Help!? Added two clownfish with existing one

carbonfever

New Member
Ok, I am new here so hello and any advice or tips are welcome. I have a 30 gallon FOWLR tank. Anyways, the tank has been running strong for a year now (April 2014) and when I started the tank I have had my clownfish for 6 months prior to the 30 gallon (I got rid of my 10 gallon it was in and upgraded to a 30 gallon). So a little over a year and a half. I have a yellow tang also in my tank (yes I know they need at least 60g of room but he seems comfortable).
*sorry for all the descriptions, just trying to give you guys the history.

So last Sunday I added a black snowflake Ocellaris and a regular orange and white snowflake Ocellaris. So I now have my yellow tang, and the 3 clownfish. One being the one I've had almost 2 years. After I acclimated the two snowflake clowns and added them all three clowns were happily swimming together. Well after 2hrs or so my original clown and black snowflake were twitching or shimmering at one another. Then they started to get physical and at two instances the locked jaws. The black snowflake even held on to my original clowns side fin for 5 secs or so. Anyways, this went on for 5 min maybe. After that they all three were swimming together and at times all three were separated. Also at times my original clown and black snowflake swam together. I might add that the black snowflake and my original clown are fairly close to the same size. The other clown snowflake is a baby. He is the third wheel. He sometimes swims with the black one and sometimes my original clown. I have been watching them closely for the last few days since I've added them. Monday and Tuesday seemed well. No fin nipping or such going on. Now today I noticed my original clown swimming up to the black snowflake and doing the shimmering off and on constantly for 5-10 minutes. Maybe twice my black snowflake turned on its side and did a couple of fast twitch shimmers but nothing like my original clown was doing. The behavior and character of my black snowflake seems aggressive. Meaning at times when he is swimming he jerks and swims exaggerated. I also notice today that the little snowflake clown was next to the black snowflake and did the shimmer thing.

Soooo...with all my rambling and long description I need to know what's going on? I know that all clowns are born gender neutral and once a clown is female she can't become male. I'm hoping it isn't worst case scenario and I have two females in the tank? Is my original clown still gender neutral even though it has been solo for a year or so? Is it a dominance behavior going on here? I'd like to know because the store I bought them from says I can bring back the fish for a refund but I really really like the two fish I chose.

Respectfully,
Jeff
 

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jay0705

Well-Known Member
You have 2 females and a smaller male. In a large tank, 125+ this could wrk and thats only a maybe. Most likely one will kill the other or both will die from the stress of fighting. Now to your tang, all your clowns could be whacked over time from it. They not only need more swim room, the larger tanks help w aggression. Tangs, yellows especially can have serious attitude. So welcome to the site. But I'am sure this is not what you wanted to hear
 

carbonfever

New Member
could my original clownfish be a male? The fish I added which is the black snowflake was said to be a juvenile still.
 

bang guy

Moderator
No, your original Clown is a female as is the Black Snowflake. Two female Clownfish will not co-exist in a 30 gallon tank. They will fight until one leaves or dies.
 

Kristin1234

Active Member
Dang. Snowflakes are usually pretty docile. Mine are besties. Or lovers. Or both.

I saw a tank with about 15 good size snowflakes.
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
From the same batch you can get away w it for a bit. But he already had a resident female, she could kill the male too, its just the other female is the primary now
 

carbonfever

New Member
Well I think I'm going to take back the Black snowflake and get my $100 back. So I'll have the original clown with the young snowflake together. Will that work? Can I get some good news? Lol :)
 

carbonfever

New Member
I'll feel better about it and i believe it will be less of a stressful and crowded environment. I hate to take it back cause it's a really cool fish but I don't want future problems to arise if I don't take action.
 

carbonfever

New Member
If I had my way I'd find a home for my original clown and keep the two snowflakes together but my wife said it ain't happening. Lol
 

jay0705

Well-Known Member
Lol varies clowns can be a pain. I have a maroon, black occ, and pair of occ in 3 diff tanks
 

carbonfever

New Member
You can always get a 2ndtank
I would but I am going to wait cause when I build a new house I'm going to put a huge tank in with coral and whatnot. Plus the startup of a nano tank or a similar sized tank would be another big expense and I'd have to wait for the tank to cycle.
 

carbonfever

New Member
The whole situation sucks and I should've done my homework before adding this guy. The place is an 1.5hrs away. It's been more frustrating than a joy at this point. But I think once I get the black snowflake out I think things will settle down.
 
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