155G w/ two Dwarf Angels Fighting

btldreef

btldreef

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So yes, we tried to add another dwarf angel to our 155G. We took the risk and are truly paying the price at the moment. We have a Coral Beauty and just added a Flame to be our final fish.
So my question for you guys is, has anyone experienced aggression with two dwarfs that eventually dies down?
If the aggression doesn't stop, do any of you have any suggestions for how to entice one to come out so we can net them without tearing our reef apart (which we don't want to do, but will for the safety of the fish if we have to)?
 
sean48183

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Is your tank a 4, 5, or 6 ft tank. I have a rusty and heraldi in my 150g that have been together for 2 years and have had no problems other than the occasional tail slap. I did get a little lucky in that when I added the yellow he went to the opposite side of the tank of the rusty and made that his spot. But I would say that if your tank is 6ft long the flame has plenty enough space to get out of dodge when the coral beauty gets nasty. Give it time should be fine.
 
crypt keeper

crypt keeper

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Who is being the butt head? Im going to guess your Coral. Are they xchasing and nipping or ull blown going at it? I would keep the lights off longer than normal if possible. Try and put a picture up on the tank of a Bigger angel or another dwarf like a bi color. This may work.
If they battle you may have to tear the tank down.
 
btldreef

btldreef

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Originally Posted by sean48183
http:///forum/post/3179720
Is your tank a 4, 5, or 6 ft tank. I have a rusty and heraldi in my 150g that have been together for 2 years and have had no problems other than the occasional tail slap. I did get a little lucky in that when I added the yellow he went to the opposite side of the tank of the rusty and made that his spot. But I would say that if your tank is 6ft long the flame has plenty enough space to get out of dodge when the coral beauty gets nasty. Give it time should be fine.
Tank is a 6 ft ... every time the flame angel comes out, the coral beauty attacks her.
 
btldreef

btldreef

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3179731
Who is being the butt head? Im going to guess your Coral. Are they xchasing and nipping or ull blown going at it? I would keep the lights off longer than normal if possible. Try and put a picture up on the tank of a Bigger angel or another dwarf like a bi color. This may work.
If they battle you may have to tear the tank down.

Of course it's my evil Coral Beauty from hell. I hate that fish, so pretty, but so mean! They're nipping. The Coral Beauty initiates the fight, but the Flame Angel defends herself. She's been hiding in the rocks a lot, but still comes out and eats and looks okay. They both have nips and nothing horrendous, BUT, I'd rather they didn't fight at all. I haven't been around too much to see it this weekend unfortunately since my grandfather is in the hospital, but my husband said it's on and off, not constant attacks.
I'm going to try the picture method and see how that works as well as leaving the lights off for longer than usual. I really don't want to have to tear down my tank if I don't have to. Luckily we just got MH's so we're acclimating corals to the new lights so they haven't been on as much. I will tear it down if nothing else works or they start full blown fighting.
Thanks for the help
 
btldreef

btldreef

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Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3180279
worse case scenario add another fish. Goldflakes are a more reef safe angel. That will sort out issues
I want to try to avoid another fish. I have a huge stock list in this tank and the flame was to be the last fish added. I'll probably tear down before I add another fish. This isn't the first fish that the CB has attacked, she bosses around everyone we add to the tank. She was one of the first fishies we added to the tank when we didn't know any better and now we're screwed, LOL. We have pics on the tank now, and lights lowered, we'll see how it goes
 
meowzer

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Why not take the coral beauty out...move a couple of rocks (not tear down) and put it back in a week
Could that work????
 
aquaknight

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If it's still only been a day or two, and it's just squabbles, not to the point they're killing each other, I would let it go for now. It might take a bit, but they should get along.... If it doesn't stop tomorrow (later today
), divide the tank will eggcrate with either angel per side, for a few days.
 
btldreef

btldreef

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3180375
If it's still only been a day or two, and it's just squabbles, not to the point they're killing each other, I would let it go for now. It might take a bit, but they should get along.... If it doesn't stop tomorrow (later today
), divide the tank will eggcrate with either angel per side, for a few days.
Yeah, I'm just worried because this Coral Beauty has killed numerous fish on me in the past. She will not let the Flame out of one spot at all this morning. The Flame is bigger than her, I wish she'd just kick the you know what out of the CB and end it.
I have a lot of other fish in the tank, I thought about dividing, do you think the other fish would be okay?
 
btldreef

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So it seems to have worked out. The flame took a lot of abuse, but held her own. The Coral Beauty will chase her, but the nipping seems to have stopped and the chasing isn't consistent. They stay on opposite sides of the tank (which I was really hoping for) for the most part, but will share the same seaweed clip when they're hungry. I did lose my wrasse in the process. They were really going at it on Monday and the wrasse jumped, fell through the Xmas tree and landed on the ballasts for the MH's and cooked himself almost immediately while we were making dinner.
So now I have more questions:
In one of the spots where the Flame was bit by my evil CB, it's a little white, almost like ich. She was QT'd and my tank definitely doesn't have ich, thoughts?
I noticed something odd today though, when they fight, my Black Combtooth Blenny gets involved. He now chases either one when he's had enough, it's like he's playing mother, LOL. He doesn't do it all the time, I mean the three can be eating off the same seaweed clip and be fine and 5 minutes later he's chasing one of them (usually the Flame). Any thoughts?
 
sean48183

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I told you it would work out. Your flame will heal up and be fine in a couple weeks. The blenny is just chasing something to chase something. Good exercise IMO. In time all we'll be great. Enjoy the new addition and happy reefing!
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3183017
In one of the spots where the Flame was bit by my evil CB, it's a little white, almost like ich. She was QT'd and my tank definitely doesn't have ich, thoughts?
I noticed something odd today though, when they fight, my Black Combtooth Blenny gets involved. He now chases either one when he's had enough, it's like he's playing mother, LOL. He doesn't do it all the time, I mean the three can be eating off the same seaweed clip and be fine and 5 minutes later he's chasing one of them (usually the Flame). Any thoughts?
The white sounds like a bit of lympho forming at the wound. Just continue to fed well.
It's hard to say exactly why the Blenny is joining in, but most likely wanting to display dominance. Perhaps he sees the CB's attempt, and wants to thwart it, to gain 'boss' status....
 
btldreef

btldreef

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Originally Posted by sean48183
http:///forum/post/3183179
I told you it would work out. Your flame will heal up and be fine in a couple weeks. The blenny is just chasing something to chase something. Good exercise IMO. In time all we'll be great. Enjoy the new addition and happy reefing!
I know, I know. It's just that this Coral Beauty has killed so many fish on me that the minute she started beating on the Flame, I panicked! All is well. Thanks
 
btldreef

btldreef

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3183210
The white sounds like a bit of lympho forming at the wound. Just continue to fed well.
It's hard to say exactly why the Blenny is joining in, but most likely wanting to display dominance. Perhaps he sees the CB's attempt, and wants to thwart it, to gain 'boss' status....
I dose the food and tank with vitamins and feed 1 cube of Emerald Entree twice a day. I also always have Red and Brown Algae strips with garlic in the tank. Think this is enough? (I have a ton of other fish) My husband things it's too much, I think it's just right.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3183337
I dose the food and tank with vitamins and feed 1 cube of Emerald Entree twice a day. I also always have Red and Brown Algae strips with garlic in the tank. Think this is enough? (I have a ton of other fish) My husband things it's too much, I think it's just right.
It's enough quantity-wise, but for variety, they could use something meaty in their diet as well, preferrably P.E. Mysis or Arcti-Pods™. And if you wanted to completely round off the diet, nothing beats a 1mm NLS pellet for dwarf angels
 
btldreef

btldreef

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3183390
It's enough quantity-wise, but for variety, they could use something meaty in their diet as well, preferrably P.E. Mysis or Arcti-Pods™. And if you wanted to completely round off the diet, nothing beats a 1mm NLS pellet for dwarf angels

I forgot to mention, they get PE mysis 2x a week (the mandarin loves them) and live brine shrimp every other week when the LFS has them in stock and Acrti-Pods 1x a week. Occasionally they get Cyclopeez, but the tangs don't really care for it so I stopped putting it in my tank. None of my fish will eat pellets or flakes so I just gave up on them.
Thanks for all your help.
 
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