Algae problem

bluebob88

Member
A few questions about my algae problems. I have to clean the glass everyday of green algae, sometimes 2.
Is this cyano?
Would a protein skimmer help a lot?
I do water changes bi-weekly of 10% with tap water that goes through a brita filter. Not sure how much the filter takes out.
Any suggestions on how to fix this problem are welcome.



 

meowzer

Moderator
WOW...you have green hair and cyano.....
what type of filtration do you have?
Yes a skimmer would help
You need to do more waterchanges.....and bigger ones...maybe 6g's 2x a week (you have a 28G right?)
what livestock do you have, clean up crew? what do you feed? Lighting? lighting times?
 

cableguy

Member
Are you using RO water or tap water?
I started with tap water and Im fighting with little hair algae's already! I will prevail, that is a promise!
 

bluebob88

Member
I have a Top Fin Power Filter (30)
Yes I have a 28 Gallon
I have LTA, 2 Clownfish, 1 Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, 1 Peppermint Shrimp, 1 Giant Nassarius Snail, 2 Turbo Snails, 2 hermit crabs
I feed flakes twice a day, small pinch. 1 cube of frozen shrimp once a week.
T5 lighting
2 460nm Actinics
2 10,000k Daylights
both 12.5 hours
And I use Tap Water ran through a Brita filter
 

meowzer

Moderator
You may want to look into ro/di water....have you ever tested your tap...even after the filter?
You need more clean up crew, some cerith snails, nassarius (small), astera snails, and maybe an emerald crab...
Does your lights have separate plugs for the actinics and daylights.....IMO 12.5 hours is too long for your daylights.....actinics ok...daylights maybe 6-8
Get rid of the flakes...use frozen foods like mysis, marine cuisine, emerald entree, and for what you have maybe 1/3 of a cube a day....FLAKES are snack food and full of phosphates (well most)
Your filter may be too small too....on my 29G I have what you would compare to the whisper 60.....the double filter
AND OF COURSE UP THE WATER CHANGES...
 

olemiss

Member
The brita filter is no where near sufficient for saltwater and your algae issues will continue while it is in use. Look into ro/di filters, they are not that expensive and will save you from numerous headaches down the road. A skimmer will help as well but properly filtered water will make a huge difference. a phosphate reactor will also help in your fight with algae. With proper equipment and maintenance your tank will clear up. Avoid chemicals and quick fixes- they don't work long term.
 

bornagain

Member
Turn off and clean your power heads, scrape all the algae off the back wall and do a water change.
More snails. Try to get some hermit crabs that eat cyanobacteria.
Protein skimmer will help a lot. Along with more Live Rock.
My LFS sells RO water at .39cents pet gallon. Another sells Pre-mixed for 1.39 a gallon. Check yours.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
If your doing 10% bi weekly that is beyond more than enough.
%20 a month is a good number to shoot for. According to your OP, your hitting 80% a month.
Doubling that to %160 as suggested isnt changing anything. The problem is still there. Eliminate it.
You have a reasonably light bio-load for a tank that size. The fish is the biggest polluter, and you have two small ones.
in short...that's not the issue. See about reducing your feeding. I know you said you don't feed much, but consider that flakes are pretty much the junk food of the aquarium. It has its negative effects.
Raw foods are the better alternative. 1/4 cube a day would be over kill. Fish have tiny stomachs, and they are cold blooded. It means they have slow metabolisms and cant digest food like a mamal. They only need 5 min of feeding activity a day. They will do just fine if you feed them flakes once a day...and just a pinch.
AS for CuC, for such a small amount of Livestock your CuC is fine.
The goal of the CuC is to remove poop, and then do a little work on algae.
The whole 1 invert per 1g is one of the dumbest things Ive ever come across in this hobby.
You don't see my tank littered with 180 inverts(thats my volume). I have about 20-25 mixed total.
They keep my sand clean, and I wipe the glass every few days with a magnet. Filtration takes care of the rest.
If you absolutely feel you need more CuC...then just add a few at a time. But not much more than half dozen mixed tops.
But its not going to fix your problem. What are they gonna do? eat that mountain of green? Lets be realistic, its not happening. They are tiny animals, even if you got rid of the vast majority of that algae, the CuC isnt going to out pace a problem that exists.
To put my money where my mouth is...My dads nano is a great example. 2 clowns, a hammer torch, and a lawnmore blenny. All taken care of by 4 hermits, and a couple snails.
Except for an upset last week where we discovered that indeed you can have too much macro algae, (and Ive since fixed it), his tank has been doing great. Bottom line, your CuC is not meant to feast on algae that is out of control.
If you want a member of your CuC to be an algae eating machine there are two methods:
Lawnmore blenny or Sea Hare. And hands down the Sea hare will out perform the blenny.
They will eat till they starve, and shouldn't cost more than $25.
Moving on....
Tap water.Thats a good culprit. If your serious about the fix, then the best bet is RO-DI.
A descent one shouldn't be much past $125
Also lights, that's definitely accelerating the problem.
You heard right. 6-8 hours is all you should have them on for.
These two are 90% of your problem.
Now that wont show immediate results if you change this...your talking a good month or so to clear things up.
However, there are accelerators:
I am a big fan of Chemiclean red slime remover. Ive treated in the past ONCE and it never returned. There are also algae removers as well, they actually work pretty descent.
FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS PERFECTLY! For $14, you will destroy every last trace of red slime algae.
Also your filtration as stated might not be enough. First thing I saw was how little LR you have.
Look on CL for some LR. Get another 15lbs or so.
And dont sell those top fin filters short. My dad uses one in his nano(30).
Hes faithful about changing his filter, are you?
I think he does over kill. He uses two pads a month. And the difference beetween his tank now and before he added the filter is amazing.
They aren't too shabby for what you pay. So don't feel like you need to scrap it, just compliment it.
Here is a few ideas:
To supplement his HOB filter, he also uses a bag of carbon, and bag of purigen, as well as filter floss that he changes monthly.
I would recommend filling a few filter socks with carbon and maybe even one with Purigen. And putting them in the back chamber. IT wont pull nutrients out as good as a reactor or canister...but you will still be having water pass in its midst's, and it will pull excess out. If a canister is an option, yo might want to consider it. They really do a pretty good job.
As for skimmer, its going to pull out alot of junk...but finding a good one for a nano sux, because most of them do just that. We gave up on ours.
Final thoughts:
Reducing the light, using proper RO-DI, and proper feeding habits( I wonder what you call a pinch of flakes), along water changes and a slightly beefing up of your filtration, will show sign over the course of the next few months.
If you want to cut that down to a couple weeks, then use some chemical treatments to kill the current algae. Just remember that the problem will simply return, that's why you have to eliminate it...not just the symptoms. OK time for bed. My .02 went a little farther than I wanted.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
OH and a BIG BIG help potentially in identifying a source would be to put up your water params. It might give some insight that otherwise we haven't thought of yet.
 

noah's nemo

Member
Nitrates are probably high from too much feeding.Plus feeding flake food(big trouble maker)!Plus, tap water is not the problem,IMO.All i use is tap.I do not have a problem.Cut back feeding and no more flake food!
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by Noah's Nemo
http:///forum/post/3257108
Nitrates are probably high from too much feeding.Plus feeding flake food(big trouble maker)!Plus, tap water is not the problem,IMO.All i use is tap.I do not have a problem.Cut back feeding and no more flake food!
Nitrates agreed. Thats why water params would be a bighelp.
Flake feeding agreed. One mans version of a pinch is different than another. Especially 2x a day. fish need it once. All they do is nibble and they are done. 5 min of feeding activity a day is plenty.
Tap water not agreed. Tap water is a proven culprit of algae increase.
Tap water is higher in phosphates. Some sources are better than others.
I trust the tap water out of my well, but thats becuase its private and comes fresh from the mountian. We test it anually, and aside from a high mineral content, its about as pristine as it gets.
A counter to tap water(among other things) that REALLY reduces algae is a GFO reactor...but Granular Pheric Oxide isnt cheap.
Its grossly over priced. 5 gallons of the cheap stuff is $300. Want the good stuff? Expect $800+ for 5 gallons.
What is this stuff? Gold dust?
Thats why a cheap alternative is RO-DI water. If it didnt work, people wouldnt use them. Just like Scrubbers ^_^
Its going to be a combo beetween feeding, light nad RO water.
If he wants to debunk the RO idea. A few simple tests would show if his water qulity direct from the tap.
If the RO theory is indeed debunked, then its a process of elimination, and move on to the next possible solution.
 

bluebob88

Member
Thanks for all the feed back so far. Haven't decided what I am going to do yet
Parameters:
Ammonia: 0
Nitrate: 40 ppm
Nitrite: 0.5 ppm
Alkalinity: 300 ppm
pH: 7.8
Temp: 80
Salinity: 1.023
 

olemiss

Member
Tap water varies from region to region, while some can use it with no adverse affects others will have significant algae blooms. A TDS meter is needed to know whether your tap water is acceptable. Mine was not, hence the ro/di unit.
 

bluebob88

Member
I just checked my tap with a tds meter it was 115ppm, After the brita filter it was still 115, so i'll be getting a ro/di unit today for sure. I will also be getting a timer for my daylights. Still thinking about the skimmer, I have heard mixed things about them on a nano. I was thinking about getting a Coralife Super Skimmer Needle Wheel Protein Skimmer
 

olemiss

Member
The coralife super skimmer is a piece of junk. This was my first skimmer back in '03. They are very tempermental- constant adjustment is needed and they have a tendency to overflow for no apparent reason. I came home numerous times to a flooded floor thanks to this skimmer. If you are doing a HOB skimmer I'd recommend a reef octopus. My HOB knowledge is limited but the super skimmer is a waste of money.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by OleMiss
http:///forum/post/3257210
The coralife super skimmer is a piece of junk. This was my first skimmer back in '03. They are very tempermental- constant adjustment is needed and they have a tendency to overflow for no apparent reason. I came home numerous times to a flooded floor thanks to this skimmer. If you are doing a HOB skimmer I'd recommend a reef octopus. My HOB knowledge is limited but the super skimmer is a waste of money.

I agree on the flooding issue, but I figured out the why...There is a little nub just above the over flow tube, if the box gets clogged or blocked for any reason, water squirts out of it and goes on the floor. I used some air tubing because it was the right size, and run a short piece from that nub back to the over flow box…so any water that squirts out goes back into the tank.
I didn’t like the Bakpak2 at all, and Red Sea is garbage too. The octopus I don't know about, but I am tired of buying skimmers for now.
 

meowzer

Moderator
I'm not crazy about the bakpak and it's bubbles issues...BUT...when I clean the cup....PEEEYEWWWWW It STINKS, so I know it is doing a good job...I am also tired of buying skimmers Flower....
 
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