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flower
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Originally Posted by hwarnack http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398855
I got it today as well as the tank and thanks for the welcome. I'm diving in the saltwater.......
So you got your tank from someone else, already set up???
Tell us about your tank and equipment....what kind of lights, how much rock, power heads and tank size.....
Originally Posted by hwarnack http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398855
I got it today as well as the tank and thanks for the welcome. I'm diving in the saltwater.......
So you got your tank from someone else, already set up???
Tell us about your tank and equipment....what kind of lights, how much rock, power heads and tank size.....
flower
Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by hwarnack http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398860
just a basic starter tank....30 gallons, just sand and a sunken ship and no power heads....im really new at this
A sunken ship, and no power heads or rock??? Are the little fish in your picture even saltwater?
Okay...first lesson then:
The waves are the life of the ocean. Also the water current is the life of your saltwater fish tank, so you need a power head to create a water flow. You also need live rock, on the bottom with sand around it. You don't want to build on sand..it shifts crushing critters and could break the tank. Live rock is a natural filter and it gives a place for the good bacteria to grow.
My advice is for you to give the fish away to the pet store, and you begin your tank from step one. What kind of filtration came with the tank?
Originally Posted by hwarnack http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398860
just a basic starter tank....30 gallons, just sand and a sunken ship and no power heads....im really new at this
A sunken ship, and no power heads or rock??? Are the little fish in your picture even saltwater?
Okay...first lesson then:
The waves are the life of the ocean. Also the water current is the life of your saltwater fish tank, so you need a power head to create a water flow. You also need live rock, on the bottom with sand around it. You don't want to build on sand..it shifts crushing critters and could break the tank. Live rock is a natural filter and it gives a place for the good bacteria to grow.
My advice is for you to give the fish away to the pet store, and you begin your tank from step one. What kind of filtration came with the tank?
flower
Well-Known Member
Here is a helpful list of what you need to run a saltwater tank of any size.
Equipment list:
Saltwater master test kits (cheaper than each individually)
GFCI outlets are highly recommended for safety
Power strips and timers
Tank
RO water (Reverse Osmoses) your own unit, or purchase it by the jug from the grocery store
Salt mix
Lights
heater
Sand (live aragonite is best)
Live rock
Power heads
Filter your choice (sump, canister, top flow penguin type,wet/dry)
Refractometer or hydrometer
Thermometer (plastic sticky is what I use)
Utility pump and hose to fit from floor to the top of the tank.
A large plastic tub or garbage can mark it FISH ONLY
Fish net
Skimmer (not immediately but within 6 months)
Mag float to clean the glass
Equipment list:
Saltwater master test kits (cheaper than each individually)
GFCI outlets are highly recommended for safety
Power strips and timers
Tank
RO water (Reverse Osmoses) your own unit, or purchase it by the jug from the grocery store
Salt mix
Lights
heater
Sand (live aragonite is best)
Live rock
Power heads
Filter your choice (sump, canister, top flow penguin type,wet/dry)
Refractometer or hydrometer
Thermometer (plastic sticky is what I use)
Utility pump and hose to fit from floor to the top of the tank.
A large plastic tub or garbage can mark it FISH ONLY
Fish net
Skimmer (not immediately but within 6 months)
Mag float to clean the glass
hwarnack
New Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398865
A sunken ship, and no power heads or rock??? Are the little fish in your picture even saltwater?
Okay...first lesson then:
The waves are the life of the ocean. Also the water current is the life of your saltwater fish tank, so you need a power head to create a water flow. You also need live rock, on the bottom with sand around it. You don't want to build on sand..it shifts crushing critters and could break the tank. Live rock is a natural filter and it gives a place for the good bacteria to grow.
My advice is for you to give the fish away to the pet store, and you begin your tank from step one. What kind of filtration came with the tank?
hes the only thing in the tank cause he eats everything i was told and the filtration is a penguin bio wheel 200...i just got this fish and the tank today and i plan on going to the fish store tomorrow and buying alot of stuff but i live in japan and dont speak japanese so im fighting an uphill battle from the start....but such is life....first things i should buy is?
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398865
A sunken ship, and no power heads or rock??? Are the little fish in your picture even saltwater?
Okay...first lesson then:
The waves are the life of the ocean. Also the water current is the life of your saltwater fish tank, so you need a power head to create a water flow. You also need live rock, on the bottom with sand around it. You don't want to build on sand..it shifts crushing critters and could break the tank. Live rock is a natural filter and it gives a place for the good bacteria to grow.
My advice is for you to give the fish away to the pet store, and you begin your tank from step one. What kind of filtration came with the tank?
hes the only thing in the tank cause he eats everything i was told and the filtration is a penguin bio wheel 200...i just got this fish and the tank today and i plan on going to the fish store tomorrow and buying alot of stuff but i live in japan and dont speak japanese so im fighting an uphill battle from the start....but such is life....first things i should buy is?
flower
Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by hwarnack http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398872
hes the only thing in the tank cause he eats everything i was told and the filtration is a penguin bio wheel 200...i just got this fish and the tank today and i plan on going to the fish store tomorrow and buying alot of stuff but i live in japan and dont speak japanese so im fighting an uphill battle from the start....but such is life....first things i should buy is?
Okay...Japan huh...WOW
Give the fish away....call ahead and ask if the pet store will take them off your hands, you don't want just those mean things in the tank. SWF have such bright awesome color and they are black striped. Whatever critter you have first dictates what you fish you can add later. These don't sound like good choices. You really are not ready for fish yet. The tank you got is inefficient and you need to set up your equipment correctly before you bother with fish.
Go through the list I posted and check off what you have already. Everything on the list is a needed item just to start. The skimmer can wait a little while. A 30g saltwater tank is a very small tank, we call them nanos. You can get live rock or just dry rock, both will add good bacteria to a new tank. Make sure you get rock for saltwater tanks, because freshwater rock has stuff that can poison a saltwater tank. Go to the top of the new hobbyist section and read through the 101 tips. That should help you understand more of what you are doing. Also a good saltwater aquarium book will help a great deal.
I need to get off the computer for a bit, but I gave you enough to occupy your mind for now.....Stick around, there are lots of folks to help you here and we are glad to have you on the site.
If you want corals you will have to purchase expensive lights. So a reef is a little more expensive than keeping fish only, but not by very much.
Originally Posted by hwarnack http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398872
hes the only thing in the tank cause he eats everything i was told and the filtration is a penguin bio wheel 200...i just got this fish and the tank today and i plan on going to the fish store tomorrow and buying alot of stuff but i live in japan and dont speak japanese so im fighting an uphill battle from the start....but such is life....first things i should buy is?
Okay...Japan huh...WOW
Give the fish away....call ahead and ask if the pet store will take them off your hands, you don't want just those mean things in the tank. SWF have such bright awesome color and they are black striped. Whatever critter you have first dictates what you fish you can add later. These don't sound like good choices. You really are not ready for fish yet. The tank you got is inefficient and you need to set up your equipment correctly before you bother with fish.
Go through the list I posted and check off what you have already. Everything on the list is a needed item just to start. The skimmer can wait a little while. A 30g saltwater tank is a very small tank, we call them nanos. You can get live rock or just dry rock, both will add good bacteria to a new tank. Make sure you get rock for saltwater tanks, because freshwater rock has stuff that can poison a saltwater tank. Go to the top of the new hobbyist section and read through the 101 tips. That should help you understand more of what you are doing. Also a good saltwater aquarium book will help a great deal.
I need to get off the computer for a bit, but I gave you enough to occupy your mind for now.....Stick around, there are lots of folks to help you here and we are glad to have you on the site.
If you want corals you will have to purchase expensive lights. So a reef is a little more expensive than keeping fish only, but not by very much.
hwarnack
New Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398878
Okay...Japan huh...WOW
Give the fish away....call ahead and ask if the pet store will take them off your hands, you don't want just those mean things in the tank. SWF have such bright awesome color and they are black striped. Whatever critter you have first dictates what you fish you can add later. These don't sound like good choices. You really are not ready for fish yet. The tank you got is inefficient and you need to set up your equipment correctly before you bother with fish.
Go through the list I posted and check off what you have already. Everything on the list is a needed item just to start. The skimmer can wait a little while. A 30g saltwater tank is a very small tank, we call them nanos. You can get live rock or just dry rock, both will add good bacteria to a new tank. Make sure you get rock for saltwater tanks, because freshwater rock has stuff that can poison a saltwater tank. Go to the top of the new hobbyist section and read through the 101 tips. That should help you understand more of what you are doing. Also a good saltwater aquarium book will help a great deal.
I need to get off the computer for a bit, but I gave you enough to occupy your mind for now.....Stick around, there are lots of folks to help you here and we are glad to have you on the site.
If you want corals you will have to purchase expensive lights. So a reef is a little more expensive than keeping fish only, but not by very much.
i thank you again for all the info and let me say its only one big fish about the size of my hand and i have big hands...lol i copy and pasted all this info and put it in my saltwater file on my computer and in a matter of a few hours its a big file already...i will read through all the info sections and more on this site and this will be the one i log into everyday so thank you again and i will be back on tomorrow...
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3398878
Okay...Japan huh...WOW
Give the fish away....call ahead and ask if the pet store will take them off your hands, you don't want just those mean things in the tank. SWF have such bright awesome color and they are black striped. Whatever critter you have first dictates what you fish you can add later. These don't sound like good choices. You really are not ready for fish yet. The tank you got is inefficient and you need to set up your equipment correctly before you bother with fish.
Go through the list I posted and check off what you have already. Everything on the list is a needed item just to start. The skimmer can wait a little while. A 30g saltwater tank is a very small tank, we call them nanos. You can get live rock or just dry rock, both will add good bacteria to a new tank. Make sure you get rock for saltwater tanks, because freshwater rock has stuff that can poison a saltwater tank. Go to the top of the new hobbyist section and read through the 101 tips. That should help you understand more of what you are doing. Also a good saltwater aquarium book will help a great deal.
I need to get off the computer for a bit, but I gave you enough to occupy your mind for now.....Stick around, there are lots of folks to help you here and we are glad to have you on the site.
If you want corals you will have to purchase expensive lights. So a reef is a little more expensive than keeping fish only, but not by very much.
i thank you again for all the info and let me say its only one big fish about the size of my hand and i have big hands...lol i copy and pasted all this info and put it in my saltwater file on my computer and in a matter of a few hours its a big file already...i will read through all the info sections and more on this site and this will be the one i log into everyday so thank you again and i will be back on tomorrow...
aquaknight
Active Member
It's a Sixline Soapfish -- Grammistes sexlineatus, a relative in the Grouper family. The fact this fish still alive has a lot to do with the latter....
I really would suggest taking the fish somewhere and starting from zero like mentioned earlier. I think just from the trip, the water would oxygenate up some from the splashing
... There really needs to be some type of flow/current in the tank, and old filter with nothing inside, an air pump/bubbler with the air nose in the tank, something....
I really would suggest taking the fish somewhere and starting from zero like mentioned earlier. I think just from the trip, the water would oxygenate up some from the splashing
hwarnack
New Member
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3399119
It's a Sixline Soapfish -- Grammistes sexlineatus, a relative in the Grouper family. The fact this fish still alive has a lot to do with the latter....
I really would suggest taking the fish somewhere and starting from zero like mentioned earlier. I think just from the trip, the water would oxygenate up some from the splashing
... There really needs to be some type of flow/current in the tank, and old filter with nothing inside, an air pump/bubbler with the air nose in the tank, something....
I appreciate the info on the species for sure and he does need a better/bigger home for sure. I went to my local saltwater store here and the language barrier was to much and the only person that spoke English had no idea what I was trying to say about giving them the fish so he didn't speak English that well at all but nor do I speak Japanese that well. I'm going to take a Japanese buddy and he can explain it better but if they dont take the fish then I will find someone here on base with a bigger tank. He's 5 years old I was told from the person I get the setup from and although I didnt see a lifespan on them while reading up I'm sure he will live longer than that but I could be wrong. I will start fresh with no fish in the tank when I find this big boy a home and I thank you's for all the info... Here's a pic of the tank
I know its pathetic but I'm determined to get it right...thanks again
Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3399119
It's a Sixline Soapfish -- Grammistes sexlineatus, a relative in the Grouper family. The fact this fish still alive has a lot to do with the latter....
I really would suggest taking the fish somewhere and starting from zero like mentioned earlier. I think just from the trip, the water would oxygenate up some from the splashing
I appreciate the info on the species for sure and he does need a better/bigger home for sure. I went to my local saltwater store here and the language barrier was to much and the only person that spoke English had no idea what I was trying to say about giving them the fish so he didn't speak English that well at all but nor do I speak Japanese that well. I'm going to take a Japanese buddy and he can explain it better but if they dont take the fish then I will find someone here on base with a bigger tank. He's 5 years old I was told from the person I get the setup from and although I didnt see a lifespan on them while reading up I'm sure he will live longer than that but I could be wrong. I will start fresh with no fish in the tank when I find this big boy a home and I thank you's for all the info... Here's a pic of the tank
I know its pathetic but I'm determined to get it right...thanks again
flower
Well-Known Member
Hi, remove the air stones and just have the air line running (big bubbles), small bubbles are bad for saltwater fish, something about air getting trapped in the gills. The air line is just a quick fix, you still need a power head ASAP. Let us know when your ready to foreward and keep us posted. Good luck.
S
siptang
Guest
Welcome to the site! Everything Flower said is right to the dot, in this hobby, patience is the key and I think it pays off in the end.
Also consider some live rock for your tank for some natural filtration help and hide outs for your future fish.
Flower- I did not know about small bubbles are bad. I need to fix my return pump nozzle asap then.. I had small air bubbles for long time now...
Also consider some live rock for your tank for some natural filtration help and hide outs for your future fish.
Flower- I did not know about small bubbles are bad. I need to fix my return pump nozzle asap then.. I had small air bubbles for long time now...
S
saxman
Guest
The fish looks like some kind of sweetlips (Plectorhinchus sp.), and since you're in Japan, depending on where it was collected, it may be a temperate-water species, which means that it should be kept at cooler temps (70*F or less). The fact that it's eating is good, but if the fish is indeed a sweetlips, they get large and lose their juvie markings to become rather drab-looking adults.
You mentioned that the fish eats everything...does that include other fish? If so, I COULD be some kind of grouper/seabass.
I do agree that you should return it if you can, get some LR into the tank, and do some research on the type of fish you'd like to keep...
You mentioned that the fish eats everything...does that include other fish? If so, I COULD be some kind of grouper/seabass.
I do agree that you should return it if you can, get some LR into the tank, and do some research on the type of fish you'd like to keep...
aquaknight
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3399208
The fish looks like some kind of sweetlips (Plectorhinchus sp.), and since you're in Japan, depending on where it was collected, it may be a temperate-water species, which means that it should be kept at cooler temps (70*F or less). The fact that it's eating is good, but if the fish is indeed a sweetlips, they get large and lose their juvie markings to become rather drab-looking adults.
You mentioned that the fish eats everything...does that include other fish? If so, I COULD be some kind of grouper/seabass.
I do agree that you should return it if you can, get some LR into the tank, and do some research on the type of fish you'd like to keep...
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Originally Posted by saxman http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3399208
The fish looks like some kind of sweetlips (Plectorhinchus sp.), and since you're in Japan, depending on where it was collected, it may be a temperate-water species, which means that it should be kept at cooler temps (70*F or less). The fact that it's eating is good, but if the fish is indeed a sweetlips, they get large and lose their juvie markings to become rather drab-looking adults.
You mentioned that the fish eats everything...does that include other fish? If so, I COULD be some kind of grouper/seabass.
I do agree that you should return it if you can, get some LR into the tank, and do some research on the type of fish you'd like to keep...
Miss my post much?
aquaknight
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Siptang http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3399195
Flower- I did not know about small bubbles are bad. I need to fix my return pump nozzle asap then.. I had small air bubbles for long time now...
They aren't. Except for the obvious fish that should be exposed to air anyway, puffers, anglers/frogfish, I doubt seriously there is any risk. On the reefs in the wild,.there's probably more micro bubbles then most people's tank. Second I am extremely curious what the difference between a micro bubble on gills does, that when the fish is out of the water, like most fish are eventually.
Originally Posted by Siptang http:///forum/thread/386758/any-help#post_3399195
Flower- I did not know about small bubbles are bad. I need to fix my return pump nozzle asap then.. I had small air bubbles for long time now...
They aren't. Except for the obvious fish that should be exposed to air anyway, puffers, anglers/frogfish, I doubt seriously there is any risk. On the reefs in the wild,.there's probably more micro bubbles then most people's tank. Second I am extremely curious what the difference between a micro bubble on gills does, that when the fish is out of the water, like most fish are eventually.