Big No No!!!!!!!!(help Bang)

dr reef

dr reef

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Since Bang is all tied up with peoples email I will just make the thred and hope it stays on top so people can see. Help me Bang!!!!!! I read in peoples thred almost every day on new corals and fish people get from the ocean. People say "can you ID this, I got it from the ocean." That is a BIG NO NO. You can't just take things from the ocean. You can get a HUGE fine and possible jail time. IT IS ILLEAGAL!!!!!!!!! If everyone starts taking things from the ocean we won't have a "public" reef left for us and our kids. Please everyone just buy coral from reliable lfs and online companies. Don't take the job in your own hands. THANKS!!!
 
dr reef

dr reef

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Doesn't bang moniter threds, maybe bang could put out an info thred that stays on top so people could understand. It may not be illegal in other countries but in the US it is. It really doesnt matter if it is illegal or not. People shouldn't just take things out of the ocean. It causes ecosystem disaster.
 
shoreliner11

shoreliner11

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Although I do agree people should not take stuff out of the ocean the majority of people on the boards do not live in areas where this is possible. If everyone did this, yes there would be a problem but imo the effects are minimal for the very reason that most go to get stuff from their lfs. So its other countries reefs and ecosystems that are getting depleted or are going to have ecosystem disaster and not the U.S(aren't we caring...cough sarcasm). Which brings me to my next point AQUACULTURE!
 
tiggerguy

tiggerguy

Member
Ok first off how is it illegal to take stuff out of the ocean.. does this mean the tunafish can i bought was made illegaly no.. there are a few things that you can not take out.. but they are protected buy law or what not.. second taking stuff out of the ocean cost's money too.. you cant just decide oh i want some fish walk down to the beach and walk back home with the ones you want.. same goes for corals and sand and rocks. ok the sand and rocks might be alot easier then the corals and fish.. but in two days you might not have anything left in your tank anyways.. so if you want to take the chance he go for it.. as for ruining our reefs.. home many people can realy just go take stuff off of it.. take me for instance what it cost for me to just look at the stuff in the ocean.. (have not found anything worth risking my tank for yet) you figure the time i have to take off work the time it takes me to get there and the money to rent the stuff to go out explore the ocean it is close to 2-3 grand
I live in michigan buy the way. so hey if you live close to the ocean use it. but you take the risk.
 
dr reef

dr reef

Member
Aquaculture is a good step in saving species. In the thred I just wanted to say when aquarists try to break off a piece of coral or try getting a piece of coral from the ocean the do more harm then they know there doing. While trying to aquire that great looking piece of coral they see while scuba/snorkeling, they end up damaging a great deal of coral around them just to get that perfect piece. SO I say just buy the coral from a lfs or online ordering. Let the trained people farm for the corals.
Thanks
Here is a links to look at
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0%...8060%2C00.html
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsst...9669/story.htm
http://www.kencaldwell.com/cayman/laws.html
 
sweetreef

sweetreef

Active Member
man thats messed up what them three did taking all that:nope:Here in Oregons oceans people take from the tide pools all the time and there is no saying that you cant
 
bang guy

bang guy

Moderator
All I can say that Aquaculture will soon be the backbone of the hobby. There are many animals that are legal to harvest in the US if you have the proper license. Usually you just need a fishing licenase. Just be very aware about what's legal and what's not.
Personally I don't see a difference between legally harvesting coral yourself or buying them in a store. I see a huge benefit to buying aquacultured though, especially from a fellow hobbiest.
 
stuckinfla

stuckinfla

Active Member
Where do you think your LFS gets their inventory? Normal ppl with a license go diving catch fish and certain corals, and sell them to the store.
 
shawnts106

shawnts106

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If everyone starts taking things from the ocean we won't have a "public" reef left for us and our kids.
well.. we would, just nothing in it! LOL
I didnt know it was illegal either... so maybe these "people" didnt know too!
what kind of fishing licence do you need to have??? just a regular kind?
I would love to go and harvest some live rock from the ocean, and some corals too... and some macro algea... but I didnt want to do that unless I was allowed by law to do it!
I dont see a problem with taking things out of the ocean, if you do I think thats stupid, because companys that you buy from, like swf.com and your LFS get their stock from the ocean, and its harvested at alot more quantity than what you would harvest, they just charge you for it... I do admit some things like clownfish, gobies and some soft corals and some sps and lps corals are aquacultured... but not near at the same rate that the mothercolonys are collected!!!
just MY OPINION! so dont get all bent out of shape everybody! LOL
 
K

keeka333

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All i can say is.....your point really doesn't make sense...
your main point is that it damages the ecosytems by people taking stuff out of the ocean, but that's how your lfstore gets it's inventory. So, if you follow your original point of us damaging the ecosystems, i think you should be against the hobby altogether.
I have never taken anything out of the ocean and I see both sides of the story.
 
K

keeka333

Guest
I've also read somewhere that SOME people who catch the fish and sell to our lf stores cloud the water with cyanide to catch them easily...In my opinion i'd MUCH rather see us harvest our own stuff than see the ocean clouded with Cyanide!!!!
 
shawnts106

shawnts106

Member
So, if you follow your original point of us damaging the ecosystems, i think you should be against the hobby altogether.
Exactly!... wait! lol, no no im not.... I was making a point that if we take something out of the ocean.. its going to be less if a distributor would take something out of the ocean because they take things out in bulk... and most of it does die before they can sell it or dies soon after.. thus minimizing the death factor.. get it?
oh sometimes only a teddy bear can understand!
 
K

keeka333

Guest
No, I don't get it. What you're saying just doesn't make any sense to me.
oh well. we can all have our opinions!:yes:
 
whatsmells

whatsmells

Member
I think you are all making good points, my question is that dr reef keeps pushing us all towards our lfs for product instead of the ocean. but how do you really know that your lfs is as honest as the next. you could easily be supporting a business who harvests from the ocean and could also be using cyinide to do it as well? the simple fact of joe blow hitting the water every so often and taking star fiish or blue tang or two vs bad guy lfs hitting the water and dumping chemicals that forever do more damage to a huge area of water (and kill hundreds of fish that they dont even take) are two completely different stories.:happy: :happy:
 
shawnts106

shawnts106

Member
Well... you know when you think something and you just cant put it into words... that is one of those times !LOL!!!
yeah, too back bangs lagoons not open to the public... if that was the only "ocean" left on earth, he would have some serious problems!!!.. not only with reefers breaking into his house all the time but also LFS trying to make a living LOL!
 
thangbom

thangbom

Active Member
well first things frst... we are allowed to take stuff out of the ocean itself w/a licens... just not everything we think we could... like we can catch fish and starfish to put in out tank for u can do the very same w/a fishing rod and bring home to eat or in our case put in our fish tank... however.. u cant take any and everything out of the ocean like a peice of live rock... that there my friends is totaly illegal.. i dont know of n e where that would allow u to take a chunk of L R out of the ocean unless it was a 3rd world nation.. L R takes way way too long to develope for some 1 w/ a hammer to whack a peice off to bring home.. (think about the time it take these lilttle worm to eat and drill all these hole in the rock and for a coral to grow and die off to make these lr) anyhow .... soo the last qeustion is.. where do we got our L R from??.. well 'saposaly' they are havested from the shores close to reefs that has been broken apart and washed on shore by waves... then collected by people.. sold to LFS then sold to us... y do u think it's so expensive?? i mean we are buying rock by the LB......ROCK!!!!! it's cuzz it's rare... or rare enough..cuzz if people can just hammer a chunk from the great barrier reef... heck.. theres soo much there it aught to be free..
 
sammiefish

sammiefish

Member
Maybe as a student of marine biology you will learn something about conservation and management.... It is indeed a good idea to be wise in our collection habits.
I posted this a while back..... I cant resist posting it again!!!
The following info is from the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission .link
The following are summarized recreational harvesting regulations for popular tropical-ornamental aquarium species.
License Requirement: A Florida recreational saltwater fishing license (resident or non-resident, whichever is applicable).
Closed Seasons: None.
Closed Areas: The harvest of these species is generally allowed wherever recreational fishing is allowed. However, the harvest of marine life species or the use of the gear allowed to take these species may be limited or prohibited in state or federal parks, national wildlife refuges, and portions of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. Interested persons should contact those park areas for further information.
Prohibited Species: All harvest is prohibited of the following species:
Live rock, Bahama starfish (Oreaster reticulatis), longspine urchin (Diadema antillarum), Venus sea fan (Gorgonia flabellum), common sea fan (Gorgonia ventalina), any hard or stony coral (Order Scleractinia), or any fire coral (Genus Millepora).
Allowable Harvesting Gear:
* Hand Collection.
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"Hand held net," means a landing or dip net, except that a portion of the bag may be constructed of clear plastic material, rather than mesh.
*
"Barrier net," also known as a "fence net," means a seine used beneath the surface of the water by a diver to enclose and concentrate tropical fish and which may be made of either nylon or monofilament.
*
"Drop net," means a small, usually circular, net with weights attached along the outer edge and a single float in the center, used by a diver to enclose and concentrate tropical fish.
*
"Slurp gun" means a self-contained, handheld device that captures tropical fish by rapidly drawing seawater containing such fish into a closed chamber
 
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