. I just wish enough people would stop flying altogether. When they couldn't collect enough HS taxes, then the politicians would have to change some of these ridiculous rules.
12 box cutters on four planes killed how many people...innocent people.....good hard working people...someones friend, mother, father, son, daughter, grandchild, grandparent, cousin, aunt, uncle............
If this is how one feels on airport security truly, then hell..let's just end the war on terror as well........obviously the cost and inconvienance is to high when compared to 3000 lives......
They always forget
Darth (I wont) Tang

bionicarm · May 12, 2011

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382889
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/385623/0bama-s-latest-campaign-ploy#post_3382882
I think security has gone WAAAYYYY too far at airports. I have flown once(to Puerto Rico and back) since 9/11 rules have gone into place because of the over-zealous screeners. I have to use a cane and was forced to walk through the metal detectors with no cane, no shoes and without touching the scanner, which made me fall 3 times so I got pulled in for a strip search. Thankfully the b@st@rds never gave me a body cavity or I would be in prison today for killing the SOB. THAT is stupid, not security. My blonde hair, blue-eyed wife who flies alot on business has been strip-searched twice in the last 2 years. If you say, "well then don't fly", you are a communist-not a socialist-a full fledged all-powerful government communist. Even if you claim to be conservative or a republican. I just wish enough people would stop flying altogether. When they couldn't collect enough HS taxes, then the politicians would have to change some of these ridiculous rules.
12 box cutters on four planes killed how many people...innocent people.....good hard working people...someones friend, mother, father, son, daughter, grandchild, grandparent, cousin, aunt, uncle............
If this is how one feels on airport security truly, then hell..let's just end the war on terror as well........obviously the cost and inconvienance is to high when compared to 3000 lives......
They always forget
Darth (I wont) Tang
That's why we have marshals flying on planes now. Someone pull a box cutter with them on board, and they wouldn't make it past first class.
You don't have to practically strip someone down to their skivvy's to find a box cutter these days. That was simply laziness on the person running the scanner. It was an oversight. Unfortunately they went from one extreme to another to provide 'safety' for today's passengers. Could someone get to a pilot today with a box cutter? Not likely. After 9/11, the pilots lock themselves in behind a solid door once they pull from the gate. NO ONE gets in or out unless there's a confirmation. That procedure doesn't require me to get a 'pat down' before entering the plane. If that one procedure was in in place and strictly enforced prior to 9/11, it's very possible that event wouldn't have ever happened. If some nutcase stood up today with a box cutter in their hand threatening to slit the throat of another passenger, I'd laugh, stand up with my laptop power cord, and proceed to beat the idiot senseless. That power cord has about a one pound transformer on the end of it with a 6' cord. I guarantee you I could do some damage to his head or body before her could get close to me with that 1" blade.

deejeff442 · May 12, 2011

i just heard yesterday someone was trying to get into the cockpit and the marshal stopped him after the second try.so seems to me he got past first class.he told the stewardess he thought it was the restroom and tried to head but the door open.

darthtang aw · May 12, 2011

That's why we have marshals flying on planes now. Someone pull a box cutter with them on board, and they wouldn't make it past first class.

You don't have to practically strip someone down to their skivvy's to find a box cutter these days. That was simply laziness on the person running the scanner. It was an oversight. Unfortunately they went from one extreme to another to provide 'safety' for today's passengers. Could someone get to a pilot today with a box cutter? Not likely. After 9/11, the pilots lock themselves in behind a solid door once they pull from the gate. NO ONE gets in or out unless there's a confirmation. That procedure doesn't require me to get a 'pat down' before entering the plane. If that one procedure was in in place and strictly enforced prior to 9/11, it's very possible that event wouldn't have ever happened. If some nutcase stood up today with a box cutter in their hand threatening to slit the throat of another passenger, I'd laugh, stand up with my laptop power cord, and proceed to beat the idiot senseless. That power cord has about a one pound transformer on the end of it with a 6' cord. I guarantee you I could do some damage to his head or body before her could get close to me with that 1" blade.

Wow......it is late...will adress this later...but there is so much pomp and naivity in this post regarding a situation as you have mentioned.

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