Air Stones Cause Gas Bubble Disease Fact or Myth???

flower

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I thought GBD was a Seahorse affliction and has nothing to do with air being pumped into the tank...They get air bubbles under their skin and they can't swim, such as what Meowzers little horse was suffering. So I'm still learning too.
Spanko.....I run air tubes in my tanks, no stone. It does add oxygen and moves the surface water. I looks pretty and with an air regulator you can control how hard the bubbles burst at the surface keeping salt creep down.
Gemmy....Since getting into the hobby I was told that big bubbles are fine, but little microbubbles will hurt fish gills. You know how it is, if 5 smart people say it's so, it isn't a myth...LOL
Snake.....Also IMO bubbles are not all that un-natural. I was watching a Blue Planet that showed an underwater volcano and it had bubbles and coral all around it. The underwater gizmo the divers were in couldn't get too close because the warm water from the volcano and the cold of the regular ocean would damage it. In the end, a fish tank is an artistic expression of the hobbyist, if you like the way it looks...that's all that really matters. Our fish were never meant to live in a little SW cube, it's already un-natural.
I found this info:

Gas Bubble Disease in Fish

Gas bubble disease refers to the development of gases in a fish's bloodstream. This can occur when its aquarium or pond water is supersaturated with gases.

Symptoms and Types
Gas bubble disease damages the fish's tissue, causing tiny gas bubbles to form in the gills, fins, and eyes of the animal. This tissue damage, if extensive, can even lead to the fish's death.

Causes

Fishes are cold-blooded creatures, meaning their body temperature depends on the temperature of their environment. The water they live in and their bloodstreams can become supersaturated with gases when there is a sudden rise in water temperature or a sudden rise in pressure.
When the cold water in the aquarium is suddenly heated, it can release and trap gases within the water causing gas bubble disease in the aquarium fish. Similarly, pond or tank water can become supersaturated with gases when they are filled with well water through a submerged hose. These gases can also lead to gas bubble disease.
Prevention

Gas bubble disease can be prevented by slowly heating up water when it is added to the aquarium. Also, do not submerge the hose when filling up a pond. Instead, spray water from above, as this will allow all the gases to harmlessly released into the air.
More info found:
Gas Bubble Disease
is often thought to be the result of oversaturation of oxygen in the water. But it usually the result of nitrogen gas supersaturating the aquarium tank water.
Cold tap water is under pressure and contains chlorine gas so when it comes out of the tap the drop in pressure will release these gases trapped in the water.

  • Rapid heating of cold water causes the gas to escape more rapidly and it adheres to all surfaces. This includes the inside and outside of your aquatic animals! If you could examine the gills of the fish you would see tiny bubbles of gas sticking to them which causes lethargy, brain damage and death.
This is because the bubbles on the gills prevent fresh water with its oxygen to penetrate the gills and so the animal in effect suffocates. Also the gas penetrates the gills and the gut and so enters the bloodstream to form bubbles and so blocks the flow of blood. Similar effect to the 'bends' divers can suffer.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/388998/air-stones-cause-gas-bubble-disease-fact-or-myth/20#post_3434536
Flower, it's just my opinion, but I'm glad you expressed yours as well.
Hey...I answered and commented on everyone's opinion...I was bored, all any of us have are opinions. I looked up some stuff and was actually surprised that they mentioned temps and trapped gases. I thought it was interesting and since I have no idea how to attach a link...I copy pasted. I hope you don't feel I was picking a confrontation.
Mostly I sit on the computer hoping for a nibble on a puppy sale, and I float over here for a break and some cyber company...so I'm a little distracted...so I hope I didn't come off wrong.
 

2quills

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Spanko: Nice chart/good info.
Am I mistaken here or is gas bubble disease something completely different then the idea of micro bubbles getting trapped in the gills of fish effecting respiratory action?
 

coralman05

Member
So, i had this idea the other day.. What if i drill a little hole into the bottom on my filter where the motor is ( would find the best place to drill) and stick a the hose in it then silicon it shut then hook it to my bubbler?
 

spanko

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/388998/air-stones-cause-gas-bubble-disease-fact-or-myth/20#post_3434563
Spanko: Nice chart/good info.
Am I mistaken here or is gas bubble disease something completely different then the idea of micro bubbles getting trapped in the gills of fish effecting respiratory action?
"Any gas bubbles attaching to gills can impair respiration degrading fish health; when transporting fish in foamy water with thousands of suspended bubbles, consider the probability of hypoxia, hypercarbia, respiratory acidosis, disease and possibly death."
http://www.oxyedge-chum.com/diffuser,_oxygen_bubbles.htm
Also
Gas bubble disease is more like the bends in a diver. The gas is trapped in the bloodstream not the gills causing a differential in pressure from the bloodstream to the surrounding water.
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Originally Posted by coralman05
http:///t/388998/air-stones-cause-gas-bubble-disease-fact-or-myth/20#post_3438772
So, i had this idea the other day.. What if i drill a little hole into the bottom on my filter where the motor is ( would find the best place to drill) and stick a the hose in it then silicon it shut then hook it to my bubbler?
For what purpose would you want to do this?
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Flower I'm not quite sure the micro bubbles from the skimmers are a serious threat.....More an eye sore to the hobbyist......
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
Unless you're looking to turn the entire tank into a huge cloud cloud like fog I don't know if it's something that I'd lose sleep over. You'd have to reach super saturation levels to do any real harm was my take on this whole thing. I think you'd be ok with a bubbler or two, Flower.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/388998/air-stones-cause-gas-bubble-disease-fact-or-myth/20#post_3471565
Unless you're looking to turn the entire tank into a huge cloud cloud like fog I don't know if it's something that I'd lose sleep over. You'd have to reach super saturation levels to do any real harm was my take on this whole thing. I think you'd be ok with a bubbler or two, Flower.
LOL...I have 2 airlines with nice bubbles in both of my tanks now...seahorse tanks rock, and it does cause salt creep, but a regulator on the line helps.
I think you guys are right, skimmers that would make a cloud of microbubbles.....look terrible, and only if the entire tank was super affected could it cause damage to the fish.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/388998/air-stones-cause-gas-bubble-disease-fact-or-myth#post_3434484
I have argued in the past that skimmers do not oxygenate the water as well as one might think. I read on an online magazine one time where they measured o2 levels before and after a skimmer and there was only a very small difference. I've been trying to stumble across the article again for quite some time without success.
Their experiment was inadequate in my opinion.
 
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