Building my 56 gallon Column reef tank

btldreef

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I would attempt to raise it with simple water changes first. Have you tested the pH of the water that you're adding before you add it?
My thought is that since the lights haven't been on much, the pH is still a little unsteady. I would wait a few days after you've got a good light cycle going and test morning, mid day and night and see if you see drastic swings, or if it raises on it's own. My thought is that it will, unless the water you're adding has the same pH or a lower pH.
 

monsinour

Active Member
Well, good news and bad news. Lets start with the good news. I caught this guy and got him out of the tank. It sure looks like a mantis to me:
 

 
and this shot. these are the best i can do with my friggen locked in auto mode for everything :
 

 
And now for the bad news. When we got back from my father-in-law's wedding, the floor was all wet. We blamed it on the dog originally. After getting the kids into bed and cleaning up the mess, it was an awful lot of liquid to be pee. It didnt smell like pee nor did it look like pee. We then turned our attention to the tank. Sure enough, there was less water in there than there should have been. From my best guess, what i think happened is that our cat used the litterbox down in the basement, which he hardly ever does, and it triggered the automatic cleaning motor. This put too much of a strain on the circut that the tank is on (yes there are some circuts in this house that span the basement, first floor, second floor, and attic) and caused the curcut to trip. This stopped the power to the tank, and the return became a very efficiant syphon. The sump was full when we got home and the floor behind the tank was sopping wet. I quickly unplugged everything and then fliped the breaker. I dried off the cords and slowly plugged them in one by one into the outlet to make sure all the devices worked. The PHs, heater, aqualifter, and return pump all worked fine. I neglected to dry off the surge protector/timer and when I plugged in that, all heck broke lose. So now we need a new surge protector/timer and I am a moron for trying to electrocute myself. LOL
 
All this could have been prevented if we just went and got the proper return with the holes drilled in it. I have tubing over the tank wall and I poked holes in the tube. Apparently these holes sealed back up and didnt work at all. Nice eh? So I took a bigger skewer, made larger holes, and will test this again once the batch of SW is finished brewing. It looks like the power was off for a while as the temp dropped from 80 to 79, and some of the water on the floor was dry. I think one of the ball coral pieces died in this, and yes, I am sad.
 
So now there is no point in testing the water as the lights were off for a period of time, the pumps werent pumping, and the water will have new added to it tomorrow, IF i can find the proper return at a LFS. There is a meeting for my local marine aquaruim club tomorrow at a LFS and I am hoping due to this, the LFS has ordered in some goodies. If I cant get the proper return, i will not be adding in the water and not starting the return pump nor the overflow. Someone tell me that this is not a problem in a predrilled tank. Someone tell me that in a predrilled tank, the drain is set at a specific level and kind of prevents you from draining too much and that the return is a simple pipe that once air is introduced, stops the syphon.
 
I am frustrated, tired, and angry about this. What is more upsetting is that I thought that i had this solved, but alas, I didnt. Never again, i say with conviction, but holding my breath for the next time.
 

monsinour

Active Member
It doesnt really matter as the shrimp died in the cup. It was acting funny in the tank and was far to easy to catch in a net. The water overlow and cold temps and no water movement and no lights probably didnt help the little guy either.
 
If it was a mantis, and it lived, wtf do I do with it? I can't, in good faith, kill it myself as my kids will not forgive me. I know I cant take it to the LFS as they will feed it to their fish.
 

sparty059

Active Member
As far as your overflow issue goes... have you tried to add gallon by gallon turn on the return and see if water flows properly? What I did when I started my tank out was add enough water to my tank that water went into my O/F in my tank and eventually fillup my skimmer section, and the return pipe started to slowly fill up some of my return water section in my sump. I added a little more here and there to the return section so it at least submerged my whole return pump. I then turned the pump on waited for it to get to the point where the pump would just about start to suck in air and I would cut power immediatly. While the pump was running, it would start to get my O/F working in my DT and it would push water into my skimmer section in my sump, but not enough water was in the system to have a steady flow pushing from the skimmer section through the baffles into the return section so I would add another gallon or two. Adding of the water would be when the power was cut because you know just exactly how much room you have to work with when your power fails. Once you add the gallon or two you flip power back on and do it all over again until it has a constant flow with no air being caught. I have about 3 or 4 inches of oppsie room in my whole sump if my power were to fail. My return pump has about 2 inches of water above it and I still have a good 3 or 4 more inches in that small return pump section that I can add water to and be sure that evaporation won't force air into the return pump. This is how I did it... and it worked out perfectly. Not a drop on the floor and when/if power cuts out, I can sleep worry free.
 
Just thought some of this advice might be helpful since I'm sure you don't want to pick up floor cleaning as one of your new hobbies too
 

monsinour

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/40#post_3310862
Just thought some of this advice might be helpful since I'm sure you don't want to pick up floor cleaning as one of your new hobbies too

My sump isnt that large to be able to do this. I have it worked out and I think i can find a proper return, smoething not hose based iwth a proper hole in it, at the local meeting tomorrow.
 
As far as floor cleaning, my wife's elderly dog has cushings. This dog pees on the kitchen floor atleast twice a day. All i ever do around here sometimes is clean the floor. Cleaning saltwater is far better than cleaning pee. It was actually a relief this evening when we determined it was saltwater and not pee. We felt so bad blaming the dog that she got a few treats as an appology.
 

sparty059

Active Member
Mind PMing me the URL of the sump you bought? I'm just curious about it. I saw a few pictures and it looks awesome.
 

btldreef

Moderator
Definitely looks like a baby mantis shrimp.
 
If you were to keep one, it would have to go in the sump, or it's own little tank. I would just return it to the LFS or see if anyone in a local reef club wanted it.
 
My concern is that you had one fall off the rock while it was still in the store and now you've also found one in your tank, and chances are, there's more. Keep your eyes open.
 
As for the hole in the return hose, it can't just be a puncture, it really needs to be a hole. I screw in dry wall screws into my return hoses about an inch below the water line, that's how I make my holes.
 

monsinour

Active Member
Well, I rearanged the rock in the tank to "stir" things up and to make different sides of the rock appear. I have tried to make as little hiding spots as possible. I am sure once the lights go off tonight, we will find more things. Once I was done "stirring" things up, I found what is to me the coolest thing evah! A baby feather duster must have fallen off of the rock and landed ontop of another rock right up front. I could sit and stare at that thing all day. Well i have actually. It is far too tiny to move right now. But, should I even attempt to move it into the sand bed? It is very tiny, like maybe half an inch long tube to top of feathers.
 
So if my lemon juice didnt work for 3 of the 4, and tweezers shouldn't be used, its time for the chemicals then. I would assume that if I do this wrong, the chemicals could kill things close to these guys if I squirt it wrong. How much is bottles of these things and what one will work better for multiple purposes?
 
The baby shrimp wasnt looking all that hot when we caught him. I basically just put the net behind him and slowly moved it until he was in the net. I would imagine it is possible if there were other shrimp in the tank, they would have been in as bad of shape as this one was. The Urchins dont seem to be effected by all the mishaps and poor water quality. Aren't shrimp more delicate than the urchins? How big could they get in a month?
 

monsinour

Active Member
Moving things around made a difference in finding life.
 
HOLY COW!!!!!!1!1111!!!!
 
I have a feather duster colony on the underside of a rock. There has to be 50 or so of these little guys under there. I now know where the little one that is by his lonesome fell from. I will try to get a pic of them all. OMG what am I to do with all these. Right now, as small as they are it wont take much to feed them. As they grow I know i wont have enough in the tank to sustain them. what do I do? How would I get their tubes off the rock without killing them?
 
edit : OMG i found more of them. THere are a few that have fallen off and are in the sand already. There are more on the "base" rock. I really have no idea how to feed these things IF they all grow and dont perrish. Would marine snow work in feeding these guys? Apparently I might have to get some of that to feed the coral already in the tank. I have a few pics and a video to post. Give me some time.
 
Edit2: the video is 175 MB due to the quality. Can that go up on photobucket or youtube? the pictures came out all crappy due to the film on the inside of the tank glass. Gotta clean that off to get better pics,
 

meowzer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/40#post_3310925
 
 
So if my lemon juice didnt work for 3 of the 4, and tweezers shouldn't be used, its time for the chemicals then. I would assume that if I do this wrong, the chemicals could kill things close to these guys if I squirt it wrong. How much is bottles of these things and what one will work better for multiple purposes?
 
Get Joe's Juice....I think it is about $8 for a bottle. Comes with a syringe, and you just need a little directly in the anemone
 
I have not had one come back after using this, and I think (fingers crossed) I have gotten rid of all of mine
 
after your tank is ready for cuc (depending on what fish you want) get peppermint shrimp.....they eat aptasia....I can not keep them in my 54G cause I have a flame hawk..
 
never had aptasia until the peps were gone
 

monsinour

Active Member
I was planning on peppers in the tank and was debating on waiting on getting the chemicals until after the peppermints had their chance at a meal. I will try the lemon juice again when the missus gets home and we will also discuss the joe's juice.
 
Gonna try this video 2 ways. One way is a link to it - http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/tomjonessinger/?action=view&current=featherdusters005.mp4
 
the other will be to use the video insert the board has. the board tool wont work.
 
 

monsinour

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/40#post_3310962
Where were the featherdusters????
Since they are so small it is hard to see. I focus in on the one at the very begining and then pan up to the underside of the rock where they all are. After the meeting today, I am getting one of those magnet cleaners to wipe the inside of the glass. Once the glass is clean, I am sure i can get a better pic and video.
 
edit: go full screen, the quality is fine.
 

monsinour

Active Member
It is just a temporary setup atm. Once I get the rest, I will make sure hwatever goes on top is there and there for good.
 
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