Need help quick!!
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jeffr259
Member
QT's aren't that expensive. I've always put them off...but I just got my first QT for my new 120g FOWLR. No big fishies planned for in the DT, all small "friendlies" evenetually.
Anyways, got a 10g QT for about $60 with everything. I plan to use this for one by one QT'ing of new fish. Now, if I have to pull everyone out to treat, I'll get a bigger QT...even then, it isn't that expensive.
More or less, if you loose two fish to ich, you've probably lost more in fish money than what a 10g QT would cost to setup (again, for me, $60).
My QT equipment:
10g tank
Small Aquaclear HOB filter
submersible heater,
glass top
cheap-o light
PVC piping for them to hide in
=$60
Fish lives saved b/c of a QT=priceless
Anyways, with regards to your particular scenario. I'd go get a QT tank to handle all your fish, pull water out of your QT to fill and start treating. You risk loosing all you LR if you need to treat aggressively with medication in you DT.
Good Luck!
Anyways, got a 10g QT for about $60 with everything. I plan to use this for one by one QT'ing of new fish. Now, if I have to pull everyone out to treat, I'll get a bigger QT...even then, it isn't that expensive.
More or less, if you loose two fish to ich, you've probably lost more in fish money than what a 10g QT would cost to setup (again, for me, $60).
My QT equipment:
10g tank
Small Aquaclear HOB filter
submersible heater,
glass top
cheap-o light
PVC piping for them to hide in
=$60
Fish lives saved b/c of a QT=priceless
Anyways, with regards to your particular scenario. I'd go get a QT tank to handle all your fish, pull water out of your QT to fill and start treating. You risk loosing all you LR if you need to treat aggressively with medication in you DT.
Good Luck!
shrimpi
Active Member
Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2624763
You can't put meds in a tank with Live Rock. Ich also can be a sign of stress. What are your water parameters at?
you CAN treat with LR. Its just that it will cause die off and considering he doesnt have a QT and wanted "help quick" as his title states.. that is the fastest way for his scenario.
Jessica.
http:///forum/post/2624763
You can't put meds in a tank with Live Rock. Ich also can be a sign of stress. What are your water parameters at?
you CAN treat with LR. Its just that it will cause die off and considering he doesnt have a QT and wanted "help quick" as his title states.. that is the fastest way for his scenario.
Jessica.
morval
Member
there are some "reef safe" ich treatments.i used kick ich on my tank and it worked al right takes while and i killed my ricordia mush, did not affect my live rock like copper would. ive also heard of people who use this and get no help from it so its hit or miss. but i also dont have a QT and it was my onry option.
renogaw
Active Member
Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2624763
You can't put meds in a tank with Live Rock. Ich also can be a sign of stress. What are your water parameters at?
gah, ich is NOT. repeat NOT a sign of stress...
ich is an invert, a parasite, using "invert safe" medications to kill an invert is an oxymoron...
http:///forum/post/2624763
You can't put meds in a tank with Live Rock. Ich also can be a sign of stress. What are your water parameters at?
gah, ich is NOT. repeat NOT a sign of stress...
ich is an invert, a parasite, using "invert safe" medications to kill an invert is an oxymoron...
namas05
Member
Well, actual stress can bring out the ich in fish. Most fish unless previously treated do carry ich, but only when stress does it become a problem.
There are reef safe ich treatments, Kordon makes a 100% organic treatment that works well, also Stop parasite is reef safe and works in a reef tank.
Yes ich is a parasite, but can be treated safely in a FOWLR tank without hurting the LR.
There are reef safe ich treatments, Kordon makes a 100% organic treatment that works well, also Stop parasite is reef safe and works in a reef tank.
Yes ich is a parasite, but can be treated safely in a FOWLR tank without hurting the LR.
renogaw
Active Member
Originally Posted by namas05
http:///forum/post/2625637
Well, actual stress can bring out the ich in fish. Most fish unless previously treated do carry ich, but only when stress does it become a problem.
where is this information? why do none of my fish have ich? i've never hypoed any of my fish or done any other treatment. i've stressed my fish by putting them all in a 20 gallon tank for a few days while changing out my leaking tank. how come none of them got ich then? i have a damsel that chases (and gets chased) the other fish. that causes stress.
http:///forum/post/2625637
Well, actual stress can bring out the ich in fish. Most fish unless previously treated do carry ich, but only when stress does it become a problem.
where is this information? why do none of my fish have ich? i've never hypoed any of my fish or done any other treatment. i've stressed my fish by putting them all in a 20 gallon tank for a few days while changing out my leaking tank. how come none of them got ich then? i have a damsel that chases (and gets chased) the other fish. that causes stress.
prime311
Active Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2625647
where is this information? why do none of my fish have ich? i've never hypoed any of my fish or done any other treatment. i've stressed my fish by putting them all in a 20 gallon tank for a few days while changing out my leaking tank. how come none of them got ich then? i have a damsel that chases (and gets chased) the other fish. that causes stress.
If Ich doesn't come out during stress then why do people report Ich outbreaks even when they haven't introduced anything new to their tank? Not that I don't believe you, I just don't really knowhow else to explain it. You can't prove something by disproving something else so just cause you stressed your fish and didn't get ich doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Thats like me saying that I never married before 30 so no one under 30 gets married. So I dunno, but if anyone has some scientific reasoning I'd be interested in hearing it.
http:///forum/post/2625647
where is this information? why do none of my fish have ich? i've never hypoed any of my fish or done any other treatment. i've stressed my fish by putting them all in a 20 gallon tank for a few days while changing out my leaking tank. how come none of them got ich then? i have a damsel that chases (and gets chased) the other fish. that causes stress.
If Ich doesn't come out during stress then why do people report Ich outbreaks even when they haven't introduced anything new to their tank? Not that I don't believe you, I just don't really knowhow else to explain it. You can't prove something by disproving something else so just cause you stressed your fish and didn't get ich doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Thats like me saying that I never married before 30 so no one under 30 gets married. So I dunno, but if anyone has some scientific reasoning I'd be interested in hearing it.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by MichaelTX
http:///forum/post/2625692
what he is saying that ich is not caused by stress but it leaves the fish vulnerable to it. stress itself does not cause ich though it has to be introduced to the tank by the addition of infected water or fish to the system.
Mike
Right, ich is a parasite with a known life cycle. It does not spontaneously appear when a fish is stressed. It has to already be present in the system. Stress lowers the fish's immune system, which thins the slime coat, and allows the parasites to attach to the body. Also, the current stock that I have has never been treated. I too have had them in stressful situations (not on purpose) and they have never gotten ich. They were all properly quarantined and had a clean bill of health before entering my display. I also quarantine all purchases, not just fish.
http:///forum/post/2625692
what he is saying that ich is not caused by stress but it leaves the fish vulnerable to it. stress itself does not cause ich though it has to be introduced to the tank by the addition of infected water or fish to the system.
Mike
Right, ich is a parasite with a known life cycle. It does not spontaneously appear when a fish is stressed. It has to already be present in the system. Stress lowers the fish's immune system, which thins the slime coat, and allows the parasites to attach to the body. Also, the current stock that I have has never been treated. I too have had them in stressful situations (not on purpose) and they have never gotten ich. They were all properly quarantined and had a clean bill of health before entering my display. I also quarantine all purchases, not just fish.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by canman
http:///forum/post/2624617
Never had an ich outbreak in my tank and now my puffer is covered and my humahuma. What do i need to do?? I do not have a qt tank. My tank is a 125 fowlr w/live rock.
Can you set up a rubber maid tub with a heater and a power head for your rocks and inverts? You can then hypo the display.
http:///forum/post/2624617
Never had an ich outbreak in my tank and now my puffer is covered and my humahuma. What do i need to do?? I do not have a qt tank. My tank is a 125 fowlr w/live rock.
Can you set up a rubber maid tub with a heater and a power head for your rocks and inverts? You can then hypo the display.
canman
Member
Thanks for the advice. I have put all the live rock in my buddies tank while i do hypo on the dt. I have it down to about 1.016 right now gonna take some more water out in the morning. My water par. are perfect before and I believe my puffer is what brought it into the tank because he is the only fish with it and he is covered.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by canman
http:///forum/post/2626144
Thanks for the advice. I have put all the live rock in my buddies tank while i do hypo on the dt. I have it down to about 1.016 right now gonna take some more water out in the morning. My water par. are perfect before and I believe my puffer is what brought it into the tank because he is the only fish with it and he is covered.
I hope that you didn't put the rock into his display. If you did then you just introduced ich in to his tank. Ich attaches to a calcareous material while the reproduction process is going on. The ich will be free swimming in whatever tank the rock is in now. That is why I said to put it into a rubber maid bin with only the inverts. Inverts cannot host ich.
http:///forum/post/2626144
Thanks for the advice. I have put all the live rock in my buddies tank while i do hypo on the dt. I have it down to about 1.016 right now gonna take some more water out in the morning. My water par. are perfect before and I believe my puffer is what brought it into the tank because he is the only fish with it and he is covered.
I hope that you didn't put the rock into his display. If you did then you just introduced ich in to his tank. Ich attaches to a calcareous material while the reproduction process is going on. The ich will be free swimming in whatever tank the rock is in now. That is why I said to put it into a rubber maid bin with only the inverts. Inverts cannot host ich.
sepulatian
Moderator
Originally Posted by canman
http:///forum/post/2626307
no he had a qt. I have a rubbermaid bin but I have been using it to cycle f/w to put into my dt. I havn't been adding just straight tap into the dt without putting the prime in and it cycling with a powerhead and heater for a while.
Sounds good! You had me worried
http:///forum/post/2626307
no he had a qt. I have a rubbermaid bin but I have been using it to cycle f/w to put into my dt. I havn't been adding just straight tap into the dt without putting the prime in and it cycling with a powerhead and heater for a while.
Sounds good! You had me worried
renogaw
Active Member
Originally Posted by MichaelTX
http:///forum/post/2625692
what he is saying that ich is not caused by stress but it leaves the fish vulnerable to it. stress itself does not cause ich though it has to be introduced to the tank by the addition of infected water or fish to the system.
Mike
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2625961
Right, ich is a parasite with a known life cycle. It does not spontaneously appear when a fish is stressed. It has to already be present in the system. Stress lowers the fish's immune system, which thins the slime coat, and allows the parasites to attach to the body. Also, the current stock that I have has never been treated. I too have had them in stressful situations (not on purpose) and they have never gotten ich. They were all properly quarantined and had a clean bill of health before entering my display. I also quarantine all purchases, not just fish.
sry, was dealing with the dog when the question came up. thanks for answering
http:///forum/post/2625692
what he is saying that ich is not caused by stress but it leaves the fish vulnerable to it. stress itself does not cause ich though it has to be introduced to the tank by the addition of infected water or fish to the system.
Mike
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2625961
Right, ich is a parasite with a known life cycle. It does not spontaneously appear when a fish is stressed. It has to already be present in the system. Stress lowers the fish's immune system, which thins the slime coat, and allows the parasites to attach to the body. Also, the current stock that I have has never been treated. I too have had them in stressful situations (not on purpose) and they have never gotten ich. They were all properly quarantined and had a clean bill of health before entering my display. I also quarantine all purchases, not just fish.
sry, was dealing with the dog when the question came up. thanks for answering