Afew questions on setting up new salt water tank

jordan s

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I recently bought a 70 gallon fish tank and all the equipment and I was curious how much it costs to get setup for salt water fish. I am starting on just fresh water fish till I know what I am doing 100% before I start at salt water. I am just wondering around how much to get everything you need inside the tank before you start adding fish. my tank is 48x18x19.
 

trigger40

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live rock. live sand, heater/chiller(depends on wher you live,)and filter. this will cost you about a cople hundred dollars give or take
 

jordan s

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Canada so definitely a heater lol. I got Rena filstar xp3 for filter. was wondering around what for live rock/sand. going to be a pain to get living rocks n sand where I live I can just see it. pet stores around here aren't that great with there salt water aquariums. thanks.
 

trigger40

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looked up that filter and its beter than mine lol. you can probaly get every thing you need right hear at saltwaterfish.com if your lfs's dont have it. if you dont mind me asking what do you plan on adding to your tank, like fish and corals or just fish. im curious.
 

jordan s

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to be honest right now I don't have a clue. haven't had salt water fish before. I am doing tropical fish right now till I know what I am doing before I move onto salt. would be a mixture of coral/salt water fish but not sure what kind of fish yet. our local petstore only has like 5-6 different salt water fish. like clown fish and blue tangs.
 

trigger40

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that has to suck. i have two great lfs's. one is definetly beter than the other. that store knows how to take care of fish.
but be careful what fish you buy not all are reef safe.
 

jordan s

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ya the people at the store are pretty smart when comes to fish. they got more fish in there own fish tank at home then there store sells. but ill also look online what fish are good together.
 

trigger40

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for a reef tank you could do clowns, some tangs, dwarf angles, damzels, six line wrass., fairy wrass, a lot more wrasses, ect. this site gives you all the fish and ther min tank size, wether they are reef safe temperment. do that than put together a list and post it on the forum. people will tell you whats what and ther recamendations. and dont forget inverts! lol
 

bang guy

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My estimates to do it right are about $30 per gallon for a Fish Only, $40 a gallon for a Fish only with live rock, and $50 - $60 per gallon for a full reef tank.
 

jordan s

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does saltwaterfish.com ship to Canada? I know I gotta save up my pennys for full reef lol. thanks for some of the fish that I can put together. will do a lot more research before I got the $$ for it
 

severelysalty

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I would highly recommend (as someone who is about 2 years into this process also), that you master the salt water fish keeping before trying corals. Firstly you need an entirely different lighting set up than what comes standard with normal tanks that is about $400 so unless you purchased that when you got the tank, I would save corals for later. Also a lot of fish species and invertebrates you may add to your salt tank aren't compatible with corals and will just eat them and waste your money so if you haven't already started putting salt fish in your tank and you really want to do corals, be sure to ask around and do your research before you buy fish that will prevent you from having a reef/coral tank.

My best advice would be go really slow with the whole process......friends have been watching me build up this tank for a year and a half and keep asking why I only had rocks and sand in it for a few months, then why I only had 2 fish in it for a year, and my answer was always "you cannot create the ocean in a box very easily, and not only are salt water fish less sturdy than fresh water, they take more space, they need well established water quality and an ecosystem with the live rocks and sand and bacteria going before you just plunk a bunch of them in there and hope they live, because they won't." Patience is a virtue here and I believe that is why every single person I've known to try to start up a salt water tank gave up after a few months, complaining that all their fish kept dying. I've had the tank up about 18 months now, I have 5 fish and two hermit crabs and it's starting to look a lot cooler but more importantly everything I add, stays alive. You don't wanna drop $50 or more on a fish and have it die a week later.
 

severelysalty

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Originally Posted by Jordan S http:///t/397433/afew-questions-on-setting-up-new-salt-water-tank#post_3542251
ya the people at the store are pretty smart when comes to fish. they got more fish in there own fish tank at home then there store sells. but ill also look online what fish are good together.
I have to say I do rely on the people at my fish store too, I know they've all worked there for years and most have their own tanks, but occasionally I have received bad advice about species compatibility and ended up with dead fish or fish that ate my invertebrates so you're being smart to come ask people on here who know more about the hobby and will be more honest hopefully.
 

jordan s

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Originally Posted by SeverelySalty http:///t/397433/afew-questions-on-setting-up-new-salt-water-tank#post_3542266
I would highly recommend (as someone who is about 2 years into this process also), that you master the salt water fish keeping before trying corals. Firstly you need an entirely different lighting set up than what comes standard with normal tanks that is about $400 so unless you purchased that when you got the tank, I would save corals for later. Also a lot of fish species and invertebrates you may add to your salt tank aren't compatible with corals and will just eat them and waste your money so if you haven't already started putting salt fish in your tank and you really want to do corals, be sure to ask around and do your research before you buy fish that will prevent you from having a reef/coral tank.

My best advice would be go really slow with the whole process......friends have been watching me build up this tank for a year and a half and keep asking why I only had rocks and sand in it for a few months, then why I only had 2 fish in it for a year, and my answer was always "you cannot create the ocean in a box very easily, and not only are salt water fish less sturdy than fresh water, they take more space, they need well established water quality and an ecosystem with the live rocks and sand and bacteria going before you just plunk a bunch of them in there and hope they live, because they won't." Patience is a virtue here and I believe that is why every single person I've known to try to start up a salt water tank gave up after a few months, complaining that all their fish kept dying. I've had the tank up about 18 months now, I have 5 fish and two hermit crabs and it's starting to look a lot cooler but more importantly everything I add, stays alive. You don't wanna drop $50 or more on a fish and have it die a week later.
thanks I will consider that too. I haven't really started researching salt water fish that much since I don't plan on getting them till next year sometime. I know that you cant just go to store and come home with 20 fish like you can with a fresh water tank. I wont be rushing into it once I do start tho. like you said don't wanna buy a fish and have it die. and the fish where I live at store are closer to $100 each lol. but I agree wth watching out who you listen too. when I went and got most of my stuff for tank one guy didn't know much but he tried to act like it. that's partly why I came to website so I could get advise from people who has them or at least knows what there doing
 

jay0705

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Its as expensive as u want to make. But bang guy is pretty close on his figures. With your lr/sand, fish issue. Online ordering is prob your best bet.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Jordan S http:///t/397433/afew-questions-on-setting-up-new-salt-water-tank#post_3542179
I recently bought a 70 gallon fish tank and all the equipment and I was curious how much it costs to get setup for salt water fish. I am starting on just fresh water fish till I know what I am doing 100% before I start at salt water. I am just wondering around how much to get everything you need inside the tank before you start adding fish. my tank is 48x18x19.


Hi,

Number 1 rule...NEVER, EVER ask any local fish store person for advice on ANYTHING
. Go into the store knowing what you want or need ahead of time. They will sell you stuff you don't need, and give you some of the worst advice... and being a beginner you won't be able to tell the BS from true knowledge. The Conscientious Aquarist, by Robert Fenner... or the Saltwater Aquariums for Dummies are really good books to read.

So you spent your money on freshwater set up first.... you may as well just jump in after doing some reading in a beginners book. Freshwater fish keeping isn't going to help much to educate you, saltwater fish and up keep is a whole new ball of wax.

The answers to what you need to get set up are already posted, you just need to learn about cycling and taking your time, how to chose the right critters for your tank, and a good beginners book will help you, hanging out here is going to really be useful as well... Welcome to the site.

As for what fish:

Click on the picture to enlarge it...this is an example of the information the book offers.


They have one for inverts too


 

jay0705

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Honestly I agree w flower. Salt isnt that hard compared to fresh. Research your fish and start w hardy easy to maintain ones. Clowns, dotty backs, fire fish, certain gobys, blennys. Ive done both and I think salt is easier. You can keep critters in your tank that basically take care of it for u. All you do is feed um and do a water change now and then. The first yr is the toughest after that the tank should be mature and realitvly low maintenance
 

severelysalty

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Originally Posted by Jordan S http:///t/397433/afew-questions-on-setting-up-new-salt-water-tank#post_3542273
thanks I will consider that too. I haven't really started researching salt water fish that much since I don't plan on getting them till next year sometime. I know that you cant just go to store and come home with 20 fish like you can with a fresh water tank. I wont be rushing into it once I do start tho. like you said don't wanna buy a fish and have it die. and the fish where I live at store are closer to $100 each lol. but I agree wth watching out who you listen too. when I went and got most of my stuff for tank one guy didn't know much but he tried to act like it. that's partly why I came to website so I could get advise from people who has them or at least knows what there doing
My issue is that even though I recently started doing the salt water tank again, I have been using this store for my freshwater fish for years, and I don't need help with those but I have seen these same employees who have been there for like 10 years and they all claim they have their own salt tanks so I have to wonder why they wouldn't warn me about certain things......they did tell me the wrasse I wanted to buy yesterday would eat my hermit crabs like escargot, but even though they said my diamond watchman goby I went with instead was compatible with my other fish (and from what I can tell he is), they never mentioned him jumping out of the tank or starving from lack of dirty sand to eat which u only get after at least a year of an established aquarium and I never mentioned to them anything about my tank......I know they've seen me in there for a few years now but if I were that sales person I'd mention those things......don't get a sifting goby in your new tank, they will starve
 

severelysalty

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Originally Posted by jay0705 http:///t/397433/afew-questions-on-setting-up-new-salt-water-tank#post_3542280
Honestly I agree w flower. Salt isnt that hard compared to fresh. Research your fish and start w hardy easy to maintain ones. Clowns, dotty backs, fire fish, certain gobys, blennys. Ive done both and I think salt is easier. You can keep critters in your tank that basically take care of it for u. All you do is feed um and do a water change now and then. The first yr is the toughest after that the tank should be mature and realitvly low maintenance
Agree.....with flower and Jay......I know I said fresh waters were easier but I meant only if u get the right ones like guoramis or like one cichlid........salt is a process, you start slow and let it mature....think of if you dropped something into the ocean and then came back a few months later to get it.....it would be well colonized with everything that goes on in that ecosystem and that is how you have to treat your tank. You give it as close as you can to what the ocean is like, realizing you can never fully do that but you can keep fish alive in captivity for 10 years or more if you are stable in the environment......they can adjust to a little difference in temperature or salinity but it has to be consistent; think of it as if you were hopping in and out of the hot tub and then the normal temperature pool.......it's a rush but it's causing rapid changes in your heart rate and body functioning that we find fun but these poor fish have been grabbed out of the ocean typically unless you get them from a breeder, bagged up, shipping on a plane, transported by car, dumped in another aquarium in the store, then barely settled before they're rebagged and brought to your home where you dump them into another environment.....it's amazing they live at all.....but if you make sure what you're getting at the store is healthy and you keep your tank up and have a good ecosystem (from what I can tell, I knew my tank was always stable, the tests were all coming up perfect but I had two hermit crabs and some live rock so nothing to alter the chemistry), once I added fish and algae started growing like mad, green, purple, furry, slimy......bristle worms coming out of my live rock, or when you put a new object in the tank that is pretty clean looking like a shell for your crabs to change into or some new live rock that is pretty clean looking, and it gets covered up in crazy algae, that is indicative of a good flourishing amount of bacteria along with good test results.
 

jay0705

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The biggest help in sw is good live rock. Its amazing what the stuff does. I buy a new piece or 2 every other month or so just bc of the good stuff on it. Iam far from an expert, I prob have too many fish in my tank, I also prob over feed. But my tests and fish are perfect. This is w 80lbs of lr and a hob filter lol
 
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