Bush ready to start WWIII

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Who cares about the demographics of the military? I didn't say they were dumb or poor. ....
Actually you said:
Originally Posted by rudedog40
The only individuals who were actively joining the military prior to 9/11, were the high school kids that were conned by military recruiters into thinking they could get a free education with little or no effort, or the people with dead-end jobs that were enticed into the Reserves for the same college education opportunities...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
.... If your military is doing such a great job with their retention and recruiting goals, why are so many Reservists getting deployed?....
Primarily due to President Clinton cutting the army from 18 divisions to 10... it has nothing to do with issues of recruitment. It has to do with the army being dramatically shrunk under Clinton's presidency.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
.... I play golf with Colonels, Majors, and Captains every other week. They clearly know my views about this war, and don't disagree or argue with me about them. Believe me, I know more about the military than you ever will.
Great; at your next T-off why don't you float out there the comment that the only soldiers signing up to go to Iraq are the "Rambo types" who just want to kill some Iraqi's.
After you pick your butt up off the ground come back here and post whether it was a Colonel, Major, or Captain that knocked your teeth in first...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Great; at your next T-off why don't you float out there the comment that the only soldiers signing up to go to Iraq are the "Rambo types" who just want to kill some Iraqi's.
After you pick your butt up off the ground come back here and post whether it was a Colonel, Major, or Captain that knocked your teeth in first...
You don't really believe the line of crap this guy is spewing do you? Sounds to me like if he really did get drafted during Nam he is still holding a grudge for the haircut

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Who cares about the demographics of the military? I didn't say they were dumb or poor. Just because you make $40K a year, doesn't mean you didn't go in with this 'I want to shoot some Iraqis' attitude. Besides, those numbers and specs are just for the active duty military. Go find the numbers and percentages of the soldiers (active duty vs. voluntary or Reservist) that are currently deployed in Iraq. You'll probably find that the biggest percentage is RESERVISTS. These individuals had no intentions in making the military a career. Many of them did one or two stints in active duty, then got out. Mainly to avoid being deployed if a war were to break out, or to get money for college. To maintain their retirement status, or increase their retirement pay, they joined the Reserves. Again, they didn't join with some hope of going into a war.
You know you truly scare me. Where do you get your information from really? You honestly think ANYONE hopes for war? You honestly think all those re-enlisting are your so called "Rambo-types"? In the first quarter of 2007 87% of those that would be getting out (RESERVIST AND ACTIVE-DUTY) decided to re-enlist. So you actually believe 87% of the military is Rambo types? Maybe you should stop golfing with colonels and try talking with them some other than the occasional "fore".
Originally Posted by rudedog40
Don't put a twist on my comparison between now and WWII. The point I'm making is the majority of Americans don't care for this war, and wouldn't get involved unless they were forced to do so (i.e Darth's dream of a draft). If Americans did care, they would be going to recruiting stations in droves asking where to sign up. If your military is doing such a great job with their retention and recruiting goals, why are so many Reservists getting deployed?
Ok, pay attention...where did I ever say draft? I said service to our government I do believe. and what is wrong with serving your country? I find it hilarious that so many expect the country to provide, social programs, healthcare, defense, welfare, and YOU feel you should not give anything in return. I am sorry, if you want free healthcare you should give back, I say in the form of some service to your country, be it military or police, or fire fighting, what have you, but some sort of service. You are a typical coddled, pandering American that wants everything for free and have no responsibilities.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Believe me, I know more about the military than you ever will.
That is hilarious considering My family is all military except myself (and no it wasn't Marines but what did it matter which branch I tried to join, you implying Marines are "rambo-type" heartless killers that love war?).
Father in law-air force--Volunteers at VA and is Captain in the honor guard
Father-army--he is 58 and even with his neck pain that is constant tried to re-enlist. He couldn't so he volunteers at the VA instead.
Grandfather-Navy pilot--recently died but flew more mission in WW2 than most pilots.
Cousin air force pilot
Uncle air force pilot
Uncle navy
Brother- army
cousin--navy
cousin marine
3 friends marines
2 friends army
1 friend navy
You frickin' cracks about rambo types are truly starting to piss me off as you are insulting and disrespecting the service of my own Family.
EVERYONE IN MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS ACTIVELY SERVING IN THE THEATRE OF WAR DO SO BECAUSE THEY FEEL WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS RIGHT AND THEY SEE THE FACES OF THOSE PEOPLE REGULARLY AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT AND SECURE FOR THOSE PEOPLE! To them it is a worthy cause and if their sacrifice can better the lives of others in the end and future generations to come then it will all be worth it.
So just because you "golf" with a colonel, major, General, or captains does not mean YOU UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY OF A SOLDIER AND WHY THEY RE-ENLIST.
I don't mind debates and opposite viewpoints ever in these discussions, but when you dishonor the service of those with their boots on the ground, That irritates me. Kindly go play your Barbara Streisand records now and come back when you have some respect for those that are doing the job.
And yes I did compare the number of deaths there to here. all death is sad, but when you look at the numbers, the fact that our soldiers have the same percentage to die here in the U.S. in accidents/homicides as over there in a war zone is an AMAZING statististic and shows just how well they are performing their job.I NEVER said normal deaths here, I meant vehicle accidents/homicides, But you can't understand that, because you hate everything BUSH and allow that to cloud your vision and judgement. You hate everything about the war and allow that to cloud your judgement....You feed into doom and gfloom instead of EVER looking at the good side of the issue.
And while I am thinking about...you are profitting off this war and the blood of our boys yourself....from the sounds of it, you are no different than those that do this for "oil".

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
. If your military is doing such a great job with their retention and recruiting goals,
Active duty recruiting. All of the active duty services met or exceeded their recruiting goals for the month of September. The Navy’s recruiting goal was 4,818, and it enlisted 4,886 (101 percent). The Marine Corps’ goal was 3,694, and it recruited 3,738 (101 percent). The Air Force goal was 2,682, and it recruited 2,771 (103 percent). The Army's goal was 8,365, and it recruited 8,710 (104 percent).
Active duty retention. The Army, Air Force and Marine Corps exceeded their annual retention goals. The Navy achieved 91 percent of its mid-career goal.
Reserve forces recruiting. Three of the six reserve components, Army Reserve, Marine Corps Reserve and Air Force Reserve, exceeded their September recruiting goals. The latter two also exceeded their goals for the fiscal year.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
You frickin' cracks about rambo types are truly starting to piss me off as you are insulting and disrespecting the service of my own Family.
So just because you "golf" with a colonel, major, General, or captains does not mean YOU UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY OF A SOLDIER AND WHY THEY RE-ENLIST.
Most high ranking miltary officials would never tolerate such a disrespectful attitude from some nickle and dimer "contractor". He'd be on the corner with the contract yanked.
There is a possibility he is simply typing repsonses to yank chains.
Think about it...and you'll probably arrive at the same conclusion as I

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
And while I am thinking about...you are profitting off this war and the blood of our boys yourself....from the sounds of it, you are no different than those that do this for "oil".

In general terms, I'm not certain how individuals that would profit from the war yet oppose same reconcile the two positions. Some might say as the American Dream once did...It's shameful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0sFhGM83VE

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Looks like Bush is 'd@man the torpedos" and wanting to leave WWIII as his finally legacy before we get him out of office. Was reading the paper this morning, and apparently his final statement during his Mid-East trip, is he wants to sell the Saudis the capability of allowing standard weapons to be converted into precision-guided 'smart' bombs. His logic is that it will limit Iran's clout in the Gulf. He's wanting to give very dangerous technology to a country that's never been cooperative with the US. Bush says he wants to give them this technology so "Saudi Arabia can support the peacemaking efforts between the Israelis and Palestinians". He also doesn't want to limit the sales to the Saudis. The deal could potentially transfer some $30 billion worth of military hardware to six Persian Gulf nations (Saudi, Egypt, Israel, and three others). All this in an effort to isolate Iran. No it's called, "Let's give the opposing forces to Iran high technology weapons, so they can start blowing Iran to pieces." Of course Iran will retaliate, and the fight will begin. Naturally the U.S. will have to go into the fracus for "peacekeeping measures". That's what Bush has been pushing for the last six months. He can't get Congress to approve any type of involvement or attack against Iran, so he does the next best thing. Give Iran's enemies the weapons to start a war for him, then sit back and wait for the cry for help. The U.S. of couse will have to get involved. One of these nations will obviously have WMD's or have terroristic ties...
Funny.
WWIII started when Jimmy Carter allowed the Mullahs in Iran to take over the country and give them strength and show the weakness of the west.
If you want to debate history...WWII didn't start in Pearl Harbor...it started in the 1920's... You have to plot your course through history.
So with that said. Peanut Farmer Carter essentially started WWIII

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
That is hilarious considering My family is all military except myself (and no it wasn't Marines but what did it matter which branch I tried to join, you implying Marines are "rambo-type" heartless killers that love war?).
Father in law-air force--Volunteers at VA and is Captain in the honor guard
Father-army--he is 58 and even with his neck pain that is constant tried to re-enlist. He couldn't so he volunteers at the VA instead.
Grandfather-Navy pilot--recently died but flew more mission in WW2 than most pilots.
Cousin air force pilot
Uncle air force pilot
Uncle navy
Brother- army
cousin--navy
cousin marine
3 friends marines
2 friends army
1 friend navy
You frickin' cracks about rambo types are truly starting to piss me off as you are insulting and disrespecting the service of my own Family.
EVERYONE IN MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS ACTIVELY SERVING IN THE THEATRE OF WAR DO SO BECAUSE THEY FEEL WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS RIGHT AND THEY SEE THE FACES OF THOSE PEOPLE REGULARLY AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT AND SECURE FOR THOSE PEOPLE! To them it is a worthy cause and if their sacrifice can better the lives of others in the end and future generations to come then it will all be worth it.
So just because you "golf" with a colonel, major, General, or captains does not mean YOU UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY OF A SOLDIER AND WHY THEY RE-ENLIST.
I don't mind debates and opposite viewpoints ever in these discussions, but when you dishonor the service of those with their boots on the ground, That irritates me. Kindly go play your Barbara Streisand records now and come back when you have some respect for those that are doing the job.
And yes I did compare the number of deaths there to here. all death is sad, but when you look at the numbers, the fact that our soldiers have the same percentage to die here in the U.S. in accidents/homicides as over there in a war zone is an AMAZING statististic and shows just how well they are performing their job.I NEVER said normal deaths here, I meant vehicle accidents/homicides, But you can't understand that, because you hate everything BUSH and allow that to cloud your vision and judgement. You hate everything about the war and allow that to cloud your judgement....You feed into doom and gfloom instead of EVER looking at the good side of the issue.
And while I am thinking about...you are profitting off this war and the blood of our boys yourself....from the sounds of it, you are no different than those that do this for "oil".

My son is one of those bloodthirsty types who joined a couple years ago so he could play Rambo. He runs a water purification plant

I guess he does have to squeeze off a few rounds at the range every so often just in case.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Most high ranking miltary officials would never tolerate such a disrespectful attitude from some nickle and dimer "contractor". He'd be on the corner with the contract yanked.
There is a possibility he is simply typing repsonses to yank chains.
Think about it...and you'll probably arrive at the same conclusion as I
One thing I've noticed about the anti war veterans (the real ones) is that they don't attack or slander the troops. Most of them wont even make personal attacks on Bush, they slam his policies. Even the ones that do get nasty about Bush don't talk crap about soldiers.
That's not to say someone who did serve wouldn't slam the troops. Just not too many people around with that level of character.

 

[m0nk]

Originally Posted by reefraff
One thing I've noticed about the anti war veterans (the real ones) is that they don't attack or slander the troops. Most of them wont even make personal attacks on Bush, they slam his policies. Even the ones that do get nasty about Bush don't talk crap about soldiers.
That's not to say someone who did serve wouldn't slam the troops. Just not too many people around with that level of character.
Yeah, I'm with you here. I can't imagine someone who's been in the service (drafted or volunteer) slamming fellow servicemen/women. Especially war vets...
Anyway, I'm surprised to see this thing still going. It's getting to the point where the OP occasionally just stops in to stoke the flames a bit.

 

[notsonoob]

Originally Posted by m0nk
Yeah, I'm with you here. I can't imagine someone who's been in the service (drafted or volunteer) slamming fellow servicemen/women. Especially war vets...
Anyway, I'm surprised to see this thing still going. It's getting to the point where the OP occasionally just stops in to stoke the flames a bit.
THINK OF THAT FAT PIG JOHN MURTHA....
Traitor to his own uniform

Heres to his deformation lawsuit!!!!
John Kerry... calling the troops, thugs, thieves and rapists. That rhetoric died out in the war that made him so called famous...
There are soldiers that turn on the troops and it is sickening.
You can blame the generals, you can blame The President, but you don't blame the volunteers on the ground!

 

[m0nk]

Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
THINK OF THAT FAT PIG JOHN MURTHA....
Traitor to his own uniform

Heres to his deformation lawsuit!!!!
John Kerry... calling the troops, thugs, thieves and rapists. That rhetoric died out in the war that made him so called famous...
There are soldiers that turn on the troops and it is sickening.
You can blame the generals, you can blame The President, but you don't blame the volunteers on the ground!
Yeah, you will definitely see some bad eggs in any group of people, and those bad eggs can sometimes do really bad things, but Kerry went a little far with his generalized defamation, imo.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
That is hilarious considering My family is all military except myself (and no it wasn't Marines but what did it matter which branch I tried to join, you implying Marines are "rambo-type" heartless killers that love war?).
Father in law-air force--Volunteers at VA and is Captain in the honor guard
Father-army--he is 58 and even with his neck pain that is constant tried to re-enlist. He couldn't so he volunteers at the VA instead.
Grandfather-Navy pilot--recently died but flew more mission in WW2 than most pilots.
Cousin air force pilot
Uncle air force pilot
Uncle navy
Brother- army
cousin--navy
cousin marine
3 friends marines
2 friends army
1 friend navy
You frickin' cracks about rambo types are truly starting to piss me off as you are insulting and disrespecting the service of my own Family.
EVERYONE IN MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS ACTIVELY SERVING IN THE THEATRE OF WAR DO SO BECAUSE THEY FEEL WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS RIGHT AND THEY SEE THE FACES OF THOSE PEOPLE REGULARLY AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT AND SECURE FOR THOSE PEOPLE! To them it is a worthy cause and if their sacrifice can better the lives of others in the end and future generations to come then it will all be worth it.
So just because you "golf" with a colonel, major, General, or captains does not mean YOU UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY OF A SOLDIER AND WHY THEY RE-ENLIST.
I don't mind debates and opposite viewpoints ever in these discussions, but when you dishonor the service of those with their boots on the ground, That irritates me. Kindly go play your Barbara Streisand records now and come back when you have some respect for those that are doing the job.
And yes I did compare the number of deaths there to here. all death is sad, but when you look at the numbers, the fact that our soldiers have the same percentage to die here in the U.S. in accidents/homicides as over there in a war zone is an AMAZING statististic and shows just how well they are performing their job.I NEVER said normal deaths here, I meant vehicle accidents/homicides, But you can't understand that, because you hate everything BUSH and allow that to cloud your vision and judgement. You hate everything about the war and allow that to cloud your judgement....You feed into doom and gfloom instead of EVER looking at the good side of the issue.
And while I am thinking about...you are profitting off this war and the blood of our boys yourself....from the sounds of it, you are no different than those that do this for "oil".

I can see where your animosities come from. Practically everyone in your family got to play soldier at one point in their life, and you missed out because of a medical condition. Don't take your chip on your shoulder about that out on me.
Profiting from this war?

Dude, you don't have a clue. What I do for the military has probably saved more lives over there than you can imagine. You don't know what my people do, nor can I tell you. But believe me, it ain't just for profit.
Why does calling hard-core soldiers Rambo tick you off? Rambo was the ultimate soldier and fighting machine. He loved his country and would do anything to protect it. But he also didn't have any problems blowing everything and anyone in his sights away if it got in the way of completing his objective. I think you need to get your Sylvester Stallone movies straight. Maybe you're thinking of Rocky - "Yo, Adrienne!"
I have worked on over 10 military facilities over the last 30 years at one point in time of my career. I have met all types of individuals who made the military their lifetime career. Many of them were as passionate about their jobs as all of you who continue to slam my viewpoints. They had no qualms about getting deployed, because 'that's part of what they signed up for'. However, I knew just as many (and still do), that don't have those beliefs. They joined the military as a simple career opportunity. It gave some the capability to learn how to fly, get a full college education, and a lifetime career as an airline pilot all on the government's nickel. Others got their medical degrees in Optometry, Radiology, and Pathology, again, all thanks to our tax dollars. But none of them enjoyed the thought of having to leave their jobs, medical practices, or families, and risk their lives for a cause they don't believe in. Yea, that's right. Just because they spent 15 - 20 years in the military, doesn't mean they have to believe or agree in all the policies that go with the job. Do you agree with every single thing your boss or manager has you do in your profession? Go work on a military base sometime. Walk around and interact with all the personnel that work there. You would be surprised how many of them disagree about being in this war, or any war we've been in over the last 20 years.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Primarily due to President Clinton cutting the army from 18 divisions to 10... it has nothing to do with issues of recruitment. It has to do with the army being dramatically shrunk under Clinton's presidency.

Man journey, you really need to get over Clinton. You rail me for dissing Bush, but I've got nothing over you and your distaste for Clinton. You want to blame the guy for everything that's happened in this world for the last 15 years. He been out of office now for over 8 years. Was Dubya so inept in his job he couldn't fix all of Clinton's screwups in that timeframe? Especially since he had Congress in his back pocket. After all, it was a Republican majority, and they'd vote in any policy he threw at them.
Maybe you should blame Bush Sr. for your recruitment woes. He's the one that drug us through the Persian Gulf War. After that debacle, do you think anyone was going to go run down to a recruiting office and join? You like to contradict you numbers. First you tell me that the retention and recruitment rates have been stable for the last several years, but then state they had shrunk (all because of Clinton of course). Which one is it?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
I can see where your animosities come from. Practically everyone in your family got to play soldier at one point in their life, and you missed out because of a medical condition. Don't take your chip on your shoulder about that out on me.
Profiting from this war?

Dude, you don't have a clue. What I do for the military has probably saved more lives over there than you can imagine. You don't know what my people do, nor can I tell you. But believe me, it ain't just for profit.

Didn't bother with the rest of the post.
Thanks for your views and your "service" Benedict Arnold. "Play soldier"....yet another demeaning term of the service performed by our military. You were never a soldier and you don't know a single colonel much less a mess hall cook.
You own a private business supposedly, you can explain the basics of what you do and some simple form of how you do it. Yet you won't. I bet you won't even give a business name.....
You fabricate information to try and support your offensive views.
Have a nice day, Go play some golf with a General.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Maybe you should blame Bush Sr. for your recruitment woes. He's the one that drug us through the Persian Gulf War. After that debacle, do you think anyone was going to go run down to a recruiting office and join? You like to contradict you numbers. First you tell me that the retention and recruitment rates have been stable for the last several years, but then state they had shrunk (all because of Clinton of course). Which one is it?

Persian Gulf Debacle? Where did you get your education? The gulf war was the most successful campaign in our nation's history, the fewest casualties with the largest success in the shortest time frame. Debacle?
Clinton shrunk the size of the military during his Terms. Follow me here, it isn't hard to understand. Bush came in and received a Military that had been downsized for 8 years. CURRENT recruitment goals are being met. Get it?

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Didn't bother with the rest of the post.
Thanks for your views and your "service" Benedict Arnold. "Play soldier"....yet another demeaning term of the service performed by our military. You were never a soldier and you don't know a single colonel much less a mess hall cook.
You own a private business supposedly, you can explain the basics of what you do and some simple form of how you do it. Yet you won't. I bet you won't even give a business name.....
You fabricate information to try and support your offensive views.
Have a nice day, Go play some golf with a General.
Never a soldier? Yea, they pretty much ignored us Vietnam vets. That was one 'war' that got no respect. When we came home, there wasn't any fanfare like you saw after WWII. They just wanted us to go away. Read today's paper. They're treating the injured and disabled from this war the same way:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...01-19-13-31-38