Are these tangs safe together?

[mikeyjer]

To the original poster!!! Yes I keep tangs in a 55!!! It's a dangerous thing to do when you do multiple tangs in a 55 though I would have to warn you. You must have a backup tank just in case anything happens. I try them in different tanks to see who gets along with who until I find the proper match. Like it was mentioned already, you have to be ready to upgrade down the road if you want to keep these tangs....Is this tank even cycled?? IF you have ich issue, here's what I do to fix that problem. It works every time for me, I feed my tangs Formula 2 which it has added garlic. I have mentioned this story many times about my Naso Tang that almost died. I brought him back alive about 3 years ago when he was skin and bones and laying on his side. I feed him 4+ times per day, I would mush up the food and feed it directly to his mouth since he was laying on his side and couldn't swim well at all. Within the 1st day he show me improvement so I kept doing the samething over and over, day after day until he eats on his own. Just in 1 week, he was swimming around all happy and VERY fat!!! During this period I only feed formula 2 and nothing else. Make sure you do water changes cause that's a lot of feedings...2nd week, he was just like his normal self except his coloring isn't looking like it should. I started feeding him Nori again, his color came back right away, but to be on the safe side, I feed Nori in the morning and Formula 2 at night afterwards. He now eats off my hand and isn't afraid of me one bit, he used to be....Now on his 3rd year with me, he's one FAT happy fish.....Note: He was raised in a 55!!! I have NOT lost any fish for nearly 3 years doing formula 2. Except my recent loss of my small Green Chromis, I think I have the b-day gift to blame, Coral Banded Shrimp (HUGE), she was raised in my friend's tank......

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by nathanrudy9
that all may be true ...prob is..but i have a 1 in b.h. tang coming to my door at 9 a.m. i can put it in the 10 gal. which i guess is a regular 10 gal and he'll be alone...theres about 5lb of lr in the 10 gal. or he can be a bit roomier in the 55...what do u suggest he must be put in water and i dont know anyone who would want a 1 in b.h tang most of the ppl i know who have tanks in thier offices have more like a 400+ gal tank. with much bigger fish.
thanks
N.R.
Nathan, you've been told repeatedly what to do and to slow down. Why post here if you've already ordered the fish???
Good luck with your tank. You've stated you don't care about money and that you don't have time to properly research reef keeping on other threads. There's not much more any of us here can do for you.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
To the original poster!!! Yes I keep tangs in a 55!!! It's a dangerous thing to do when you do multiple tangs in a 55 though I would have to warn you. You must have a backup tank just in case anything happens. I try them in different tanks to see who gets along with who until I find the proper match. Like it was mentioned already, you have to be ready to upgrade down the road if you want to keep these tangs....Is this tank even cycled?? IF you have ich issue, here's what I do to fix that problem. It works every time for me, I feed my tangs Formula 2 which it has added garlic. I have mentioned this story many times about my Naso Tang that almost died. I brought him back alive about 3 years ago when he was skin and bones and laying on his side. I feed him 4+ times per day, I would mush up the food and feed it directly to his mouth since he was laying on his side and couldn't swim well at all. Within the 1st day he show me improvement so I kept doing the samething over and over, day after day until he eats on his own. Just in 1 week, he was swimming around all happy and VERY fat!!! During this period I only feed formula 2 and nothing else. Make sure you do water changes cause that's a lot of feedings...2nd week, he was just like his normal self except his coloring isn't looking like it should. I started feeding him Nori again, his color came back right away, but to be on the safe side, I feed Nori in the morning and Formula 2 at night afterwards. He now eats off my hand and isn't afraid of me one bit, he used to be....Now on his 3rd year with me, he's one FAT happy fish.....Note: He was raised in a 55!!! I have NOT lost any fish for nearly 3 years doing formula 2. Except my recent loss of my small Green Chromis, I think I have the b-day gift to blame, Coral Banded Shrimp (HUGE), she was raised in my friend's tank......
Garlic does not cure ich. It may boost a fish's immune system. The ich dropping off of your tang was part of the natural life cycle of the parasite.

 

[nathanrudy9]

thats right i dont but you do and if you want these fish to live better man up and answer i would think otherwise i might do something wrong and they moight suffer and die a terrible slow death and you wouldnt want that on your head.. pal ... as far as my expert he says its fine to have them in the same tank...im gonna go with the guy that owns 25 lfs's and has bean doing this for 40 years ...but please netertain me with your thoughts its always appreciated.
N.R.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by nathanrudy
man up and answer...
Because if one of us answer's for the 4th or 5th time you might listen? You've been told half a dozn times on this thread alone the answer to your question. Maybe you should "man up" and listen?
Is this the same expert that has allowed you to dump thousands of dollars into a unsuccessful reef tank? I'm beginning to see why he is so successful...
Your "expert" is making money off of you with every purchase. All anyone around here is getting out of trying to help you is grief.
You've been told, on multiple threads, for the past three weeks the same thing. Yet you keep posting the same questions looking for the answer that best suits you.
If your "expert" recommends 2 fish that can exceed 10 inches in a 55 he's an idiot. For those two fish to be Tangs (or any other grazer) is beyond idiocy. Is this guy the former Iraqi Information Minister? I ask because only someone that far out of touch with reality could possibly be telling you these things.
Nathan, at some point you're going to have to evaluate who stands to gain the most out of your tank continuing to be the graveyard it has become. The friendly folks on a free message board, or the "expert" making thousands off of your epic failures.
You can either start listening; or you can keep asking questions that you have no intention of listening too, insulting the members here, and keep killing "God's creatures" (your words from an earlier post) that you profess to love and wish the best for....
This communiy is here to help you and new aquarists like you. It's up to you to properly utilize it.

 

[renogaw]

you're more patient than i my friend...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by renogaw
you're more patient than i my friend...
I do it for the fsh... (and the kids of course)
I figured I'd give it one more shot.

 

[renogaw]

yea, i'm worried for his daughter as well...

 

[nathanrudy9]

theyre in a 55 for now....obviously when they get a bit bigger like 4 in or around that i would either trade them in for other small fish or buy a bigger tank...the question was for now...for the next year if 2 bh tangs can live in a 55 together and night fight i figured since their the same species they'd get along...so for 6 months to a year...can they stay in the 55 ...whatver dont answer its fine im sure he knows what hes doing...and the only fish that died was the fish i bought from swf.com and not from the lfs....regardless my daughter is very happy...and shes loves to watch them all day after school and whne i read to her before bedtime.
N.R.

 

[nathanrudy9]

N.r.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by nathanrudy9
..the question was for now...for the next year if 2 bh tangs can live in a 55 together and night fight ...
N.R.
Tangs are territorial. They often fight with other Tangs (and other fish in general) that have the same body shape.
So, no, in most situations placing two tangs of the same species in a small aquarium will not work.

 

[nathanrudy9]

thanks for the info that was all i wanted to know.
N.R.

 

[nathanrudy9]

she loves bh tangs and keeping them alive and happy is my objective so my daughter can be happy i learned alot from all your post some i listen to and some i dont but most have bean extremely inciteful.
thanks again fo rthe help and will let you know when any issues come up..but im not going anywhere so if any of you are offended by my posts ignore them.
N.R.

 

[mikeyjer]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Garlic does not cure ich. It may boost a fish's immune system. The ich dropping off of your tang was part of the natural life cycle of the parasite.
Journeyman, I believe we've been through this once already over a year or so ago......lol.....It does boost the immune system yes. The natural life cycle of ich is to fall off the fish to make more of itself to re-attach to fish again. On some sites I've read that garlic puts some sort of block or does something to the parasite itself to the point it can not re-attach to the fish and or change the genetics of the parasite and cause it to die out, can't remember which or maybe both. I may have to look for that site again, it's been awhile since I've read it.....Ich have NOT come back since the garlic treatment though!!! I'm going on my fourth year in saltwater and I've tried all kinds of stuff like medication, etc etc. This is the method I prefer. The stuffs I've been doing is by trial and error, it's not done by reading, it's actually done by trying it out on my own on multiple fish. It's been past two years since my Naso's gotten any ich symptoms period. I'll back up my story any day and back up my garlic treatment any day.....

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
Journeyman, I believe we've been through this once already over a year or so ago......lol.....It does boost the immune system yes. The natural life cycle of ich is to fall off the fish to make more of itself to re-attach to fish again. On some sites I've read that garlic puts some sort of block or does something to the parasite itself to the point it can not re-attach to the fish and or change the genetics of the parasite and cause it to die out, can't remember which or maybe both. I may have to look for that site again, it's been awhile since I've read it.....Ich have NOT come back since the garlic treatment though!!! I'm going on my fourth year in saltwater and I've tried all kinds of stuff like medication, etc etc. This is the method I prefer. The stuffs I've been doing is by trial and error, it's not done by reading, it's actually done by trying it out on my own on multiple fish. It's been past two years since my Naso's gotten any ich symptoms period. I'll back up my story any day and back up my garlic treatment any day.....
Garlic does not change anything about the ich parasite, but allicin which is the active ingredient in garlic is showing more and more results. It has been shown for many years to help keep fleas off of animals and help the human body. It has been shown to boost the immune system of fish as well. We do not have scientific evidence of the results of garlic in marine systems yet but I am sure that it wont be long. We have many people sharing experiences. I do not, for a second, believe that it will kill ich or any other parasite, but it does show promise for helping with other infections. Do a search. You will find all kinds of interesting information

 

[nigerbang]

How in holy hell does every tang thread end up as an ich piss fight? Jeeez, if you want to nuke a tank with chemicals, go for it, if you want to use garlic..do it, same for copper and hypo.

 

[nathanrudy9]

that what happens south of heaven...its full of ich...define nuke a tank with chemicals...

 

[sepulatian]

Originally Posted by NigerBang
How in holy hell does every tang thread end up as an ich piss fight? Jeeez, if you want to nuke a tank with chemicals, go for it, if you want to use garlic..do it, same for copper and hypo.
Because where there are tangs there is also likely ich. People ask questions because they want answers, not to be told to just "go for it" no mater what the "it" is.

 

[nigerbang]

85% of time when people are told the right way(qt and if iched hypo) they don't listen.. The argue to the end that kick-ich and all that snake oil jazz works..sorry for the rant all you guys (and gals) know where I stand on tangs and ich..seems everyday anymore all I see are people asking what to do then disagree with experienced keepers on what to do.. And that the advice they asked for is wrong.. At any rate I got another 100lbs of LR today..outs me up to 330 in a 180!! With 2 tangs!

 

[al mc]

Originally Posted by Mikeyjer
On some sites I've read that garlic puts some sort of block or does something to the parasite itself to the point it can not re-attach to the fish and or change the genetics of the parasite and cause it to die out, can't remember which or maybe both. I may have to look for that site again, it's been awhile since I've read it..... since the garlic treatment though!!!

Mikeyjer...I have been doing much reading on the benefits of garlic. Would you mind posting the site/article that you described or send it to me in a PM.
Thanks