Originally Posted by
1journeyman
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So you've never been to Iraq but know enough about it to come to the conclusion that we should never have been there. The topic doesn't come up because I bring it up, rather because many here continue to propagate lies regarding our involvement there.
You don't believe that history books and research can be trusted, yet apparently your father had an infallible and completely objective memory.
Reread that sentence. You managed to write one of the best paradoxical statements I've read in quite a while. History has shown you can't trust what is written about history?
Bionic, what's your end game here. Are you trying to argue Socialism has worked in the past but historians had covered it up? Are you subtly arguing that the Constitution and early papers written by the founding fathers are not accurate.
Please explain where I've gone wrong. You say you base your knowledge on life experience. I'd politely say even the most traveled and oldest person alive on this planet cannot hope to live long enough in enough places to get a grasp of what is going on in the world. If we only believe what we personally see and feel we're about to enter into a truly dark age.
journey, get off your high horse. You have this 'I'm above all you war haters' attitude everytime you post. You think we should kiss your rear because you're over there sucking our tax dollars out of our pockets. What exactly is your agenda in Iraq? Is this YOUR mark in history? "I went to Iraq and witnessed Democracy at its infancy." WHO CARES. I've told you time nd time again, the US isn't the savior of the world. It isn't our job to 'democratize' every nation on this planet. And please don't give me your "we're here fighting terroism" song and dance. That one's been dragged around WAY too long.
My father gave me first-hand accounts of WW2. From him shooting down Jap Zeros at Pearl Harbor, to his destroyer getting sunk by a Jap sub. The only experience you have about WW2 is what you read in books. Sorry, but the printed word isn't gospel. That's the point I'm trying to make.
Where do you get the Socialism statement? I never said that. I said YOU think Obama is going to change this country into a socialist state. I also never said the Constitution wasn't accurate. I stated that most what is written in the Constitution can be up for interpretation. It's was written with a cross between Old English and today's legal jargon. Some phrases can be intrepreted different depending on how you break the sentences down. Why do you think there's always arguments about what the Founding Fathers meant by the 2nd Amendment?
The problem with you is you have this tunnel vision about politics and world events. You rarely get the overall picture. You have this narrow focus on what you perceive Democracy is, and what is the 'perfect government'. When I say personal experiences, I mean how current events affect my personal life - my health, my welfare, my standard of living. You don't have to travel the world to gain this knowledge.
I was born when Eisenhower was president. Since that time, I've seen how each president has affected my personal life. When I was growing up, you didn't care about politics. All you cared about was when the next football game was, or whether your parents were going to get you that Schwinn Stingray with the Sissy Bar on the back. I remember seeing all the people cry when Kennedy was shot. I was still at the age that it didn't affect me personally, so I didn't comprehend the ramifications and the importance of the event. I vividly remember Johnson and Nixon, since that was the era of Vietnam. I was one of those college protestors for that war as well. Probably why I don't believe in the Iraq conflict. Too many similarities. You want to rail about a bad president? Try living through the Carter Years - 15% - 18% interest rates, the illustrious 'gas lines'... Yea, I'd take Dubya any day over Carter. I don't have to say what I think about Reagan and Clinton. You book experts can enlighten me on those presidencies. That's the main problem with knowing 'book facts'. You can read all the history books, regurgitate all the facts, and make yourself look like one smart political expert. But it doesn't change what happened in real life. I don't need to know what year, month, day, hour, minute, and second a specific event happened in history. I really don't care if it didn't affect me personally. Because all it is is history. And history is the past you have no way of changing now. The only people you impress by spewing historical facts is yourself, and the other 'book historians' who like to agree with you.
