Bush's War

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2573601
Rudedog, Al-Sadr is not new... he's been one of the key players since the beginning (which is why he is currently hiding in Iran).
Soldiers serve multiple tours as they are rotated in and out. Unless you are advocating we triple the size of our military (which I'm all for btw) soldiers will have ot serve multiple tours.
They know this, and retention rates and enlistment rates are still on target...
Oh yeah, we know you're stance. Instead of going over there as a contractor, why don't you sign up? Stay over there for 3 straight tours. See how long you last over in a foreign country for 3 years where you have the potential of getting your head blown off everyday. Where exactly are you getting your inflated retention and enlistment numbers? I'm sure all the pro-war web sites will stick any number of their liking up there.
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2573773
One of the thing you must consider when advocating a position is the alternative. And "diplomacy" is the other option, because we can't allow countries to be breeding grounds for terrorists. We did that during clinton and we see the results of such action. Do you really believe that we just need to talk with them some more and that would overcome the history of violence they've had in the Middle East? How long do we sit back and watch while they breed more fanatical terrorists. How many more terrorist attacks? You guys moan about the length of the war, but the sad thing about war is there is no other alternative. Unless you want to sit back and watch them breed more and more terrorists. And ship them over to attack us.
Come on. I've already posted too many threads on the subject of alternatives. If all you're over there for is the hope that we will completely erradicate terrorism, you're gonna be there for a LOOONG time. You're not going to be able to 'convert' everyone. There will always be terrorists in some form or fashion. Like I said, we have to worry more about American fanatics that are killing people here in the US, instead of Islamic terrorists. Quit living in fear of terrorists. If you live that way, they've already suceeded in their mission.
 

reefraff

Active Member
For 2007 the military exceeded recruitment goals and this year I just heard this on the news and found it reported on the fleet reserve website.................
Military Services Met or Exceeded Recruiting Goals for March
DoD announced this week that March is the 10th straight month that all the military services hit their recruiting targets, and all of the services have surpassed their recruiting goals to date for FY 2008.
The Marines finished with a two-month streak of 137 percent of its 1,632-recruit goal. The Navy hit 100 percent of its goal with 2,909 recruits. In the Reserve components, the Navy and Marine Corps Reserves also made 100 percent of their recruiting goals for the month, gaining 865 and 553 recruits, respectively.
The Association tracks manpower levels to ensure adequate personnel is available to meet operational requirements.
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2574058
For 2007 the military exceeded recruitment goals and this year I just heard this on the news and found it reported on the fleet reserve website.................
Military Services Met or Exceeded Recruiting Goals for March
DoD announced this week that March is the 10th straight month that all the military services hit their recruiting targets, and all of the services have surpassed their recruiting goals to date for FY 2008.
The Marines finished with a two-month streak of 137 percent of its 1,632-recruit goal. The Navy hit 100 percent of its goal with 2,909 recruits. In the Reserve components, the Navy and Marine Corps Reserves also made 100 percent of their recruiting goals for the month, gaining 865 and 553 recruits, respectively.
The Association tracks manpower levels to ensure adequate personnel is available to meet operational requirements.
And you want me to believe a web site created by the military? You actually think they're going to say, "No one is signing up for military service. Our recruiting numbers are the lowest they've been in 5 years". The Army has their ongoing commercials about giving you $40 grand to sign up. Talk about hanging a carrot in front of someone's face. Some backwoods trailer trash kid that thinks $10,000 is a lot of money would jump on that in a heartbeat. If they only knew what they were getting into...
 

rudedog40

Member
Enjoyed the debate while it lasted my friends. Won't be posting here any longer. I can no longer deal with the ultra conservative moralistic moderators that run the quasi-intelligent board. MichealTX has pushed the final button. It's hilarious you can write 14 pages debating a useless war in Iraq, yet you post one controversial thread about something we discussed multiple times, and the Dictators you call Mods delete it. I argue with the jerk, and he basically threatens me to DARE to continue arguing my position. If this is the way he wants to run this forum, that's his perrogative. His exact statement:
This is the last time I am going to say drop it, The post was talking about illegal things so it was deleted!
there is nothing else to say about it. Just becuase your thread was deleted doesnt give the right to demand other posts to be deleted that you dont agree with. as far as me opening threads thats my job and the other mods of this board. If you dont like it there are several other board out there.
Unless there is a real issue with a thread I dont expect a PM back on this or any posting in the forums this is not up for debate.
Mike
You want to live with your First Amendment freedoms being violated? Go for it. Me, I'll build a forum that you can actually speak you mind. Stay tuned. You may actually want to jump ship to the real world. The Neocons that run this site still live in the 1900's....
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2574141
And you want me to believe a web site created by the military? You actually think they're going to say, "No one is signing up for military service. Our recruiting numbers are the lowest they've been in 5 years". The Army has their ongoing commercials about giving you $40 grand to sign up. Talk about hanging a carrot in front of someone's face. Some backwoods trailer trash kid that thinks $10,000 is a lot of money would jump on that in a heartbeat. If they only knew what they were getting into...
There are other sites reporting the same thing, this was just the easiest to find. Sorry but sites like stonedmorons.com aren't going to report this type of information. I don't suppose you would consider a source like the US Department of Defense a credible source on issues like military recruitment but for others following along
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/...eleaseid=11398
The Department of Defense announced today its recruiting and retention statistics for the Active and Reserve components for Fiscal Year 2007.
· Active Duty Recruiting Fiscal Year 2007. All Services met or exceeded their recruiting goals for FY 2007.
Annual – End of Fiscal Year 2007 Accessions Goal Percent
Army 80,407 80,000 101
Navy 37,361 37,000 101
Marine Corps 35,603 35,576 100
Air Force 27,801 27,801 100
· Active Duty Retention. Retention remains extremely strong in the active force with all Services having met or exceeded their aggregate year-to-date targets. The Marine Corps surpassed its overall aggregate reenlistment mission (110%) allowing them to exceed their FY07 targeted end strength by a comfortable margin. Air Force final information is pending.
Here's an article from the leftwing propaganda rag the San Fransico Chronicle. Of course they reported on the shortfall over two months but didn't report on the fact that as predicted in the underlined section all four branches met or exceeded their 2007 goals. Notice the slip in May of 2007 was the "first time in about 2 years" the military failed to meet it's monthly goals.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...w103812D03.DTL
US Army Misses June Recruiting Goal
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
Monday, July 9, 2007
The Army failed to meet its recruiting goal in June, raising concern that the unpopular Iraq war and strong economy could wreak even more havoc on enlistments.
Army officials acknowledged Monday that the service missed its recruiting target for the second month in a row, but would not provide exact numbers. But two defense officials said the Army fell short of its 8,400 goal by about 15 percent — which is more than twice the June shortfall and would mean that roughly 7,000 recruits signed up.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the recruiting numbers are not scheduled for release until Tuesday.
Last month the Army said it recruited 5,101 new soldiers in May, about 7 percent short of its 5,500 goal for that month.
Army spokesman Col. Dan Baggio said the Army is still on track to meet its annual goal of 80,000 recruits for the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30, since it exceeded targets earlier in the year.
But, he added, "This is not necessarily a rosy picture. We're not taking this lightly."
The slip in May was the first time in about two years that the Army did not meet recruiting goals. It came as the Pentagon is struggling to increase the overall size of the Army and Marine Corps, as part of an effort to provide the warfighting capability needed.
As far as your comment about backwoods trailer trash I guess that makes you about as big an elistist pile of crap as Obama. Instead of worrying about 402 day or whatever idiotic code the stoners (Stoner: Someone who can't put down the bong long enough to experience a moment of clarity) are using to "fool" the man you should open a window and get a clue.
MODS, Sorry for a flame but I am sick and tired of know- nothing punks running down the guys who join the military.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2574141
And you want me to believe a web site created by the military? You actually think they're going to say, "No one is signing up for military service. Our recruiting numbers are the lowest they've been in 5 years". The Army has their ongoing commercials about giving you $40 grand to sign up. Talk about hanging a carrot in front of someone's face. Some backwoods trailer trash kid that thinks $10,000 is a lot of money would jump on that in a heartbeat. If they only knew what they were getting into...

Most "kids" recruited come from middle to upper middle class families. 75% of the military falls into this demograph. Are you saying these people are so stupid they don't understand what they are signing up for?
 
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2575017
Most "kids" recruited come from middle to upper middle class families. 75% of the military falls into this demograph. Are you saying these people are so stupid they don't understand what they are signing up for?
Ditto, rudedog apparently you never have served. Coming from somebody who was actually apart of a major operation, Desert Storm, you need to put your money where your mouth is.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Rudedog stated in the past he served in Vietnam.
Rudedog went off the deep end last night to another Mod and has been temporarily banned. Admin will make the decision as to whether he is allowed back or not.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2575591
Rudedog stated in the past he served in Vietnam.
Rudedog went off the deep end last night to another Mod and has been temporarily banned. Admin will make the decision as to whether he is allowed back or not.
Now that I have had a chance to ponder it in light of a couple other threads I think I better understand the reason for some of his out of left field posts.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2574031
Come on. I've already posted too many threads on the subject of alternatives. If all you're over there for is the hope that we will completely erradicate terrorism, you're gonna be there for a LOOONG time. You're not going to be able to 'convert' everyone. There will always be terrorists in some form or fashion. Like I said, we have to worry more about American fanatics that are killing people here in the US, instead of Islamic terrorists. Quit living in fear of terrorists. If you live that way, they've already suceeded in their mission.
How long?
60+ years like in Europe?
50+ years like in Korea?
I agree we should not live in fear of the terrorists, rather they should live in fear of us. McVey did not kill near as many as 9/11/01. To use your words, McVey's attack was "minor".
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2575017
Most "kids" recruited come from middle to upper middle class families. 75% of the military falls into this demograph. Are you saying these people are so stupid they don't understand what they are signing up for?
I'd love to see where you got your info on this? From everything I have read the majority of those who enlist come from towns are areas whose per capita income is below the national average. The military targets those whose career options are limited because they are easier to recruit, which makes sense.
Where is a recruiter more likely to spend most of his/her time, in an upper middle class area or a working class area?
 

ameno

Active Member
When my son first joined the navy, he said a lot of the people were people that were from very low income areas and some that had a choice of jail time or militiary.
Maybe the amount of people joining is up like they claim, but if thats true why are they pulling navy people into Iraq to be foot soldiers? Several have been pulled from his group already and he was told his only option at reinlistment is a year in Iraq.
I've also had family members and coworkers that were weekend guard that are in Iraq now. Looks to me they are short handed.
 

crashbandicoot

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2575591
Rudedog stated in the past he served in Vietnam.
Rudedog went off the deep end last night to another Mod and has been temporarily banned. Admin will make the decision as to whether he is allowed back or not.
Can't say we didn't see it coming from miles away
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2575859
I'd love to see where you got your info on this? From everything I have read the majority of those who enlist come from towns are areas whose per capita income is below the national average. The military targets those whose career options are limited because they are easier to recruit, which makes sense.
Where is a recruiter more likely to spend most of his/her time, in an upper middle class area or a working class area?

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Nat...y/cda05-08.cfm
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2577153
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Nat...y/cda05-08.cfm
I'm confused, I thought you said the majority of our recruits are from middle to upper middle class households? This graph, which is from the info you provided shows something very different. It shows the majority are from lower middle to middle class. I am not sure what your definition of upper middle class is but IMO, it's 60-90k and lower middle class is 20 to 35k.
 
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