Black Argonite Is magnetic??????

flower

Well-Known Member

Cranberry .. I think if there is metal shavings in the OP sand, what you said makes good sense as to how that could happen.
Spanko, I have to ask...I am not the smartest person, so be nice ...but what does an electric charge have to do with a magnet? I understand that sand can be chearged but that dosn't sound like it would make it attach to a magnet.
Ocean sand is tiny ground up coral and rock the size of salt crystals, heated, sand becomes glass, I am not even sure if glass can be made from ocean sand, but desert sand for sure. That is about my limit on sand knowledge.
 

spanko

Active Member
"Objects static electrical charges will attract. Objects with like static electrical charges will repel each other. If one object has a buildup of electrical charges and another object is neutral, the charged object will be attracted to the neutral one."
You've done this before. Rub a ballon in your hair, build up a static charge and stick it to the wall. Rub a comb through your hair, put if near some small scraps of paper and watch the paper stick to the comb. I am just wondering if there is something like this going on with the OP's sand and magnet cleaner.
To tell you the truth I am probably way off base, but it is neat to discuss it anyway.
 

spanko

Active Member
Thanx Renee, don't know that it proves or disproves anything here but something else to file back there in the archives of things I may never need again!!!!
 

pezenfuego

Active Member
Well you are rubbing the magnet and the glass. Maybe there is such a small static electric charge that only the smallest of things could possibly be attracted. Lets think about small things here...
Well there is a grain of salt, a grain of rice, and oh what is this? A grain of sand?
Well I don't know if this could be the reason but imo, to me it makes more sense than the magnetic theory.
Anyway, thanks to the OP for a very cool thread.
 

katsafados

Active Member
A magnet works because one sides possitivly charged and one sides negativly charged right? So what if the sand became charged through shifting around (little sand grains rubbing against other sand grains), and now the sands negativly charghed lets say and the mag float part thats in the tank is positivly charged. You got an attraction! %% Then with the SW it increased the charge sp it was that much stronger, since SW has free floating Ions in it from the salt which can carry the charges better.
No expert though. My idea of what might be hapening!
 

bang guy

Moderator
I'm not familiar with the concept of static electricity in saltwater. I can see how the entire tank could take on a charge if it's not grounded but I can't comprehend how a small part of a saltwater tank can be charged differently than other parts of the same tank.
IMO the iron in the grains stick to the magnet in water because the relative density is lower so they can rise easier in water.
 

cranberry

Active Member
So we all agree it could be something other that metals being attracted to a magnet, which is all I was ever saying. It's only speculation at this point what the actual phenomena is....
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Katsafados
http:///forum/post/3092750
Its jebus!
If it was metal it would have messed up the tank by now.
Really cool info, I wish now I had payed better attention in school...but as to messing up the tank... how long does a metal have to be in there and begin to break down before problems are noticed?
 

katsafados

Active Member
I dont know

But I must imagine that small slivers of metal would rust pretty fast! Specially since there most likely wouldnt be any coating on it for rust.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Katsafados
http:///forum/post/3092761
I dont know

But I must imagine that small slivers of metal would rust pretty fast! Specially since there most likely wouldnt be any coating on it for rust.
Very good point
 

dingus890

Member
This is very interesting. From what I have heard, many natural rocks have a natural static energy in them. Which I find very cool. I never knew this about Black sand though.
 

cranberry

Active Member
It actually can take awhile or may never show detectable issues. I had a screw rust in my tank... it was a small one. I never saw any problems.
I emailed them.
 

cranberry

Active Member
Hi Renee!
Both the Indo Pacific and Hawaiian are natural basaltic black sands exactly as found in the Pacific Rim and other fringe reef environments. As this is the real thing, the grains contain basaltic minerals including magnetite. This is the mineral that has enabled scientists to date the ocean floor, and confirm sea floor spreading and plate techtonics the two greatest geological discoveries of the last century! Magnetite is an iron bearing mineral. In fact, black basaltic rock contains a full suite of exotic minor and trace metal bearing minerals many of them critical for life processes. Since the solubility of these minerals is very low, these metals are never released into the water toxic quantities, yet they are present to be utilized by living creatures that must have access to them (a good thing). Some grains may also stick to a magnet (not as good). I especially like the products because it is an absolute necessity for an authentic recreation of the environment where much of our sea life comes from ( Indonesia , Bali, Sulawesii , Hawaii , Japanese Islands , Sumatra, Pacific Central America, many Caribbean Islands and other locations) and I like the trace element content but I try to avoid getting it on the magnets. I want to stress that there are no iron particle impurities rusting in the substrate! Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify this.
Sincerely,
Rick Greenfield
I figured, why speculate when we could ask.....
 

aquaguy24

Active Member
LOL I'm just reading up on this debate. Wanna see wat response u get after that letter from the caribsea guy. I get a sense that u love debates. LOL
 
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