Abortion...So here's your thread

[jennythebugg]

abortion is not a choice i personally would make , with my second child because i was given ect(electro shock therapy)for depression in kentucky when i was about 4 weeks pregnant. when i moved back to texas i had many sonograms they gave me amniocentsis afterwards (sp?) they told me that my daughter would be born with only a brain stem and had a zero percent chance of survival after birth i continued with the pregnancy and have a beautiful 12 year old girl now. i have a cousin that i refuse to speak to in florida because she chooses to use abortion as her own personal means of birth control( 4 so far i believe) and it makes me ill to think about it. but i would never tell someone that was in my position 13 years ago that they had to have an abortion or not. i could not have imagined holding my daughter and watching her die which is exactly what would have happened if the docs were right and i couldnt imagine telling a woman/girl that was raped or molested that she had to carry that child whether she gave it up for adoption or not. no man has ever carried a child and unless there is some miracle of science no man ever will .there fore i do believe that it is a womans choice . if there is a father (husband /boyfriend) he should have the right to protest, but if a person is not directly involved in the conception then its not their decision

 

[steeliathunder]

Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Why is it that only 2 women put input into this.
Well, as a woman, I have not wanted to participate in this debate because I have no interest in having my personal views bashed by a bunch of people I do not know. Whatever side I would take would leave me unfairly judged by the other camp. Seems very irritating and pointless. I have however read every post. I do not feel I have learned anything new and definately no one has swayed my own opinion. So you guys have fun venting... forum arguements are entertaining at the most.
<exit stage left

*high fives jonthefishguy on the way out*

 

[1journeyman]

I don't think anyone has been "bashed" for their personal views.

 

[jtrzerocool]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I don't think anyone has been "bashed" for their personal views.
me neither...i personally see this as a heated debate...and i dont dislike anyone in this thread because they see things or belive things different then i do...outside of this thread we are all still friends...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
me neither...i personally see this as a heated debate...and i dont dislike anyone in this thread because they see things or belive things different then i do...outside of this thread we are all still friends...
I'm not

ok well

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by SteeliaThunder
Well, as a woman, I have not wanted to participate in this debate because I have no interest in having my personal views bashed by a bunch of people I do not know. Whatever side I would take would leave me unfairly judged by the other camp. Seems very irritating and pointless. I have however read every post. I do not feel I have learned anything new and definately no one has swayed my own opinion. So you guys have fun venting... forum arguements are entertaining at the most.
<exit stage left

*high fives jonthefishguy on the way out*
I would tend to agree, there wasn't any particularly interesting points made on either side. And the one thing I did like did little in the way of persuation but was a decent little history lesson.

 

[jtrzerocool]

well as others have stated...i am on my way out of this thread as well...i am just gonna agree to disagree on the sublect...but wether we like it or not abortions will always be around as long as we can reproduce...illegal or not...

 

[steeliathunder]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I don't think anyone has been "bashed" for their personal views.
this is my point exactly... pick a word out of my post to disagree with. then i can disagree with you and we can officially debate it.

that is all.

 

[wangotango]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I would tend to agree, there wasn't any particularly interesting points made on either side. And the one thing I did like did little in the way of persuation but was a decent little history lesson.
Did you really expect this to be informative? Everyone has their own opinions, and nothing that anyone here says is going to change that. You can list pros and cons of not having an abortion and having an abortion, but it still comes down to a choice.
I can personally relate to jenny's story. Having a doctor tell you that a child may not live through delivery, and if they do, will remain in a vegetative state, then have that child walk, talk, go to school, then college, and do all sorts of other things will make you rethink ending that child's life.
Incase you could not tell from that little blip (about my sister) I am against abortion, except for some reason there was a risk to the mother, or child.
-Justin

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I think this is already addressed, But for lets say absurdity sake my girlfriend is an athiest, and I as a hindu knock her up. I believe all life is sacred, I'm starving and don't eat my pet cow and believed aunt bertha. She wants to abort the child, if she does this, because of karma I just know I'm going to reincarnate as a dung beatle. Is she going to trample on my right for religous freedom by turning harming my unborn children? Remember I'm not christian but hindu, so it isn't ok to discriminate. And by aborting the child you are not allowing me to practice my beliefs. Are we going to let her abort the fetus, remember I'm a minority immagrant hindu wanting to practice my religion in freedom and recieve government handouts. And will fraudulently vote democrat for the better socialist programs.

What does this have to do with whether you would abort a fetus if you were raped? You analogy using religion isn't even close in comparison. It's a yes you would abort, or no you would keep the child answer.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
umm, there are less that 100,000 people raped annually in the united states. According to planned parenthood there are 1.6 million abortions each year. Even if every ---- resulted in conception and every conception due to ---- was aborted then you are talking less than 8% of abortions. So you tell me how relavant your "situation" is the the discussion of this topic.

For a pro lifer, and abortion is an abortion, isn't it? Could care less if it were only 1 person in 1.6 million that this happened to. It's the worst unwanted pregnancy any woman would want. If you or you significant other got pregnant in this situation, what would you do?

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by WangoTango
Did you really expect this to be informative? Everyone has their own opinions, and nothing that anyone here says is going to change that. You can list pros and cons of not having an abortion and having an abortion, but it still comes down to a choice.
I can personally relate to jenny's story. Having a doctor tell you that a child may not live through delivery, and if they do, will remain in a vegetative state, then have that child walk, talk, go to school, then college, and do all sorts of other things will make you rethink ending that child's life.
Incase you could not tell from that little blip (about my sister) I am against abortion, except for some reason there was a risk to the mother, or child.
-Justin
I know several people who've had abortions. One was pretty much the same situation as jenny's. Another was raped. The others, for them it was a convenience due to poor timing. Were any of them right? It's not for me to judge. However, the Pro Lifers are wanting to take this choice away from women no matter what the situation is. That's the problem I have with them. Allowing the government to tell an individual what they can do with their bodies and their lives. If they succeed, we'll be back to the days of sneaking into back rooms having abortions with coat hangers. So if this is what the Pro Lifers want, then welcome back to the Dark Ages. Nothing like taking a step back for human rights. While we're at it, let's go back to slavery and not allowing women to vote.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
...So if this is what the Pro Lifers want, then welcome back to the Dark Ages. Nothing like taking a step back for human rights. While we're at it, let's go back to slavery and not allowing women to vote.
Pro Lifer's would argue killing a baby is living in the "dark ages". Arguing money over life=dark ages.
Slavery is a good point. 300 years ago it was the "law of the land". We as a society chose to go to war to protect the helpless and free a race of people who had a voice. How much more so should we fight for those that have no voice?

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Good. That's 1,000,000 that won't be on the streets selling drugs or living off of welfare.=
But that simply ISN'T the usual case! If the child is allowed to live, he is given up for adoption by a loving, caring family.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
This country is getting overpopulated anyway. We need more abortions to keep the population down for all the illegal immigrants that sneak in.
Ok, man. You first.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
This country is getting overpopulated anyway.
You know, that's actually not true. There are MILLIONS of acres of land that have never been lived in by an American.

 

[bigarn]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
You know, that's actually not true. There are MILLIONS of acres of land that have never been lived in by an American.
yeah .. and lets keep it that way ...

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
So Clown Boy. Let's say your wife is at home alone, and some lowlife breaks into the house and rapes her. Couple weeks later, you find out she's pregnant. What do you do? Do you continue with the pregnancy and raise the child yourself, looking at it knowing it was conceived by some scum bag, or do you give it up for adoption, knowing that a child born by your wife is out in the world. Remember, abortion is out of the question.
Like 1journeyman said, this almost never happens. But if it did, I would probably choose the former. Only a selfish person would kill a child (or fetus, or whatever) just because it was conceived by a "scum bag".

 

[wangotango]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
I know several people who've had abortions. One was pretty much the same situation as jenny's. Another was raped. The others, for them it was a convenience due to poor timing. Were any of them right? It's not for me to judge. However, the Pro Lifers are wanting to take this choice away from women no matter what the situation is. That's the problem I have with them. Allowing the government to tell an individual what they can do with their bodies and their lives. If they succeed, we'll be back to the days of sneaking into back rooms having abortions with coat hangers. So if this is what the Pro Lifers want, then welcome back to the Dark Ages. Nothing like taking a step back for human rights. While we're at it, let's go back to slavery and not allowing women to vote.
I agree with you 100% that it's not the church or government's job to determine whether or not abortion is acceptable, and I agree that a woman has the right and the choice to determine what happens to her body. It's the practice of abortion itself that I do not agree with.
It's not my place to judge, but there are far worse things that can happen to a person who has been raped than being pregnant. You can survive a pregnancy, if you conract HPV or HIV, you have it for life. Would I think less of a person who had an abortion under these circumstances, no, but there are better choices imo. My uncle's biological mother gave birth to him while she was in high school (the father left). She didn't want him, and in all honesty I wouldn't want a child at my age either. She gave him up for adoption though.
Again, not to judge; if you aren't ready for a baby, there are several cheaper methods of birth control out there, an abortion should not be considered a method of birth control.
Again, those are my opinions which might be the complete opposite of how someone else feels, but you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.
-Justin

 

[ukcats]

When does the child get to decide who has a right to do what it wants to his/her body?
Abortion is for an out for selfish and irresponsible people!
The person that argues this statement wiil argue the exception (----/

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/etc) and not the rule (opps, I'm pregnant).
Very Sad...