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jason490
Guest
This message is only about 2 weeks old now, thanks for your expert opinion, but I think its time for mommy to give you a bath
sharkboy13
Active Member
Originally Posted by jason490
I think its time for mommy to give you a bath
bad move bud....btw jason have u learned ur lesson about putting fish in two days after ur setup? (not meant to be sarcastic but jw)
I think its time for mommy to give you a bath
bad move bud....btw jason have u learned ur lesson about putting fish in two days after ur setup? (not meant to be sarcastic but jw)
fallnhorse
Member
Sounds like you need to learn the first rule of aquarium keeping. "the Nitrogen cycle".
monalisa
Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
You've had it two months, and you have quite an attitude! If you want a board where everyone will tell you anything is OK, you are right, it is not here. If you want to learn, then please listen and participate productively even if you disagree with others.
Thank you.
Lisa :happyfish
You've had it two months, and you have quite an attitude! If you want a board where everyone will tell you anything is OK, you are right, it is not here. If you want to learn, then please listen and participate productively even if you disagree with others.
Thank you.
Lisa :happyfish
acrylic51
Active Member
Originally Posted by jason490
This message is only about 2 weeks old now, thanks for your expert opinion, but I think its time for mommy to give you a bath
You just really show your maturity there :thinking: It seems you need to learn to use these boards for helpfull information which you obviously seem to be lacking......Just because a thread is weeks old, you'd be totally suprised if you'd open your mind and shut your lips and read.....I could pull up tons of old threads that are top notch info written by individuals that have more knowledge in their little toe......It's about time you wise up and try doing a little research before spouting off or trying to offend someone......Your worse than my 6 year old....she doesn't even act that immature!!!!!!!!
This message is only about 2 weeks old now, thanks for your expert opinion, but I think its time for mommy to give you a bath
You just really show your maturity there :thinking: It seems you need to learn to use these boards for helpfull information which you obviously seem to be lacking......Just because a thread is weeks old, you'd be totally suprised if you'd open your mind and shut your lips and read.....I could pull up tons of old threads that are top notch info written by individuals that have more knowledge in their little toe......It's about time you wise up and try doing a little research before spouting off or trying to offend someone......Your worse than my 6 year old....she doesn't even act that immature!!!!!!!!
acrylic51
Active Member
Again your wealth of knowlegde and your immature behavior speaking out the side of your neck is reflected here again by you.......
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/258087/some-products-and-advice-for-new-salt-hobbyist
ricks280
Member
acrylic51,
thank you for bringing this old post back , i was not aware of it ,after reading it i thought way bother with this mob. It is obvious that they seek help when in need and rub it on you when not required, this is a great board and a lot of knowledge is being shared by many hobbiest. Thank god that there are many of us that think like-wise and realise that there is good, bad and sometimes a better way of maintaining our fish, corals, etc, to the best method available. i am just paranoid about people seeking help when everything else fails and then rub it on your nose when they resurface from failure. Keep up the good work and communication lines open to make those that are willing to share and learn become better hobbiest.
:happyfish
thank you for bringing this old post back , i was not aware of it ,after reading it i thought way bother with this mob. It is obvious that they seek help when in need and rub it on you when not required, this is a great board and a lot of knowledge is being shared by many hobbiest. Thank god that there are many of us that think like-wise and realise that there is good, bad and sometimes a better way of maintaining our fish, corals, etc, to the best method available. i am just paranoid about people seeking help when everything else fails and then rub it on your nose when they resurface from failure. Keep up the good work and communication lines open to make those that are willing to share and learn become better hobbiest.
ophiura
Active Member
There will ALWAYS be people who come back short term and think they succeeded. There will always be people who do succeed, or say they do, because their ideas on success are skewed. There will always be people whose fish all live, but more based on luck than anything having to do with their ideas, experience, etc, etc, etc.
The people who fail rarely want to confess it. This gives people the false idea that actually, we are all wrong, and they are right.
One day, they will be selling all their equipment. They don't have the patience, and they will move on to the next cool hobby to come along. Just the way it works I'm afraid.
The people who fail rarely want to confess it. This gives people the false idea that actually, we are all wrong, and they are right.
One day, they will be selling all their equipment. They don't have the patience, and they will move on to the next cool hobby to come along. Just the way it works I'm afraid.
nick76
Active Member
Originally Posted by jason490
Watson,
I honestly believe that they would have made it had I not added so many. I still don't think it was overcrowded, but it probably was for startup for sure. Yea it was close to 400 I lost some other stuff too, but oh well.
I never have cycled a freshwater and always been fine, but saltwater is a different story for sure. I will always wait on the next new tank, this was one lesson learned.
Heres how it work, U have a 28 Gallon Tank. Thats roughly 30" by 12" I would say. With 8 Fish being at least an Inch or 2 each and needing more than a square foot each just to swim in place your out of room. Clowns Do not mix species. Maroon Clowns are nasty when they mature. Purple Tangs are also nasty when larger and they grow fast to over 8" I believe. Fish need to establish terriroties within the setting of your tank, once again with 8 fish and 1 piece of LR its going to be hard for them to do that. I only keep 5 small fish in my 55g beacuse they need room.
My advice is to pickup a book and do some reading on saltwater before you kill any more fish and waste any more money.
Watson,
I honestly believe that they would have made it had I not added so many. I still don't think it was overcrowded, but it probably was for startup for sure. Yea it was close to 400 I lost some other stuff too, but oh well.
I never have cycled a freshwater and always been fine, but saltwater is a different story for sure. I will always wait on the next new tank, this was one lesson learned.
Heres how it work, U have a 28 Gallon Tank. Thats roughly 30" by 12" I would say. With 8 Fish being at least an Inch or 2 each and needing more than a square foot each just to swim in place your out of room. Clowns Do not mix species. Maroon Clowns are nasty when they mature. Purple Tangs are also nasty when larger and they grow fast to over 8" I believe. Fish need to establish terriroties within the setting of your tank, once again with 8 fish and 1 piece of LR its going to be hard for them to do that. I only keep 5 small fish in my 55g beacuse they need room.
My advice is to pickup a book and do some reading on saltwater before you kill any more fish and waste any more money.
kmc
Member
I'm still confused. If I read the original post right he said they all died within fifteen minutes of turning out the lights. It sounds to me like there might have been some kind of electrical short or other catastrophic mechanical failure. Pump wired with the lights? I'm not saying that the fish were not overcrowded and that they wouldn't eventually have died anyway. But all of them at once? Can an ammonia spike happen that fast with that kind of devestation?
acrylic51
Active Member
Originally Posted by kmc
I'm still confused. If I read the original post right he said they all died within fifteen minutes of turning out the lights. It sounds to me like there might have been some kind of electrical short or other catastrophic mechanical failure. Pump wired with the lights? I'm not saying that the fish were not overcrowded and that they wouldn't eventually have died anyway. But all of them at once? Can an ammonia spike happen that fast with that kind of devestation?
Your correct the scenario doesn't make any sense and find it hard to believe all parameters will "Perfect"........Turning the lights out shouldn't have anything to do with it......Why or how would you wire the pumps to the lights? If the lights were off no short there?? :thinking: Pumps off? :thinking: tanks can go longer than 8-10 hours without power.......Overcrowded??? :thinking: far from perfect water conditions without power???
Highly doubt though it was a mechanical failure.....I had my UV quartz sleeve break on my new system and shut down the main pump which in turn the AquaController sensed it shutting down the skimmer pump, which in turn shut the chiller, etc.......And no losses, other than my time to replace a bad sleeve.........And I'm pretty sure I was getting a heavy current to the tank....
I'm still confused. If I read the original post right he said they all died within fifteen minutes of turning out the lights. It sounds to me like there might have been some kind of electrical short or other catastrophic mechanical failure. Pump wired with the lights? I'm not saying that the fish were not overcrowded and that they wouldn't eventually have died anyway. But all of them at once? Can an ammonia spike happen that fast with that kind of devestation?
Your correct the scenario doesn't make any sense and find it hard to believe all parameters will "Perfect"........Turning the lights out shouldn't have anything to do with it......Why or how would you wire the pumps to the lights? If the lights were off no short there?? :thinking: Pumps off? :thinking: tanks can go longer than 8-10 hours without power.......Overcrowded??? :thinking: far from perfect water conditions without power???
bang guy
Moderator
A few things can kill fish in mass that fast;
1 - A mature sand bed being severly disturbed.
2 - Gas exchange being cut off.
Both of these cause death rapidly by oxygen depletion and/or CO2 poisoning.
3 - Holothurin poisoning.
This is caused by a Sea Cucumber.
I'd rule out #1 and #3 in this case.
1 - A mature sand bed being severly disturbed.
2 - Gas exchange being cut off.
Both of these cause death rapidly by oxygen depletion and/or CO2 poisoning.
3 - Holothurin poisoning.
This is caused by a Sea Cucumber.
I'd rule out #1 and #3 in this case.
S
shark bait
Guest
Bang Guy you got a new pic, cool.
grumpygils
Active Member
Originally Posted by jason490
Hello Everyone,
I have a huge problem. I have a 28g bow front setup with about 2-3 inch live sand substrate, the carib sea type. I have one live rock with some polyps and other stuff on it. In the tank were 1 purple tang, 3 small clowns, 1 small maroon clown, 3 blue damsels, and a horseshoe crab. These fish were doing fine and eating for about 2 days so tonight I decided to turn the light off to give them some rest, within 15 minutes all were dead. Gasping like they didn't have air and laying on their sides. Almost immediate death.
I checked PH, nitrates, Nitrites, Ammonia, all were 0 and PH was 8.3
I am at a total loss here. Any ideas?
Jason
Hey Jason,
Well this got ugly didn't it. I would suggest you find some one or two people on here that you believe are knowledgeable and go with them. Any one who has set up more than say 10 reef tanks and they have run for over 2 years is a good start. They have probably been through the same misery you have, along with many other CSI cases. We all have war stories and many are far worse! If my wife only knew the bozonic things I have done! I found two guys on here that have probably saved me 2-3K. Sorry for the losses, but if you enjoy your tank and the hobby, it is only a speed bump!
Good luck!
Mc
P.S. Anybody who opportunistically rips a newbie is not responding in a way that is in line with the mission statement of this site and should go drink DTs.
Hello Everyone,
I have a huge problem. I have a 28g bow front setup with about 2-3 inch live sand substrate, the carib sea type. I have one live rock with some polyps and other stuff on it. In the tank were 1 purple tang, 3 small clowns, 1 small maroon clown, 3 blue damsels, and a horseshoe crab. These fish were doing fine and eating for about 2 days so tonight I decided to turn the light off to give them some rest, within 15 minutes all were dead. Gasping like they didn't have air and laying on their sides. Almost immediate death.
I checked PH, nitrates, Nitrites, Ammonia, all were 0 and PH was 8.3
I am at a total loss here. Any ideas?
Jason
Hey Jason,
Well this got ugly didn't it. I would suggest you find some one or two people on here that you believe are knowledgeable and go with them. Any one who has set up more than say 10 reef tanks and they have run for over 2 years is a good start. They have probably been through the same misery you have, along with many other CSI cases. We all have war stories and many are far worse! If my wife only knew the bozonic things I have done! I found two guys on here that have probably saved me 2-3K. Sorry for the losses, but if you enjoy your tank and the hobby, it is only a speed bump!
Good luck!
Mc
P.S. Anybody who opportunistically rips a newbie is not responding in a way that is in line with the mission statement of this site and should go drink DTs.
J
jason490
Guest
Thanks grumpygills,
Finally someone sees it how it is. Well come to find out, all the fish I got from the LFS had something wrong with them, so the LFS lost the whole shipment too. And here was the bad thing, I bought 400 bucks worth of fish, but they would only give me credit for 100.
Anyway, I since ordered from SWF.com and everything is doing fantastic. So I will continue to get stuff online not ever from an LFS again. Seems a lot of people in my area have no clue to what they are doing, tanks eat up with ich, etc.
Finally someone sees it how it is. Well come to find out, all the fish I got from the LFS had something wrong with them, so the LFS lost the whole shipment too. And here was the bad thing, I bought 400 bucks worth of fish, but they would only give me credit for 100.
Anyway, I since ordered from SWF.com and everything is doing fantastic. So I will continue to get stuff online not ever from an LFS again. Seems a lot of people in my area have no clue to what they are doing, tanks eat up with ich, etc.
kanicky
Member
Originally Posted by jason490
Thanks grumpygills,
Finally someone sees it how it is. Well come to find out, all the fish I got from the LFS had something wrong with them, so the LFS lost the whole shipment too. And here was the bad thing, I bought 400 bucks worth of fish, but they would only give me credit for 100.
Anyway, I since ordered from SWF.com and everything is doing fantastic. So I will continue to get stuff online not ever from an LFS again. Seems a lot of people in my area have no clue to what they are doing, tanks eat up with ich, etc.
However, you DO acknowledge that even IF the whole shipment was contaminated, you DID have way too many fish in that small tank...right?
Thanks grumpygills,
Finally someone sees it how it is. Well come to find out, all the fish I got from the LFS had something wrong with them, so the LFS lost the whole shipment too. And here was the bad thing, I bought 400 bucks worth of fish, but they would only give me credit for 100.
Anyway, I since ordered from SWF.com and everything is doing fantastic. So I will continue to get stuff online not ever from an LFS again. Seems a lot of people in my area have no clue to what they are doing, tanks eat up with ich, etc.
However, you DO acknowledge that even IF the whole shipment was contaminated, you DID have way too many fish in that small tank...right?
bmorecopper
Member
Hey Jason,
What a roller coaster of a thread. Sorry for your losses. I hope you have good luck with the hobby. As the time goes by it will become more enjoyable and hopefully a learning experience.
There a lot of really good suggestions on here as I am sure you have read. Two that really stand out are, read, read, read, read, till your eyeballs fall out. I was fortunate enough to have a very good LFS when I started. The first thing they did when I started asking about the hobby was to slap a copy of Martin Moes book about Marine aquariums in my hand. Then they told me to read it and then come back and they would help me get started. In my world, that was the absolute best advice anyone has ever given me.
The second piece of advice that seems to be fitting is no matter what, exercise patience. I think that can not be said enough. This is definitely not the hobby to rush into things.
These are only my humble opinions but they did prove to be the most valuable in the time I have been enjoying this hobby. Keep us posted of your progress and if you get a chance, post some pictures.
Best Wishes,
Copper
What a roller coaster of a thread. Sorry for your losses. I hope you have good luck with the hobby. As the time goes by it will become more enjoyable and hopefully a learning experience.
There a lot of really good suggestions on here as I am sure you have read. Two that really stand out are, read, read, read, read, till your eyeballs fall out. I was fortunate enough to have a very good LFS when I started. The first thing they did when I started asking about the hobby was to slap a copy of Martin Moes book about Marine aquariums in my hand. Then they told me to read it and then come back and they would help me get started. In my world, that was the absolute best advice anyone has ever given me.
The second piece of advice that seems to be fitting is no matter what, exercise patience. I think that can not be said enough. This is definitely not the hobby to rush into things.
These are only my humble opinions but they did prove to be the most valuable in the time I have been enjoying this hobby. Keep us posted of your progress and if you get a chance, post some pictures.
Best Wishes,
Copper
acrylic51
Active Member
Originally Posted by grumpygils
Hey Jason,
Well this got ugly didn't it. I would suggest you find some one or two people on here that you believe are knowledgeable and go with them. Any one who has set up more than say 10 reef tanks and they have run for over 2 years is a good start. They have probably been through the same misery you have, along with many other CSI cases. We all have war stories and many are far worse! If my wife only knew the bozonic things I have done! I found two guys on here that have probably saved me 2-3K. Sorry for the losses, but if you enjoy your tank and the hobby, it is only a speed bump!
Good luck!
Mc
P.S. Anybody who opportunistically rips a newbie is not responding in a way that is in line with the mission statement of this site and should go drink DTs.
Nobody started ripping on a newbie here.....Just go back and see how he acts very immaturely and attacks........And I'm assuming you read 1 of his other threads where he tries to state us "old heads" are stuck in old ways or should I link that thread again to prove why his was ripped as you called it.......