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tizzo
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Abortion...So here's your thread
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tizzo
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Originally Posted by T316
Now we are getting somewhere. I never said I wanted an answer. Especially to a queston that the Supreme Court has gone back and forth on. To "vent", gives people a chance to express their opinions, and their is NO BETTER WAY to learn than to listen to other's views. I don't agree with half the people I listen to, but it will either reinforce why you believe what you believe, or make you aware of something on the other side that you had not thought of before.
Ok, I'll play along, (LOL)
Abortion. For me, I think it would be a bad choice. Therefore I will not have one.
Now we are getting somewhere. I never said I wanted an answer. Especially to a queston that the Supreme Court has gone back and forth on. To "vent", gives people a chance to express their opinions, and their is NO BETTER WAY to learn than to listen to other's views. I don't agree with half the people I listen to, but it will either reinforce why you believe what you believe, or make you aware of something on the other side that you had not thought of before.
Ok, I'll play along, (LOL)
Abortion. For me, I think it would be a bad choice. Therefore I will not have one.
t316
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Originally Posted by Tizzo
I wish I knew... I read this one first.
Asking why they want to know would be crucial in my response.
To vent, gets no responce.
Cause he knocked up his GF and is scared would get a sincere response
To deliver his side on the debate final tomorrow, well, he'd get whatever responce he had to argue for with much research to boot.
So I wanted to know why.
=Now I know. For some answer from somebody I never heard of
So, now you know.... No... I didn't knock up any GF (my wife probably wouldn't like that). I have no political interest here, and I promise not to research any info. to "deliver his side of the debate final tomorrow".
I wish I knew... I read this one first.
Asking why they want to know would be crucial in my response.
To vent, gets no responce.
Cause he knocked up his GF and is scared would get a sincere response
To deliver his side on the debate final tomorrow, well, he'd get whatever responce he had to argue for with much research to boot.
So I wanted to know why.
=Now I know. For some answer from somebody I never heard of
So, now you know.... No... I didn't knock up any GF (my wife probably wouldn't like that). I have no political interest here, and I promise not to research any info. to "deliver his side of the debate final tomorrow".
ruaround
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Originally Posted by T316
So, now you know.... No... I didn't knock up any GF (my wife probably wouldn't like that). I have no political interest here, and I promise not to research any info. to "deliver his side of the debate final tomorrow".
thanks dude... i just spit water on my lap top...
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tizzo
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Yeah... and under THOSE circumstances, I would almost hafta switch my response.
KIDDING! I'm kidding
KIDDING! I'm kidding
aquaknight
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Instead of arguing, here's my perspective...
I would typically be Pro-Life. Sort of you dealt you own hand type thing. Knocking up some side project instead of the wife for instance, babies don't just happen. If completely free and open, I feel abuse of abortions would happen.
However, in a rare case, say a young teen was raped by an old, disgusting man. It would be completely IMO up to her to keep the child. If she chose an abortion, I would behind that 100%. I would still suggest giving birth, putting him/her up for adoption, etc, etc. In the end, since I opened the window for her, I therefore have to open the window for anybody who chooses abortion. I feel that I could not pick anyone, myself included, that would decipher who got to go through with one, and who got denied, correctly. However much that may pain me.
I would typically be Pro-Life. Sort of you dealt you own hand type thing. Knocking up some side project instead of the wife for instance, babies don't just happen. If completely free and open, I feel abuse of abortions would happen.
However, in a rare case, say a young teen was raped by an old, disgusting man. It would be completely IMO up to her to keep the child. If she chose an abortion, I would behind that 100%. I would still suggest giving birth, putting him/her up for adoption, etc, etc. In the end, since I opened the window for her, I therefore have to open the window for anybody who chooses abortion. I feel that I could not pick anyone, myself included, that would decipher who got to go through with one, and who got denied, correctly. However much that may pain me.
mfp1016
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I'm actually fairly apathetic towards the subject, so I will throw in this to see if anyone would reply and wish to change this thinking.
Many animals exhibit behaviors wherein they will kill their own offspring. This can be for a number of reasons, population control, danger, for food, the goes on. Why is this changed for humans? Or is this an issue of relativity, are pro-lifers looking at this relative to THEIR faith, whilst the pro-choice propronents look at this relative to nature and the idea of self?
On the topic of the relevenace/dignity of this thread, I agree that unreferenced/unresearched logic is of no help; but I also think that to shun rhetoric simply to advocate what you propose should be some sort of linear modicum of neutrality is utterly foolish. I say, that your posts simply serve as a testament to the very redundancy and tomfoolery that you seek to admonish. Why not abstain from the conversation? I believe that the title field is meant for just that, consolidation. If you are unhappy with particular conversations in the Lounge, I invite you to start threads about topics you would like to champion. There's nothing wrong with a change of pace.
Many animals exhibit behaviors wherein they will kill their own offspring. This can be for a number of reasons, population control, danger, for food, the goes on. Why is this changed for humans? Or is this an issue of relativity, are pro-lifers looking at this relative to THEIR faith, whilst the pro-choice propronents look at this relative to nature and the idea of self?
On the topic of the relevenace/dignity of this thread, I agree that unreferenced/unresearched logic is of no help; but I also think that to shun rhetoric simply to advocate what you propose should be some sort of linear modicum of neutrality is utterly foolish. I say, that your posts simply serve as a testament to the very redundancy and tomfoolery that you seek to admonish. Why not abstain from the conversation? I believe that the title field is meant for just that, consolidation. If you are unhappy with particular conversations in the Lounge, I invite you to start threads about topics you would like to champion. There's nothing wrong with a change of pace.
jennythebugg
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Originally Posted by TangMan99
<--- Ruaround and myself
hahahaha
as for my opinion abortion should only be used if it is endangering the mothers life or in cases of ---- or molestaion.let me ask you this what would your opinion on it be if a 14 year old girl was raped by her uncle and a pregnancy resulted , surely you wouldn't expect that little girl to go through with something like that it would be torture every time the baby kicked , every appointment she heard the heartbeat , every sonogram they would all bring it all back- like i said torture
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as for my opinion abortion should only be used if it is endangering the mothers life or in cases of ---- or molestaion.let me ask you this what would your opinion on it be if a 14 year old girl was raped by her uncle and a pregnancy resulted , surely you wouldn't expect that little girl to go through with something like that it would be torture every time the baby kicked , every appointment she heard the heartbeat , every sonogram they would all bring it all back- like i said torture
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
BabyB,
People dont go to prison for killing animals. ....
There are many states in which a person can be tried for "double murder" if a pregnant woman is killed, however....
The interesting thing to me (it's already occured in this thread) is how quickly pro abortionists jump on the anti-religion band wagon. Typical "spin", imho.
When does life begin?.... That's the question that no one can answer, yet millions of Americans are quick to say "keep abortion legal". Yet we'll condemm workers at a hog butchering facility or a pro football player for mistreating animals.
It's not a question of religion, it's a question of science. When does life begin? What is the difference between an 8th month old fetus and a newborn baby? Location? Surely there is more to it than that...
Your choice ends when you infringe on another's rights.
BabyB,
People dont go to prison for killing animals. ....
There are many states in which a person can be tried for "double murder" if a pregnant woman is killed, however....
The interesting thing to me (it's already occured in this thread) is how quickly pro abortionists jump on the anti-religion band wagon. Typical "spin", imho.
When does life begin?.... That's the question that no one can answer, yet millions of Americans are quick to say "keep abortion legal". Yet we'll condemm workers at a hog butchering facility or a pro football player for mistreating animals.
It's not a question of religion, it's a question of science. When does life begin? What is the difference between an 8th month old fetus and a newborn baby? Location? Surely there is more to it than that...
Your choice ends when you infringe on another's rights.
1journeyman
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Btw, we Mods don't lock contraversial threads until:
A: It's a dead horse beating
B: Debate degrages into personal attacks
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I know many of you know that, but just wanted to throw it out there again for those that don't know.
Now, sometimes it may appear a thread was locked for no reason. Remember, it probably appears that way because we deleted the offending threads.
A: It's a dead horse beating
B: Debate degrages into personal attacks
C: It's an inappropriate topic.
I know many of you know that, but just wanted to throw it out there again for those that don't know.
Now, sometimes it may appear a thread was locked for no reason. Remember, it probably appears that way because we deleted the offending threads.
perfectdark
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Im curious to hear the answers to this. Especially by the pro life people.
What happens in the case of a rapist that gets a woman pregnant? Do you really think she wants to be pregnant? That any joy at all will come of her pregnancy or parenting. Or perhaps she will hold against that child the manor in which it was concieved. Question his or her motives for everything they do, for the rest of his or her life. I dont think anyone can answer that question.. so why take that choice away from them.
How about detectable birth defects, or Siamese Twins to such a degree that the children will never be able to be split. How difficult is their life going to be? You think riducule by being short or fat is bad in todays society? what about being in the spot light your entire life for how were born with such a severe disformality that people actually cry for you when they look at you? Forget the medical issues that most likley will be there for the rest of their life. Is this a life you would choose for anybody? be happy they are alive and not wish that the pain they were going through everyday would be over.
And Im sorry to the people who say that those types of people are truley happy and have adapted. I dont care how they look on the outside those are not happy people. Not one minute goes by where they dont look at themselves as somthing that shouldnt of happened. IMO...
Still a pro life advocate?
I am all about being responsible for your own actions...however, what do you do when its the result of someone elses actions, or somthing out of your control?
What happens in the case of a rapist that gets a woman pregnant? Do you really think she wants to be pregnant? That any joy at all will come of her pregnancy or parenting. Or perhaps she will hold against that child the manor in which it was concieved. Question his or her motives for everything they do, for the rest of his or her life. I dont think anyone can answer that question.. so why take that choice away from them.
How about detectable birth defects, or Siamese Twins to such a degree that the children will never be able to be split. How difficult is their life going to be? You think riducule by being short or fat is bad in todays society? what about being in the spot light your entire life for how were born with such a severe disformality that people actually cry for you when they look at you? Forget the medical issues that most likley will be there for the rest of their life. Is this a life you would choose for anybody? be happy they are alive and not wish that the pain they were going through everyday would be over.
And Im sorry to the people who say that those types of people are truley happy and have adapted. I dont care how they look on the outside those are not happy people. Not one minute goes by where they dont look at themselves as somthing that shouldnt of happened. IMO...
Still a pro life advocate?
I am all about being responsible for your own actions...however, what do you do when its the result of someone elses actions, or somthing out of your control?
1journeyman
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interesting moral dilemmas, but it doesn't address the real question of when life begins.
That said, it's a straw man argument. The vast majority of abortions in the USA are not the result of medical neccessity or r ape.
As for the rest of your post; It terrifies me. The SS under Hitler's regime made similar arguments when they were shipping hundreds of thousands of handicapped people to the death camps.
I know that wasn't your intention, but you have to look at the natural conclusion to your position. Can handicapped people not live productive lives? Should all physical and mentally handicapped fetuses be aborted?
I respect your opinion, but it is wrong. Handicapped people can live happy and productive lives.
That said, it's a straw man argument. The vast majority of abortions in the USA are not the result of medical neccessity or r ape.
As for the rest of your post; It terrifies me. The SS under Hitler's regime made similar arguments when they were shipping hundreds of thousands of handicapped people to the death camps.
I know that wasn't your intention, but you have to look at the natural conclusion to your position. Can handicapped people not live productive lives? Should all physical and mentally handicapped fetuses be aborted?
I respect your opinion, but it is wrong. Handicapped people can live happy and productive lives.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Scotts
Just gotta say I agree completely with what Tizzo said.
LOL, which time?
Just gotta say I agree completely with what Tizzo said.
LOL, which time?
ice4ice
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
Instead of arguing, here's my perspective...
I would typically be Pro-Life. Sort of you dealt you own hand type thing. Knocking up some side project instead of the wife for instance, babies don't just happen. If completely free and open, I feel abuse of abortions would happen.
However, in a rare case, say a young teen was raped by an old, disgusting man. It would be completely IMO up to her to keep the child. If she chose an abortion, I would behind that 100%. I would still suggest giving birth, putting him/her up for adoption, etc, etc. In the end, since I opened the window for her, I therefore have to open the window for anybody who chooses abortion. I feel that I could not pick anyone, myself included, that would decipher who got to go through with one, and who got denied, correctly. However much that may pain me.
I totally agree on this statement.
Instead of arguing, here's my perspective...
I would typically be Pro-Life. Sort of you dealt you own hand type thing. Knocking up some side project instead of the wife for instance, babies don't just happen. If completely free and open, I feel abuse of abortions would happen.
However, in a rare case, say a young teen was raped by an old, disgusting man. It would be completely IMO up to her to keep the child. If she chose an abortion, I would behind that 100%. I would still suggest giving birth, putting him/her up for adoption, etc, etc. In the end, since I opened the window for her, I therefore have to open the window for anybody who chooses abortion. I feel that I could not pick anyone, myself included, that would decipher who got to go through with one, and who got denied, correctly. However much that may pain me.
I totally agree on this statement.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by bigarn
uh-oh .... tizzo gonna git ya!
Hehe, no! Not like that...
She just posted several times at the beginning of the thread.
uh-oh .... tizzo gonna git ya!
Hehe, no! Not like that...
She just posted several times at the beginning of the thread.