Another FOOD thread

earlybird

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Everyone on here seems to want to replicate nature as much as possible and I am in total agreement. However, why soak food in garlic? I'm no expert but I don't think garlic is readily available in the ocean. What's the deal?
Also, can one get away with a varying diet when making their own fish food? In other words, can I make my own fish food and feed only that at ALL feedings?
Finally, I see that some rotate vitamins? Isn't there a multi-vitamin? :notsure:
 

bang guy

Moderator
I have my own opinions, hopefully you'll get more.
I feed a blended mix of seafood from the grocery store (Scallops, Salmon, Shrimp, etc.) I also feed Cyclop-eeze. this has worked well for many years so I've never bothered to change my old habits.
I have never added Garlic. I can see it's use to get a sick fish to eat but I do not believe it has any medicinal qualities. If I ever see a publication that proves a benefit I would reconsider. So far everything I have read disproves the medicinal usefulness of Garlic.
I add a little Cod Liver Oil to the blended food but no vitamins. This seems to give better results with the breeding fish; more eggs, better hatch rates, larger larvae and better survival as well as better color. The problem is the oil slick created at every feeding. I have a rather large skimmer that seems to remove the oil slick quickly.
I don't add vitamins because I have yet to see anything published about the vitamin requirements of tropical marine fish and I fear overdosing. All I can do is hope that their food contains everything they need already.
 

thegrog

Active Member
I agree with Bang Guy 100%
I have a slightly different blend mix that I use, but essentially the same.
Garlic has no proven benefit. How many fish do you see in the wild eating garlic anyway?? Land plants belong on land.
 

earlybird

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My thoughts exactly. I've been doing a lot of searching on here and I came across a thread where someone was bashing another for feeding carrots and such because they aren't found in the ocean but then said he/she soaks his/her food in garlic.
 

nightstalk

Member
Sorry to bust in on your thread but what would be a good all around blended food that i could make? and how do i make it
 

mandarin w

Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
When I added garlic, man that skimmate smelled good
Like a pesto!!!!

She finally gives up the secret, I alway wondered what her edge was. "Cooking with Skimmate" Yummy
 

hatessushi

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I disaggree with others saying that garlic has no medicinal value with fish and that land food should stay on land.
My personal observation of my fish when they had lymphocystis was this.
1. My first 2 fish (maroon clown, coral beauty) had it after I bought them and QT'd them and I just used Garlic Xtreme. These were ar different times and both took nearly 2 weeks for the lympho to disappear. My diamond goby was the 3rd fish but never got it.
2. My last 2 fish (Kole Tang, Indian Trigger) had it. I gave them fresh food with fresh garlic juice right from the clove and they both cleared up the lymphocystis in 4 days each since they were QT'd after I bought them.
I am convinced that garlic is good for fish.
Based on the statement that land plants belong on land, makes little sense. For that matter then things that came from the sea should stay there. Okay take that logic further. You should not eat fish or sea plants because you are of the land and it is of the sea. But most people eat fish and many animals eat fish, why is that? Maybe because it's good for them nutritionally. So the statement "Land plants belong on land" is just an ignorant statement to make.
 

earlybird

Active Member
Originally Posted by HatesSushi
Based on the statement that land plants belong on land, makes little sense. For that matter then things that came from the sea should stay there. Okay take that logic further. You should not eat fish or sea plants because you are of the land and it is of the sea. But most people eat fish and many animals eat fish, why is that? Maybe because it's good for them nutritionally. So the statement "Land plants belong on land" is just an ignorant statement to make.
Excellent point but I'd still like to see the research if there is any. Is it healthy? I could probably feed a cow a burger but that just isn't right. Thanks for all who replied.
 

saltn00b

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the only reason people confuse garlic for having medicinal qualities is because supposedly the chemical in garlic stimulates them to feed. so a fish that is battling disease among other stressors may refuse to eat, but MIGHT eat, and hence stand a chance of surviving, if enticed with garlic.
i blend in a fresh clove or 2 when i make my food. oh and i also use carrots shreddings and broccoli.
 

saltn00b

Active Member
Originally Posted by earlybird
Hey saltn00b,
Has the sailfish bite picked up yet?
:thinking:
umm what?
 

reefkprz

Active Member
garlic is benificial in my opinion for the fact that fish seem to love the smell and are enticed to eat, (I use this when fishing as well and can attest that my bite ratio goes up when I use garlic) here is some research showing the value of garlic as a detoxifier, (not medicine), I dont use it to feed my fish unless I have a reluctant eater.
GARLIC
its native organosulfurs boost levels of enzymes in the body that detoxify potential carcinogens. Researchers at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City found that substances in garlic significantly slacken the development of prostate-cancer cells. In studies on mice, garlic slowed the growth of

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, skin and colon cancers. The herb also contains allyl sulfides, which increase levels of glutathione S-transferase, helping to excrete carcinogens.
Raw garlic is strong and should not be eaten indiscriminately as gastric upset might occur, keep this in mind when your feeding it to your fish.
here is some more stuff on the benifets of garlic for the body
GARLIC (allium sativum)
Common Names: Stinking Rose, Poor Man’s Treacle
Plant Parts: bulb
Active Compounds: Garlic contains more than 200 chemical compounds.
Some of its more important ones include: volatile oil with sulphur-containing compounds: (allicin, alliin, and ajoene), and enzymes: (allinase, peroxidase and myrosinase). Allicin is what gives garlic its antibiotic properties and is responsible for its strong odor. Ajoene contributes to the anticoagulant action of garlic. Garlic also contains citral, geraniol, linalool, Aphellandrene and B phellandrene. The allyl contained in garlic is also found in several members of the onion family and is considered a very valuable therapeutic compound.
Pharmacology: The allicins contained in garlic have a fibrinolytic activity which reduces platelet aggregation by inhibiting prostaglandin E2. Allivium sativum has also exerted some effect on glucose tolerance for both hypo-and hyperglycemia by reducing insulin require-ments to control blood sugar. The compounds contained in garlic have also demonstrated their ability to lower total serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels while elevating HDL levels. LDL synthesis is suppressed by garlic. Garlic allicins have also acted as a larvacide and bacteriostat, active against gram-positive or gram-negative microorganisms. In addition, the compounds can destroy certain fungi such as Candida albicans. Several other microbes are effected by garlic, including some viruses. Most researchers agree that the sulfur containing compounds of garlic, especially allicin, alliin, cy-croalliin, and dialllyldisulphide are the most biochemically active. In addition, certain unidentified substances of garlic will probably emerge as other therapeutic agents.
(Note: Before a bulb of garlic is crushed or chopped, it contains relatively few medically active compounds. Once it is cut, however, chemical reactions take place which create dozens of new compounds.)
Vitamin and Mineral Content: B-vitamins especially B-1, vitamin C, vitamin A, flavonoids, ascorbic acid, phosphorous, potassium, sulphur, selenium, calcium, magnesium, germanium, sodium, iron, manganese and trace iodine. Seventeen amino acids are found in garlic, including eight essential ones.
Character: antibiotic, antihistamine, anticoagulant, expectorant, antibacterial, antiparasitic, alterative, diaphoretic, diuretic , expectorant, stimulant, antispasmodic, promotes sweating, lowers blood sugar and blood cholesterol levels, lowers blood pressure Body Systems Targeted: respiratory, cardiovascular, digestive, and nervous systems.
Raw garlic is strong and should not be eaten indiscriminately as gastric upset might occur, keep this in mind when your feeding it to your fish.
 

earlybird

Active Member
Originally Posted by saltn00b
:thinking:
umm what?
I assumed since you are in Lauderdale that you were a fisherman and this year the sailfish bite has been slow but picks up after cold fronts.
reefkpr- Thanks for the research. Lots of good information and I commend you for putting it together.
 

reefkprz

Active Member
dont thank me thank the people who do the reseach and publish their findings, I just have an inate ability to sift through pages and pages of crap to find usefull info.
but your welcome
 

chipmaker

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I just htink Garlic is added to blad smelling prepared pelleted and flated foods and carried over to frozen just to add a smell or sense stimulant to induce feed. Its like the ploy used in the making of commercial fishing lures......why in heck would a fish be inclined to eat Ivory soap bars, or drawn tolicoroice or strawberry or cheese etc. Its all a mechanisim that intices one to follow their nose, and being a fish its also enticed to take a nibble. Enticement yes, beneficial as to a medicinal item or food value item .NO
Yep, us southerners use bars of Ivory soap to bait catfish baskets (traps) and it works very well......
 
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