911 Mosque Imam now a State Dept employee

slice

Active Member
If someone has already posted about this, my apologies.
The Imam who is pushing for the Mosque to be built near the Twin Towers site, the one who has publicly said the attack was our fault, has been hired by our State Dept to tour the Mid East and promote "greater understanding". Funded by tax payer money, no less...
He will, no doubt, also solicit more contributions to his cause.
We now know what The Anointed One thinks of having the Mosque built.
Please name one thing this one has done that is not upside down and backwards.
http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/0...on-state-dime/
 

btldreef

Moderator
This seriously makes me want to vomit. And the fact that I'm a New Yorker and knew people that lost their lives that day, just makes it even more horrendous.
I'm all for religious freedom and all that BS (yes, unfortunately I'm a democrat, let the beatings begin), but what happened to common sense and the general ideas of decency and respect? On the same note, I don't think we should be building a church of any sort near this site, but the fact that it's a mosque and everything that surrounds 9/11 for so many of us, this is just wrong.
 

fishtaco

Active Member
Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3298100
This seriously makes me want to vomit. And the fact that I'm a New Yorker and knew people that lost their lives that day, just makes it even more horrendous.
I'm all for religious freedom and all that BS (yes, unfortunately I'm a democrat, let the beatings begin), but what happened to common sense and the general ideas of decency and respect? On the same note, I don't think we should be building a church of any sort near this site, but the fact that it's a mosque and everything that surrounds 9/11 for so many of us, this is just wrong.
The only way that mosque is going to get built in NYC is if greedy people put money ahead of their country. On a side note, Fox News also reported that the Taliban is training monkeys to attack U.S. Service members in Afghanstan, that is pretty scary.
Fishtaco
 

geridoc

Well-Known Member
Where does a Muslim (as a constitutionally protected religious group) build a mosque? Must it be 100 miles away from Ground Zero? 50 miles? 5? Can it be on Manhattan Island at all? It is proposed to be 2 blocks away from the sacred site (no irony intended), and not attached to it in any way at all. So...where does a Muslim build a mosque?
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3298141
Where does a Muslim (as a constitutionally protected religious group) build a mosque? Must it be 100 miles away from Ground Zero? 50 miles? 5? Can it be on Manhattan Island at all? It is proposed to be 2 blocks away from the sacred site (no irony intended), and not attached to it in any way at all. So...where does a Muslim build a mosque?
The government decides where to build religious institution all the time... IT is called zoning...
 
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vinnyraptor

Guest
if you were a "New Yorker" you would know that the mosque is being built 2 blocks from the site and that another mosque is 4 blocks away and has been there for 50 years.... it's not a BIG DEAL in New York.
 
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vinnyraptor

Guest
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3298155
The government decides where to build religious institution all the time... IT is called zoning...
B.S. ! this is commercial property in New York City! worth millions of dollars and 2 blocks away from the towers. it's a non-story except for Beck followers.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3298165
B.S. ! this is commercial property in New York City! worth millions of dollars and 2 blocks away from the towers. it's a non-story except for Beck followers.
I guess 51% of New Yorkers are beck followers. This is a good thing...
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...-97602569.html
Fifty-two percent of the respondents said they did not want the mosque to be built at all, 31 percent are in favor of it, and 17 percent are undecided.
I've decided you've been visited by the same aliens that louis farrakhan has...
 

reefraff

Active Member
So where are all the left wingers who complain about the separation of church and state if you mention Christianity and government in the same sentence complaining about the Imam being sent overseas by our government to tout muslim life in America??? The hypocrisy is amazing.
As far as building the mosque in that area it is a VERY BAD IDEA. I hope the government doesn't stop it as that would be a violation of the constitution. Being an avid Beck follower I understand that you don't get to pick and choose when you follow the rules. I'll let the BSNBC viewers play that game.
If the Imam really wants to advance acceptance of Islam he would respect the feelings of the majority of the people who lost friends and family on 9-11 and move his mosque. What do you think would have happened if someone even today, more than 6 decades later suggested opening a Japanese cultural center on the shore overlooking the Arizona?
 

geridoc

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3298155
The government decides where to build religious institution all the time... IT is called zoning...
And the responsible government entities (the community board, the landmark commission to name two) have approved the project.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3298220
So where are all the left wingers who complain about the separation of church and state if you mention Christianity and government in the same sentence complaining about the Imam being sent overseas by our government to tout muslim life in America??? The hypocrisy is amazing.
As far as building the mosque in that area it is a VERY BAD IDEA. I hope the government doesn't stop it as that would be a violation of the constitution. Being an avid Beck follower I understand that you don't get to pick and choose when you follow the rules. I'll let the BSNBC viewers play that game.
If the Imam really wants to advance acceptance of Islam he would respect the feelings of the majority of the people who lost friends and family on 9-11 and move his mosque. What do you think would have happened if someone even today, more than 6 decades later suggested opening a Japanese cultural center on the shore overlooking the Arizona?
Actually, there is a Japanese Cultural Center located in Honolulu. Not sure where it's located in relation to the Arizona, but it probably isn't that far away.
http://jcch.com/
As far as the facility itself, you can read about the entire controversy here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51
 

reefraff

Active Member
Cultural center is about 10 miles from the Arizona site.
Keep in mind the Imam steering this wagon refuses to call Hezbola a terrorist group and wants to break ground on his building 9-11-2011, yeah, no symbolism there. Even if you want to grant a large benefit of the doubt to this guy only a complete fool would assume the terrorists and their sympathisers wont use it as a huge propaganda tool.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Sacrilege at Ground Zero
A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz).
When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated.
That's why Disney's 1993 proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition that feared vulgarization of the Civil War (and that was wiser than me; at the time I obtusely saw little harm in the venture). It's why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It's why, while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive.
And why Pope John Paul II ordered the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz. He was in no way devaluing their heartfelt mission to pray for the souls of the dead. He was teaching them a lesson in respect: This is not your place; it belongs to others. However pure your voice, better to let silence reign.
Even New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who denounced opponents of the proposed 15-story mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero as tramplers on religious freedom, asked the mosque organizers "to show some special sensitivity to the situation." Yet, as columnist Rich Lowry pointedly noted, the government has no business telling churches how to conduct their business, shape their message or show "special sensitivity" to anyone about anything. Bloomberg was thereby inadvertently conceding the claim of those he excoriates for opposing the mosque, namely that Ground Zero is indeed unlike any other place and therefore unique criteria govern what can be done there.
Bloomberg's implication is clear: If the proposed mosque were controlled by "insensitive" Islamist radicals either excusing or celebrating 9/11, he would not support its construction.
But then, why not? By the mayor's own expansive view of religious freedom, by what right do we dictate the message of any mosque? Moreover, as a practical matter, there's no guarantee that this couldn't happen in the future. Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and onetime imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists?
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An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Or would the mayor then step in -- violating the same First Amendment he grandiosely pretends to protect from mosque opponents -- and exercise a veto over the mosque's clergy?
Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed.
Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi -- yet despite contemporary Germany's innocence, no German of goodwill would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.
Which makes you wonder about the goodwill behind Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's proposal. This is a man who has called U.S. policy "an accessory to the crime" of 9/11 and, when recently asked whether Hamas is a terrorist organization, replied, "I'm not a politician. . . . The issue of terrorism is a very complex question."
America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.
These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero.
Build it anywhere but there.
The governor of New York offered to help find land to build the mosque elsewhere. A mosque really seeking to build bridges, Rauf's ostensible hope for the structure, would accept the offer.
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fenrir

Member
Being an Atheist I don't really like when any property is used up by any religious organization. However this property was privately owned and the owner has every right to build what ever they please as long as it is within zoning laws. To be truthful no one would would care if this was a Christian/Jewish building put into this location. And if you do think so you are fooling your self. So I think it would be more un American not to allow the Islamic community build this site rather than have the Government step in and say they can't build it.
Having said all of that I personally feel that this Mosque is being built in bad taste. If they really wanted to have better relations between Islam and there community they would take note of the issues being brought up by the citizens of New York. I only see two outcomes of this center.
1. The person building the Mosque does end up being crazy it will only add more fuel to the fire against the Islamic community.
2. Some citizens of New York will take things into there own hands. Use your imagination there...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fenrir
http:///forum/post/3298376
Being an Atheist I don't really like when any property is used up by any religious organization. However this property was privately owned and the owner has every right to build what ever they please as long as it is within zoning laws. To be truthful no one would would care if this was a Christian/Jewish building put into this location. And if you do think so you are fooling your self. So I think it would be more un American not to allow the Islamic community build this site rather than have the Government step in and say they can't build it.

McFly, the the christians didn't fly airplanes into the WTC... Do you really not see how poor this argument is?
 

fenrir

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3298384
McFly, the the christians didn't fly airplanes into the WTC... Do you really not see how poor this argument is?
Cool I can play this game too. There are plenty of Christian examples of terrorism just in our wonderful country. See this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Just because some Christians are crazy doesn't mean they are all crazy. Just the same with Islam.
However if you would of ready my post all the way through I don't like the idea of building a Mosque near the WTC either. However the very idea of the Government coming and saying anything to any organization on what they can or cannot build on private property goes against everything America is.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by Fenrir
http:///forum/post/3298393
the very idea of the Government coming and saying anything to any organization on what they can or cannot build on private property goes against everything America is.
I could not agree more. I also agree with your earlier sentiment that it is in poor taste but government should take a step away from this issue.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fenrir
http:///forum/post/3298393
Cool I can play this game too. There are plenty of Christian examples of terrorism just in our wonderful country. See this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Just because some Christians are crazy doesn't mean they are all crazy. Just the same with Islam.
However if you would of ready my post all the way through I don't like the idea of building a Mosque near the WTC either. However the very idea of the Government coming and saying anything to any organization on what they can or cannot build on private property goes against everything America is.
I totally agree about the government not stopping it. Your comment about nobody caring if a Christian or Jewish group placed a building there has no bearing on the issue, like reb posted they didn't fly planes into the buildings. If you don't think hell would be raised if a Christian group tried to place a memorial to aborted babies on the site where a fundamentalist bombed an abortion clinic you are nuts.
 
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