125 Gallon Aquarium My List of Wants

stanlalee

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Originally Posted by mandarin w
I would stay away from powders (powder blues, powder Browns), Hippos. These are ick magnets. They are very delicate and stress easily. Thus the ick.
I think kole tangs might be pretty good also.
Powder Browns are alot easier and hardier than Powder Blues. Hippo tangs arent too bad once they get over the stress and bashfullness of moving to a different tank/envirnment provided they are fed appropriately (at least twice a day plus a strip of dried algae clipped per tang per day), have appropriate tank turnover (poor turnover/low oxygen=disease prone) and room and hiding doesn't hurt (although mine is going on three month in a small tank and has at least two more weeks to go). Powder Blues and Sohal are just @$$holes towards other tangs in general. needs lots of room to be housed with other tangs.
But really scopas and yellows are the only two tangs that can withstand any kind of abuse or sub standard conditions for any length of time (probably phrases wrong. more like do better without the specialized care most tangs recieve).
Here's my stocking list for a 100g (6ft long though. same as 125 but not as tall):Hippo tang, foxface/rabbitfish of some sort, some sort of toby puffer,majestic angel and powder brown tang. They will be in a reef minus shrimp. If they (angel and toby) decide to nip/eat/bite corals, hermits or snails so be it. I'll just stop adding the ones they take a liking too and more of what they leave alone.
 

blizz75

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Emperor angels get REALLY big. I dont know if its already been said but i wouldnt put one in a 125g. Juvi or not
 

stanlalee

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Originally Posted by acrylic51
Powder Browns are just as delicate as the Blues.....The White Cheek is similar but easier....
well there is some cause for confusion here. According to wetweb the ones sold as gold rim here and white cheek at the doctors ( A. nigricans) have a poor captivity record but the one sold as powder brown (A. japonicus) on this site are relatively hardy. as does marine depot say the same thing.
Acanthurus (glaucopareius) nigricans (Linnaeus 1958), the Powder Brown or Gold-Rimmed Surgeon (and Whitecheek Surgeon to science). The corrected scientific name of this species is A. nigricans (per Randall, 1988); a revision no doubt as unpopular to some as my labeling the species as "bad". The very similar A. japonicus is a far better aquarium fish; A. nigricans rarely lives for more than a few months in captivity.

Acanthurus japonicus (Fowler 1946), the Japanese or White-Faced Surgeonfish; is also sold as a/the Gold-Rimmed or Powder-Brown Surgeon, confusing it with A. glaucopareius (nigricans) (see below). To further confuse matters, this fish is also sold as the Whitecheek Surgeon/Tang in the aquarium trade...A. japonicus has a much larger white eye patch. Ranges from the Philippines to Japan and is relatively hardy.
White Cheek Tang - Acanthurus nigricans

Also known as: Whitecheek, Powder Brown, Gold-Rimmed Surgeon
Maximum Size: the Acanthurus nigricans grows up to 10 inches.
General Size Specifications: The small size will come to you generally 1 to 2 inches; the medium generally 3 to 4 inches; the large generally 5 to 6 inches.
Minimum Tank Size: The White Cheek Tang prefers a tank of at least 100 gallons with plenty of places to hide & swim.
Diet: The Acanthurus nigricans is a herbivore and likes to eat Dried Seaweed (best), marine algae, mysid shrimp, Spirulina, Romaine Lettuce (blanched) , fresh seaweed, and other meaty treats.
Level of Care: The White Cheek Tang is a high maintenance fish.
Behavior: The White Cheek Tang may act peacefully toward other fish.
Hardiness: this is not a hardy fish

Powder Brown Tang - Acanthurus japonicus

Also known as: Powder Brown Surgeon
Maximum Size: the Acanthurus japonicus grows up to 10 inches.
General Size Specifications: The small size will come to you generally 1 to 2 inches; the medium generally 3 to 4 inches; the large generally 5 to 6 inches.
Minimum Tank Size: The Powder Brown Tang prefers a tank of at least 100 gallons with plenty of places to hide & swim.
Diet: The Acanthurus japonicus is a herbivore and likes to eat Dried Seaweed (best), marine algae, mysid shrimp, Spirulina, Romaine Lettuce (blanched) , fresh seaweed, and other meaty treats.
Level of Care: The Powder Brown Tang is a medium maintenance fish.
Behavior: The Powder Brown Tang may act peacefully toward other fish.
Hardiness: This is a hardy fish

this site is mistaken listing white cheeks as "easy"
 

mike22cha

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Is it not possible to order a small sized Emporer Angel? Of course I wont buy a full sized one and may get a juvinille. I want a large (well larger than the tangs, wrasse, gobies, and clownfish that i get) fish to sort of be the main center piece. The juvinille would be small but it would stick out. Still any ideas of corals or inverts yet. Also Im not getting two species of clownfish. These are fish that are final and no one has fought to keep out of my tank yet: Black and White Percula Clownfish, Yellow Tang,and Neon Gobies.
 

stanlalee

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How about the Majestic angel. It will do fine forever in a 125g. Doesn't get as big as the Emperor angel (grows to a max of 10"), less aggressive, changes over from juvi to adult at a much smaller size and personally I think a healthy specimen looks better than an adult emperor in person. Adults more common too (might not be true but I see Adult Majestic Angels at LFS regularly. suppose to be one of the easier angels to keep. Hardly ever see a adult emperor angel for sale locally.
 

mike22cha

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That is a nice looking fish. Is it yours? Anyway well looked that angel up and it eats alot of corals that I may get and isn't a very hardy fish.(According to saltwaterfish.com and marinedepotlive.com)
Also some of the other people who responded only had a problem with the Emporer being with coral. Never said not to get the emporer at all.
 

stanlalee

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I think you should read this article (grab the link before they take it down). No I wish it were mine.
link about majestics in reefs
thats simply nonsense. Majestics are in the same class of angel as the emperor, are more hardy as adults (purchasing an adult majestic vs an adult emperor. emporers do better if you get them as juvi's) and there is a chance it will nip/eat corals like all angels but you can see from the link its been done over and over just like emperors in reefs. you can get an emperor who eats up your corals too (although I'll admitt it is much more common to put emperors in reefs and probably less risky)
 

mike22cha

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Here's some pics of my tank. Added the rest of the pumps and Im going to get everything running monday.




 

mike22cha

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I bought the book marine fishes and its helpful and also a waste of money.
I guess alot of the fish Im looking at aren't in there but there are still alot of possibilities and some that Im looking at in there. I figured since the emporer will out grow the tank Ill buy a juvinille and sell it as it becomes an adult. I know alot of people against the idea of buying a fish that will outgrow the tank but Im going for it as soon as everything gets up and running and settled.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
I know alot of people against the idea of buying a fish that will outgrow the tank but Im going for it as soon as everything gets up and running and settled.

Mike, you'll find the people on this forum really do know what they are talking about and they really do want to help you.
It's your aquarium, but you'd be well advised to listen to them.
 

cards98765

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Just to give you a heads up. I just got the negative juv emperor angel. Took out about $350 of my corals (Thankfully had most of them fragged and backed up with friends) however I no longer trust ANY angel adult or juvenile in my coral tanks. I've had trouble with both Flame and Emeperor's now. If you want to risk it do constant watching on your tanks to make sure they are not nipping at them. Also be prepared to lose all corals if you don't get them out in time. Michael
 

mike22cha

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Ok angels are out if I get a reef tank and no emporer for me then. Today I got electricuted by power strip after valve of tank came of and water shot out everywhere. Anyways I look around for more fish possibilities. Thanks for the warning before I wasted any money.
 

mike22cha

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My tank stand holds a canister thing, which has an intake and out take. Well Saturday we were moving the tank to install a pump the seller of the tank was washing or something and it was bigger than the other so we moved and messed around with it. A valve came off and we got that cleaned up and it was late so we didn't hook up anything. Monday I got all excited and thought I could do it myself and started getting all the pumps hooked up and all the food, medicine, test kits, etc. back under there. Well the new pump, which didn't use the canister, wasn't working so I unplugged it. Then the intake valve came loose and water was everywhere. I unplugged the power strip and put a finger to stop the flow. I didn't know how to get it off so I let it run into my quarintine tank at the bottom and then turned the valves off. Then I had to get everything out of there and soak it up with towels and leave the fan on high. Well then I started estamating damage so I plugged in the power strip, then the light on it to tell if its on or off started blinking and making strange sounds so i turned the power strip off and got an intresting experience. It wasn't bad. My hand went numb so I felt weird but didn't hurt. Wensday we had a friend come over who had some fish and we got all the pumps working. Luckly nothing was broken besides the power strip. So now I learned my lesson.
Another question, My tank is running good and the saltanity and specific gravity are almost perfect and ph is good and temp is where its supposed to be. Can I get a yellow tang yet or is it to early with the pumps just rehooked up?
 

clekchau

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Originally Posted by Stanlalee
How about the Majestic angel. It will do fine forever in a 125g. Doesn't get as big as the Emperor angel (grows to a max of 10"), less aggressive, changes over from juvi to adult at a much smaller size and personally I think a healthy specimen looks better than an adult emperor in person. Adults more common too (might not be true but I see Adult Majestic Angels at LFS regularly. suppose to be one of the easier angels to keep. Hardly ever see a adult emperor angel for sale locally.

from my experience this is not one of the easier angels to keep.
french, queen, passer, asfur, annularis, now those are easy to keep when considering full sized angels imho
 

acrylic51

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I'd hold out a bit and put something alittle hardier in there first to get alittle salt under the nails.....tank is still young.
 

mike22cha

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Okay. I hold off on getting a fish for a little while. Different sites say that yellow tangs are pretty hardy though. Not that I get one now but can't that be one of the first fishes I get? I really don't want an aggressive damsel and ***** had seven or so and alot of other fish so they just got stocked. Ill wait a while though and thats okay because I wanted some more live rock in there. Now I dont have to cure it or anything and wait to make sure everything is running smoothly. I want to build a large sorta stack of live rock (like the reef tanks that got a wall of rocks full of coral) so what would be better a fiji live foundation rock (to support the wall) which is 35lbs. or caribbean live rock 40lbs. I like the caribbean but i think ill need the foundation rock to build the wall sorta thing. Or would it be too much to get both with the rocks I got?
 
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