Bullying

[flower]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/394767/bullying/20#post_3513952
Well a im sure a large number of bangers start out as bullies. But here is what I have seen. Even if you take those kids out of schools and place them in other schools then a kid might be a little safer while they are at school. But when those same kids live in the same neighborhoods how to you prevent the bullying when school lets out?
Its the same mentality that thinking just because we pass more and more laws that things are bound to get better. Kids need structure, I get that. But I feel that a lot of what ive seen and heard being proposed isn't really solving very much. It just invites alterier issues to come into play. When a kid can be tossed out of school on a whim how does that benefit the rest of society?
I agree, you are IMO 100% right.
A mean street kid would not consider being kicked out of school a punishment, and that would just free them up to wreck havoc all day and night. The kids are indeed in danger just walking to and from school and the playgrounds are deadly areas, their neighborhoods are unsafe. Not to mention the drive by shootings where the gangs accidentally shoot grandma on the porch, or little Suzy riding her tricycle in front of her own home.
It isn't bullying that's happening on the streets of the cities, its gang activity, and it's a war zone. A "bully" is the jerk who is bigger, and takes your lunch money. That child can be kicked out of school and be punished. they are not evil kids, just a bully. A gang banger...like the situation I endured, that's a whole different level of mean.
I was lumping them all into the same ball of dough...but it was pointed out after all my ranting, that I was wrong. That's why I apologized, the solution and attitude towards a bully is very different then the unstoppable gang activity the inner city kids live with. They are attacked by rival gangs, and attacked if they won't join the gang...good kids are deadly targets, and it makes me sick to my stomach to think about it.
So indeed if a big kid wants your lunch money...you have to learn to stand up for yourself....and there is nothing wrong with having a big brother to help you do so....LOL...At least in the land of Mayberry RFD. Ah...it must have been awesome to grow up in such a place...I fear those days are long gone.

 

[2quills]

I disagree with the tossing out on a whim. But in my case, the students I know that were expelled had been warned multiple times and their parents were talked with multiple times. That is not a "whim", and most expulsions aren't off a whim. Remember, schools gain their funding by the number of students they have, so schools really don't want to throw kids out unless they have to......especially at the middle school and lower age ranges.
They must not have implemented this zero tollerence idea in your neighborhood yet. I believe they already have down here.
We had an incident last year where a student hung himself after being relentlessly bullied by a group of kids. Actually they were all football players at the local high school and had numerous complaints about them. They even had a name for themselves because they rolled around together like they were their own little gang. Even in this situation the parents or gardians of other kids tried to get the school to do something about it. But nothing changed so this kid hung himself.
It was a huge story down here in our own neighborhood. Lots of anti bullying protesting goingon at the school. The kids even started taunting the protesters by driving by and saying a bunch of crap. Some kind of scuffle broke out but the cops were there to intervene.
Not kicking the kids out in order to retain some funding could have been a contributor to why this problem got out of hand. So now folks are calling for zero tollerence because of it. Which is fine. But who decides where to draw the line? Because this too is power that is capable of being abused if it's a case of being a little bit too over protective.
I dont know the answeres but I do know that we cant control the environment that other peoples kids grow up or are raised in. I thik your best protection is educating your own kids in this matter because thats about the only thing that parents as individuals do have control over.

 

[crimzy]

Unfortunately the "zero tolerance policies" boasted about by so many schools are just hot air. The school that my client attends has a student handbook, zero tolerance policy, etc. It has meant nothing in the actual enforcement of the rules. Actually my client was suspended when he fought the bullies but the teachers allow the torment to continue in their presence for hours on end.
You can only protect or educate your kids so much but when they leave your supervision to go to school, the school has a burden. Standing up for yourself is fine, however when it's 1 on 4 or 5, it's a no-win situation.
I think if you hit the schools and/or parents in the pocketbook then some things may start to change. If any teacher, principal or other school official knowingly allows bullying to continue then he/she needs to be replaced.
The situation of the victim committing suicide is too common in modern society. These kids can't get help from anywhere and there is no escape. Who could be expected to survive like that?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///t/394767/bullying/40#post_3513982
Unfortunately the "zero tolerance policies" boasted about by so many schools are just hot air. The school that my client attends has a student handbook, zero tolerance policy, etc. It has meant nothing in the actual enforcement of the rules. Actually my client was suspended when he fought the bullies but the teachers allow the torment to continue in their presence for hours on end.
You can only protect or educate your kids so much but when they leave your supervision to go to school, the school has a burden. Standing up for yourself is fine, however when it's 1 on 4 or 5, it's a no-win situation.
I think if you hit the schools and/or parents in the pocketbook then some things may start to change. If any teacher, principal or other school official knowingly allows bullying to continue then he/she needs to be replaced.
The situation of the victim committing suicide is too common in modern society. These kids can't get help from anywhere and there is no escape. Who could be expected to survive like that?
Do you have real proof things came down as you have been told? I just find it hard to believe there are teachers stupid enough to sit and watch it in this day and age. I'd sue the teachers personally as well and the school and the parents

 

[crimzy]

You have to name the individuals to proceed with certain causes of action. However as long as the person was acting within the scope of employment then the municipality will pick up the defense.
As far as proof, it's very early in my matter. The bulk of evidence in the case will not be produced until the litigation is filed. However I am confident based on what I've seen and heard thus far that the allegations are true.

 

[2quills]

It wouldnt suprise me if that has happened at a Detroit public school. Those districts are loaded with fools at the top of the food chain who lie, cheat and imbezle money from the schools. Some of those teachers dont give a rats ass about anything.
I could go on and on about the stuff my mom has told me. Or the settlement that my aunt has won from their district when the crooks pushed her out of her job in the union for knowing too much.