imclownfish
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can you combine 2 different types of substrates...aragonite and live sand?
Another sandbed question...
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florida joe
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You can and IMO mix only sand of coral origin, such as coral sand, reef sand, crushed coral, or aragonite
ajroc31
Member
Stay away from crushed coral. It does not have lots of surface area, collects waste, very efficiently I might add, and does not really exist in nature. You might find crushed coral by the beach in ankle deep water after it is washed away by the waves, but other than that, you won't find it.
imclownfish
Member
thanks for the info once again
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Stay away from crushed coral. It does not have lots of surface area,
this is absolutely not true. CC has more surface area then sand
does not really exist in nature. You might find crushed coral by the beach in ankle deep water after it is washed away by the waves, but other than that, you won't find it.
can you please explain what you mean
this is absolutely not true. CC has more surface area then sand
does not really exist in nature. You might find crushed coral by the beach in ankle deep water after it is washed away by the waves, but other than that, you won't find it.
can you please explain what you mean
ajroc31
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3264706
this is absolutely not true. CC has more surface area then sand can you please explain what you mean
Well, if you take by volume, a glass of sand, and a glass of crush coral, it is ABSOLUTELY true that the glass with sand will have more surface area than the glass with crushed coral. As for the location of crushed coral, the debris really of shells, corals, fossils, it is washed away by the surf onto the beaches, where in comparison to the rich reef environment, there is minimal life.
http:///forum/post/3264706
this is absolutely not true. CC has more surface area then sand can you please explain what you mean
Well, if you take by volume, a glass of sand, and a glass of crush coral, it is ABSOLUTELY true that the glass with sand will have more surface area than the glass with crushed coral. As for the location of crushed coral, the debris really of shells, corals, fossils, it is washed away by the surf onto the beaches, where in comparison to the rich reef environment, there is minimal life.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by ajroc31
http:///forum/post/3264728
Well, if you take by volume, a glass of sand, and a glass of crush coral, it is ABSOLUTELY true that the glass with sand will have more surface area than the glass with crushed coral. As for the location of crushed coral, the debris really of shells, corals, fossils, it is washed away by the surf onto the beaches, where in comparison to the rich reef environment, there is minimal life.
If you look at a grain of sand and you look at an equal size piece of crushed coral under a microscope you will see that he CC is much more faceted then the sand, (more surface area) also when the sand particles come in contact with each other the overall area is diminished not so with cc
http:///forum/post/3264728
Well, if you take by volume, a glass of sand, and a glass of crush coral, it is ABSOLUTELY true that the glass with sand will have more surface area than the glass with crushed coral. As for the location of crushed coral, the debris really of shells, corals, fossils, it is washed away by the surf onto the beaches, where in comparison to the rich reef environment, there is minimal life.
If you look at a grain of sand and you look at an equal size piece of crushed coral under a microscope you will see that he CC is much more faceted then the sand, (more surface area) also when the sand particles come in contact with each other the overall area is diminished not so with cc
ajroc31
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3264784
If you look at a grain of sand and you look at an equal size piece of crushed coral under a microscope you will see that he CC is much more faceted then the sand, (more surface area) also when the sand particles come in contact with each other the overall area is diminished not so with cc
Btw its than not then. I don't think he will take a steamroller to pack in the sand tight enough to make that happen, but who knows. I will hitchhike here, concerning misinformation, keep telling people to put crushed coral in their tanks. You might be the only person that still thinks crushed coral is a good subtrate. They are unfriendly to sandsifting critters (would love to see a goby sifting through CC), could cause cuts, its a ditritus warehouse, and has less surface area total volume. If the original poster puts one grain of sand, and one piece of crushed coral, then yes, he will have more surface area from the CC.
http:///forum/post/3264784
If you look at a grain of sand and you look at an equal size piece of crushed coral under a microscope you will see that he CC is much more faceted then the sand, (more surface area) also when the sand particles come in contact with each other the overall area is diminished not so with cc
Btw its than not then. I don't think he will take a steamroller to pack in the sand tight enough to make that happen, but who knows. I will hitchhike here, concerning misinformation, keep telling people to put crushed coral in their tanks. You might be the only person that still thinks crushed coral is a good subtrate. They are unfriendly to sandsifting critters (would love to see a goby sifting through CC), could cause cuts, its a ditritus warehouse, and has less surface area total volume. If the original poster puts one grain of sand, and one piece of crushed coral, then yes, he will have more surface area from the CC.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by ajroc31
http:///forum/post/3264821
Btw its than not then. I don't think he will take a steamroller to pack in the sand tight enough to make that happen, but who knows. I will hitchhike here, concerning misinformation, keep telling people to put crushed coral in their tanks. You might be the only person that still thinks crushed coral is a good subtrate. They are unfriendly to sandsifting critters (would love to see a goby sifting through CC), could cause cuts, its a ditritus warehouse, and has less surface area total volume. If the original poster puts one grain of sand, and one piece of crushed coral, then yes, he will have more surface area from the CC.
BTW it is detritus not ditritus
. As a matter of fact there are at least two experts who believe CC is an excellent substrate media. Julian Sprung and J. Delbeek, you may have head of them. We cannot blame the CC for the hobbyist’s lack of good husbandry. The fact that CC will impact sooner than sand is because it is much more faceted.
They are unfriendly to sandsifting critters (would love to see a goby sifting through CC), could cause cuts,
Great point, except if the hobbyist research the subject they would find out that Convict Blennies in the family Pholidichthyidae will constantly dig burrows though sand or CC and can be used to keep the cc from impacting along with regular maintenance
BTW let me say in all honesty it is a pleasure to have this debate with you. The more people debate on the boards the more they are exposed to opposing views and IMO that is a good thing
http:///forum/post/3264821
Btw its than not then. I don't think he will take a steamroller to pack in the sand tight enough to make that happen, but who knows. I will hitchhike here, concerning misinformation, keep telling people to put crushed coral in their tanks. You might be the only person that still thinks crushed coral is a good subtrate. They are unfriendly to sandsifting critters (would love to see a goby sifting through CC), could cause cuts, its a ditritus warehouse, and has less surface area total volume. If the original poster puts one grain of sand, and one piece of crushed coral, then yes, he will have more surface area from the CC.
BTW it is detritus not ditritus
. As a matter of fact there are at least two experts who believe CC is an excellent substrate media. Julian Sprung and J. Delbeek, you may have head of them. We cannot blame the CC for the hobbyist’s lack of good husbandry. The fact that CC will impact sooner than sand is because it is much more faceted.
They are unfriendly to sandsifting critters (would love to see a goby sifting through CC), could cause cuts,
Great point, except if the hobbyist research the subject they would find out that Convict Blennies in the family Pholidichthyidae will constantly dig burrows though sand or CC and can be used to keep the cc from impacting along with regular maintenance
BTW let me say in all honesty it is a pleasure to have this debate with you. The more people debate on the boards the more they are exposed to opposing views and IMO that is a good thing
ajroc31
Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3264863
BTW it is detritus not ditritus
. As a matter of fact there are at least two experts who believe CC is an excellent substrate media. Julian Sprung and J. Delbeek, you may have head of them. We cannot blame the CC for the hobbyist’s lack of good husbandry. The fact that CC will impact sooner than sand is because it is much more faceted.Great point, except if the hobbyist research the subject they would find out that Convict Blennies in the family Pholidichthyidae will constantly dig burrows though sand or CC and can be used to keep the cc from impacting along with regular maintenance
BTW let me say in all honesty it is a pleasure to have this debate with you. The more people debate on the boards the more they are exposed to opposing views and IMO that is a good thing
Great, glad to hear it! Initially, it was a misunderstanding over the meaning of a word.
http:///forum/post/3264863
BTW it is detritus not ditritus
. As a matter of fact there are at least two experts who believe CC is an excellent substrate media. Julian Sprung and J. Delbeek, you may have head of them. We cannot blame the CC for the hobbyist’s lack of good husbandry. The fact that CC will impact sooner than sand is because it is much more faceted.Great point, except if the hobbyist research the subject they would find out that Convict Blennies in the family Pholidichthyidae will constantly dig burrows though sand or CC and can be used to keep the cc from impacting along with regular maintenance
BTW let me say in all honesty it is a pleasure to have this debate with you. The more people debate on the boards the more they are exposed to opposing views and IMO that is a good thing
Great, glad to hear it! Initially, it was a misunderstanding over the meaning of a word.
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3264863
BTW it is detritus not ditritus
OMG....All this time I thought it was detrius
....(I'm serious btw) Thanks Joe....
http:///forum/post/3264863
BTW it is detritus not ditritus
OMG....All this time I thought it was detrius
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3264882
OMG....All this time I thought it was detrius
....(I'm serious btw) Thanks Joe....
Lois i wish there was a smilly for "who gives a s--t but i love you all the same
Henry dear friend, funny I knew you would post.... was expecting a better visual from the master
God I hate this time of the month
http:///forum/post/3264882
OMG....All this time I thought it was detrius
Lois i wish there was a smilly for "who gives a s--t but i love you all the same
Henry dear friend, funny I knew you would post.... was expecting a better visual from the master
God I hate this time of the month
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3264904
If y'all start picking on typos/grammar on a daily basis I'm going to have to leave. O.O Every one of my posts would be followed by a correction post.
oh but no one does typos the way you do, be still my heart. Sax man i mean that in the biblical sense of course
http:///forum/post/3264904
If y'all start picking on typos/grammar on a daily basis I'm going to have to leave. O.O Every one of my posts would be followed by a correction post.
oh but no one does typos the way you do, be still my heart. Sax man i mean that in the biblical sense of course
imclownfish
Member
ill go with crushed coral, sounds better and since theyll be minimal fish and inverts anyway...it looks cooler too
ajroc31
Member
Originally Posted by imclownfish
http:///forum/post/3264944
ill go with crushed coral, sounds better and since theyll be minimal fish and inverts anyway...it looks cooler too
Florida Joe 1 Me 0
Don't you worry clownfish, there are great posts on how to remove CC here and all over the net.
http:///forum/post/3264944
ill go with crushed coral, sounds better and since theyll be minimal fish and inverts anyway...it looks cooler too
Florida Joe 1 Me 0
Don't you worry clownfish, there are great posts on how to remove CC here and all over the net.
cranberry
Active Member
Wait. What? I'm missing the topic here. What has the topic turned into? Whether one should use crushed coral substrate or sand?
A tank can be maintained nicely if it is a barebottom... so neither is necessary for biological function.
The most important question here is, what types of critters are you keeping and how deep is your substrate going to be.
A tank can be maintained nicely if it is a barebottom... so neither is necessary for biological function.
The most important question here is, what types of critters are you keeping and how deep is your substrate going to be.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Don't you worry clownfish, there are great posts on how to remove CC here and all over the net.
yes as well as much written info on the benefits of CC.
maintained nicely if it is a barebottom.
Renee need I comment, I don't think so
yes as well as much written info on the benefits of CC.
maintained nicely if it is a barebottom.
Renee need I comment, I don't think so